The Baha'i Studies Listserv Maitreya list >>> Baha'i Faith (Baha'u'llah, Leland Jensen if BUPC)1817-1892, 1914-1996 >>> Ahmadiyya Islam aka Qadianism (Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) 1835-1908 >> I Kuan Tao, Yi Guan Dao (Lu Zhongyi) 1849-1929 >>> Scientology (Lafayette Ronald Hubbard) 1911-1986 >>> Adi Dam (Adi Da Love Ananda Samraj) 1939-2008 >>> Mission of Maitreya, Eternal Divine Path (Joseph Emmanuel, Ahmad ibn >>> Abdullah) 1944- >>> Raëlism (Claude Vorilhon aka Raël) 1946- Kalki list >>> Baha'i Faith (Baha'u'llah, Leland Jensen if BUPC)1817-1892, 1914-1996 >>> Ahmadiyya Islam aka Qadianism (Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) 1835-1908 >>> Neo Gnosticism aka Universal Christian Gnostic Church (Samael Aun Weor) >>> 1917-1977 >>> Adi Dam (Adi Da Love Ananda Samraj) 1939-2008 >>> Interfaith Institute of Divine Love aka Kalki Avatar, Mahdi, Messiah, etc. >>> Foundation International (Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi) 1941-Disappeared, Some >>> say died in 2001 or 2003, So basically he's in Occultation >>> Mission of Maitreya, Eternal Divine Path (Joseph Emmanuel, Ahmad ibn >>> Abdullah) 1944- Both lists list >>> Baha'i Faith (Baha'u'llah, Leland Jensen if BUPC)1817-1892, 1914-1996 >>> Ahmadiyya Islam aka Qadianism (Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) 1835-1908 >>> Adi Dam (Adi Da Love Ananda Samraj) 1939-2008 >>> Mission of Maitreya, Eternal Divine Path (Joseph Emmanuel, Ahmad ibn >>> Abdullah) 1944- Maitreya only list >> I Kuan Tao, Yi Guan Dao (Lu Zhongyi) 1849-1929 >>> Scientology (Lafayette Ronald Hubbard) 1911-1986 >>> Raëlism (Claude Vorilhon aka Raël) 1946- Kalki only list >>> Neo Gnosticism aka Universal Christian Gnostic Church (Samael Aun Weor) >>> 1917-1977 >>> Interfaith Institute of Divine Love aka Kalki Avatar, Mahdi, Messiah, etc. >>> Foundation International (Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi) 1941-Disappeared, Some >>> say died in 2001 or 2003, So basically he's in Occultation
Sent from my iPad On May 1, 2013, at 15:21, Stephen Kent Gray <skg_z...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> Baha'i Faith (Baha'u'llah, Leland Jensen if BUPC)1817-1892, 1914-1996 >>> Ahmadiyya Islam aka Qadianism (Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) 1835-1908 >> I Kuan Tao, Yi Guan Dao (Lu Zhongyi) 1849-1929 >>> Scientology (Lafayette Ronald Hubbard) 1911-1986 >>> Neo Gnosticism aka Universal Christian Gnostic Church (Samael Aun Weor) >>> 1917-1977 >>> Adi Dam (Adi Da Love Ananda Samraj) 1939-2008 >>> Interfaith Institute of Divine Love aka Kalki Avatar, Mahdi, Messiah, etc. >>> Foundation International (Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi) 1941-Disappeared, Some >>> say died in 2001 or 2003, So basically he's in Occultation >>> Mission of Maitreya, Eternal Divine Path (Joseph Emmanuel, Ahmad ibn >>> Abdullah) 1944- >>> Raëlism (Claude Vorilhon aka Raël) 1946- >>> > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 30, 2013, at 20:21, Stephen Kent Gray <skg_z...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> I'll skip over Messiah, Christ, and Mahdi for Kalki and Maitreya, not to >> mention any Avatar and Buddha. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalki >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_avatar_claimants >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_buddha_claimants >> >> I also recommend look at older revisions of each and every Wikipedia link >> ever. It's to look up the pages over time because constant editing can leave >> interesting information off the current page. Also, I Kuan Tao and Yi Guan >> Dao are different transliterations of the same Chinese. >> >> To specify, here is an example set of lists below. >> >> Avatar >> Mata Amritanandamayi >> Meher Baba >> Mother Meera >> Sahaja Yoga (Nirmala Sristava) >> >> Kalki >> Adi Dam >> Ahmadiyya >> Baha'i Faith >> Foundation International >> Mission of Maitreya, Eternal Divine Path >> Neo Gnosticism >> >> Maitreya >> Adi Dam >> Ahmadiyya >> Baha'i Faith >> I Kuan Tao, Yi Guan Dao >> Mission of Maitreya, Eternal Divine Path >> Raëlism >> Scientology >> >> Both Kalki and Maitreya >> Adi Dam >> Ahmadiyya >> Baha'i Faith >> Mission of Maitreya, Eternal Divine Path >> >> Kalki only >> Foundation International >> Neo Gnosticism >> >> Maitreya only >> I Kuan Tao, Yi Guan Dao >> Raëlism >> Scientology >> >>> Adi Dam (Adi Da Love Ananda Samraj) >>> Ahmadiyya Islam aka Qadianism (Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) >>> Baha'i Faith (Baha'u'llah, Leland Jensen if BUPC) >> I Kuan Tao, Yi Guan Dao (Lu Zhongyi) >>> Kalki, Mahdi, Messiah, etc. Foundation International (Riaz Ahmed Gohar >>> Shahi) >>> Mission of Maitreya, Eternal Divine Path (Joseph Emmanuel, Ahmad ibn >>> Abdullah) >>> Neo Gnosticism aka Universal Christian Gnostic Church (Samael Aun Weor) >>> Raëlism (Claude Vorilhon aka Raël) >>> Scientology (Lafayette Ronald Hubbard) >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Apr 29, 2013, at 19:25, Stephen Kent Gray <skg_z...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> The Baha'i Studies Listserv >>> I should explain closer and in more depth. Religions and their scriptures >>> predict Messiahs, Christs, Paracletes, Holy Spirits, Mahdis, >>> Manifestations, Avatars, Kalkis, Buddhas, Maitreyas, etc. >>> >>> The Covenant requires investigations of all claimants. The Baha'i Faith >>> advertises it this way. Your scripture promises, insert term above here. >>> Baha'u'llah is a claimant to be, insert term above here. You should >>> investigate Baha'u'llah's claims because the Covenant requires you to. >>> Also, you should interpret prophecies symbolically to give leeway for >>> claimants. The same marketing technique can be used for all claimants and >>> produce a yes answer to them being who they claim to be. >>> >>> Why should Jews study the Baha'u'llah over all Jewish Messiah claimants? >>> Why should Christians study Baha'u'llah over all return of Jesus, >>> Paraclete, Holy Spirit, etc. claimants? >>> Why should Muslims study Baha'u'llah over all Mahdi claimants? >>> Why should Bayanis study Baha'u'llah over all Manifestation claimants? >>> Why should Hindus study Baha'u'llah over all Kalki claimants? >>> Why should Buddhists study Baha'u'llah over all Maitreya claimants? >>> >>> Side Note: Can one person be several of the above if not all? Can several >>> people if not all be the same things above? >>> >>> Adi Dam (Adi Da Love Ananda Samraj) >>> Ahmadiyya Islam aka Qadianism (Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) >>> Baha'i Faith (Baha'u'llah) >>> Islam (Muhammad) >>> Ismaili Islam aka Ismailism (Ali through Aga Khan IV, Shia Imams) >>> Kalki, Mahdi, Messiah, etc. Foundation International (Riaz Ahmed Gohar >>> Shahi) >>> Mission of Maitreya, Eternal Divine Path (Joseph Emmanuel, Ahmad ibn >>> Abdullah) >>> Neo Gnosticism aka Universal Christian Gnostic Church (Samael Aun Weor) >>> Raëlism (Claude Vorilhon aka Raël) >>> Scientology (Lafayette Ronald Hubbard) >>> >>> What do all the above have in common? Either they themselves or followers >>> on their behalf have claimed their Kalki status and Maitreya status. >>> Wikipedia links to articles about what Kalki and Maitreya prophecies they >>> fulfill and how. For example, one I inadvertently ran across was the >>> Maitreya boatsman prophecy on the bodhisattva page of Wikipedia. I have >>> studied Scientology since High School despite all the controversy >>> surrounding it. I also started studying Raëlism recently and have >>> downloaded several e books from the Web. Also, I mention the above because >>> I only felt like listing the prophecies of Indian Dharmic religions and not >>> Abrahamic ones. I have also seen a paper on the Baha'i Faith in India and >>> read about debates between Ahmadis and Baha'is. Explain why only Muhammad >>> and Baha'u'llah mentioned above are Kalki and Maitreya, while reffering >>> only to Hindu and Buddhist texts. >>> >>> I for one haven't combed through the Puranas and Sutras for each and every >>> prophecy to compare each claimant to, but have seen various pages >>> describing how each and every claimant above fulfills them. >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalki >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya >>> http://www.maitreya.org/ >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Apr 29, 2013, at 13:13, Stephen Kent Gray <skg_z...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The Baha'i Studies Listserv >>>> Hasan, any list of religions and spiritual traditions will show the almost >>>> infinite number of Faiths, Communities, Revelations, etc. that exist and >>>> are extant, not to mention extinct and reconstructed ones. >>>> >>>> Also, in the topic on post conventional morality, the topic was more on >>>> the variety of new religious movements and their impacts on morality in >>>> society. >>>> >>>> Hasan, you seem to hold that religions and spiritual traditions are all >>>> intrinsically higher than philosophies and thoughts. I have no opinion on >>>> the matter, but am familiar with various religions like Raëlism, >>>> Scientology, Neo Gnosticism, Adi Dam, Ahmadiyya aka Qadianism, Happy >>>> Science aka Kofuku no Kagaku, Sahaja Yoga, Rastafarianism, etc. I'm not >>>> that interested in them, but I know about them is the point. >>>> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_new_religious_movements >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_religious_movement >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Neopagan_movements >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paganism_(contemporary) >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UFO_religions >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_religion >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Buddha_claimants >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_avatar_claimants >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalki >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_messiah_claimants >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Messiah_claimants >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_claimed_to_be_Jesus >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mahdi_claimants >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Apr 27, 2013, at 15:32, Hasan Elías <hasanel...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The Baha'i Studies Listserv >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I read few messages of Stephen Gray, I think he trusts so much on >>>>> philosophers and thinkers. I think Kohlberg and others are nothing and >>>>> just vanishes when compared to Bahá'u'lláh's Revelation. >>>>> >>>>> The Guardian wrote: >>>>> "Firmness in the Covenant is their Fortress, their greatest protection, >>>>> and new Bahá'ís should be taught this before they are admitted into the >>>>> Community. In this way they will be given the spiritual strenght to >>>>> overcome the tests which are inevitable, and which strenghten the growth >>>>> of the Community and drive its roots deeper in the soil of faith". >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> Hasan >>>>> De: Stephen Kent Gray <skg_z...@yahoo.com> >>>>> Para: Baha'i Studies <bahai-st@list.jccc.edu> >>>>> Enviado: Miércoles, 24 de abril, 2013 8:10 P. >>>>> Asunto: Re: Against nature... >>>>> >>>>> The Baha'i Studies Listserv >>>>> Don C, read Eight Ways to Run the Country by Brian Patrick Mitchell. >>>>> From, this you sound like a populist which means nothing other than you >>>>> side with people, but is meaningless ideology wise. >>>>> >>>>> You rejection of progressivism and its ideals, tell me you aren't anti >>>>> archy and aren't pro kratos. This excludes you from being other anti >>>>> archy ideologies like radicalism and indivudalism. This also excludes you >>>>> from being other pro kratos ideologies like communitarianism and >>>>> neoconservatism. What's left? Paleolibertarianism? Paleoconservatism? >>>>> Theoconservatism? Populism? >>>>> >>>>> Read the book and review what you think of each and every chapter! >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 22, 2013, at 14:21, Don Calkins <don59...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The Baha'i Studies Listserv >>>>>> i consider myself an independent centrist. I don't fit neatly into any >>>>>> category. I am generally moderate, but have no compunction about >>>>>> adapting workable ideas from a variety of perspectives. What is most >>>>>> important, as Baha'u'llah has indicated, are the principles. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Think not that I have revealed a mere code of laws . . . . ." >>>>>> >>>>>> Don C >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 20, 2013, at 5:20 09PM, Stephen Kent Gray wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Don, which one of the eight ways are you? I'm Individualist, anti both >>>>>>> ie archy and kratos. You are pro archy, anti kratos or >>>>>>> Paleoconservative. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> He who believes himself spiritual proves he is not. >>>>> >>>>> __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-700297-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
