"We did not leave anything out of this Book, then all will be gathered before their Lord [for judgement]. (Qur'an 6:38)"
G: I don't think it gives positive support, they aren't even mentioned or implied. And in order to harmonize it you have to qualify "anything" to a certain degree... ...that's what you are claiming because of the Bahai writings. All I'm saying is that the particular passage in the Quran doesn't say that.
M: There is no need to mention them directly in this verse, since their merit stands on their Own persons and their Own writings. They have reproduced texts equal to the Revelation of the Qur'an. After this is accepted, then Qur'an 6:38 becomes clear.
M: The Christian-Islam dialogue perfectly parallels this phenomenon. The Bible does not directly name Muhammad as the 'Comforter' to the Christian's satisfaction. It is the Prophet Muhammad's life and Revelation that first prove who he is. After the proof for Muhammad is solidified based on his own merits, it is clear as Aquafina to the Muslim that the 'Comforter' is a reference to Muhammad.
Gilberto: Yes. I actually thought the Bahai writings agreed on this point. Don't the Bahai writings affirm that Muhammad is the Comforter promised by Jesus and/or the Prophet Like Unto Moses mentioned in Deuteronomy?
M: The Baha'i writings do agree that the 'Comforter' is Muhammad. But the Christians do not agree that Muhammad is the Comforter. The Christians are obviously mistaken. --- Similarly, although the Baha'i Writings say that the Lord of Qur'an 6:28 is Baha'u'llah, Muslims do not agree. Do you see that history is repeating itself?
G: I agree that people aren't always prepared to hear what God is saying. that is true. But what I'm saying is that those truths actually *are* in the Quran in some form. It's not left out. In particular, because the Quran itself says "We did not leave anything out of this Book"... Firstly I don't know of any Christians who have made this same argument with regard to Islam. There are many arguments I've heard from Christians against Islam (usually involving slandering Muhammad or Islamic teachings somehow) but I've never heard the above. Secondly, the argument I"m making doesn't say to reject future religious figures but just that they are unnecessary.
M: Let me lay it out for you graphically, so you can see where I am coming from, that you are making the same exact arguments against Baha'u'llah that Christians make against Prophet Muhammad.
Christian belief based on Christian Holy Text--> 'I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by Me.'
Christian conclusion--> Muhammad is wrong because there is no need for anyone after Christ.
Muslim belief based on Muslim Holy Text (Qur'an) --> 'We did not leave anything out of this Book'.
Muslim conclusion --> Baha'u'llah is wrong because there is no need for another book after Qur'an.
Gilberto: If the doctrine (that there is a "Days of the Lord" when each Manifestation comes) is true, I don't think there is anything which would make it hard to understand.
M: You yourself prove that it is hard to understand, since someone as smart as you cannot understand and accept it. :) I think that it is only the Qur'anic emphasis on the Oneness of God, over the last 1000 years, that makes this (that there is a "Days of the Lord" when each Manifestation comes) come into correct perspective. Without the Qur'an, people would think that the Manifestation is the incarnation of the Essence of God.
Gilberto: But you didn't explain anything. You just asserted it was true. But if
you look at the Quran something which is supposed to happen during judgement day is that they were supposed to be paid back for their deeds. So how did that happen when the Bab came? And then again with Bahaullah?
M: "Do men think when they say ‘We believe’ they shall be let alone and not be put to proof?"[Qur’an 29:2.]
Gilberto: Ok, that [J: Just as the explanations you give about the perfection of the Qur'an are convincing evidence for the Muslim but not the Christian and Jew.] doesn't make them right or me wrong.
M: Exactly my point. You have to base it on the Writings and Person of Baha'u'llah. Read the Writings of Baha'u'llah and tell me that they are not equal to the Revelation of the Qur'an.
"This Day is indeed an infinitely mighty Day, for in it the Divine Tree proclaimeth from eternity unto eternity, 'Verily, I am God. No God is there but Me.' " The Bayan 8:9
Gilberto: So in the Bahai writings the "divine tree" stands for Muhammad specifically?
M: Yes, ir a reference specifically to the Manifestation of God. Muhammad, the Bab, and Baha'u'llah are Manifestations of God in the Baha'i view, so this statement may be made by any one of them. The Manifestations of God are One. This specific Day is 'infinitely mighty' because *only now* does the Divine Tree proclaim this statement ['Verily, I am God. No God is there but Me.] clearly and boldly.
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