Great to hear, I guess, as it bulwarks the history a bit better. J. On 10/4/23 15:29, Smith, Desmond wrote: > > Hi John, > > You are not unique in noticing the apparently random (single) > switching of R.app windows in previous versions of Mac OS X (Ventura). > > I observed the same phenomenon, but simply lived with it, despite some > close calls in code destruction… I had to keep my wits about me! > > Cheers, > > Des > > *From: *John Helly <hel...@ucsd.edu> > *Date: *Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:24 PM > *To: *Simon Urbanek <simon.urba...@r-project.org>, r-sig-mac R > <r-sig-mac@r-project.org>, William Revelle <li...@revelle.net> > *Cc: *hel...@ucsd.edu <hel...@ucsd.edu>, Smith, Desmond > <dsm...@mednet.ucla.edu> > *Subject: *Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS 14 > > Not to beat a dead horse, but it may be that this is the mechanism for > the spontaneous switching I was experiencing in versions for a couple of > years. Don't know why I would be unique in that but it seems to have > been the case. > > Just adding the observation in case it provides a puzzle piece. The > underlying problem could go back a while (or not). > > J. > > On 10/4/23 15:19, Simon Urbanek wrote: > > I had a look and can reproduce it. What happens is that macOS Sonoma > is sending dozens of notifications that a window will close (even if > no window is being closed!) and since we move the focus to the next > window on close it happens every time macOS sends that notification > and thus many times in sequence. Unfortunately it is not clear why > Sonoma does it and it makes no sense, so some more digging will be > required. I have added a quick hack to simply not change focus on > close - it is not ideal as it doesn't address the (unknown) cause > which may have many more repercussions, but it lets you try it out (R > 4.3.x and arm64 only): > > > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://mac.R-project.org/test/Mac-GUI-R-4.3-arm64.dmg__;!!Mih3wA!CNN2MiHDOc9DrStpvPu_tkHU8gjcUU-emPX9aYBYLNFseaGMPyuLTuGqUDCCqH-yxi6nDLsZwkVQabKItvkXTv7JoVY$ > > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/mac.R-project.org/test/Mac-GUI-R-4.3-arm64.dmg__;!!Mih3wA!CNN2MiHDOc9DrStpvPu_tkHU8gjcUU-emPX9aYBYLNFseaGMPyuLTuGqUDCCqH-yxi6nDLsZwkVQabKItvkXTv7JoVY$> > > > > Do not use that build on other macOS systems that don't exhibit the > bug. There are still more known issues with Sonoma (e.g., you cannot > close an R document without saving), so avoid upgrading until it > stabilizes more. In the meantime I'll see if I can find out more about > the mysterious bugs in Sonoma. > > > > Cheers, > > Simon > > > > > >> On 2/10/2023, at 5:18 AM, William Revelle <li...@revelle.net> wrote: > >> > >> Dear Mac users of R and developers. > >> > >> > >> I recently updated to the Sonoma OS for Mac (14.0) and it has a > serious problem for graphics. > >> > >> plot(1:10) creates a graphic window but I can not switch back to > the console window using either command-1 or the mouse. > >> > >> Anybody else having this problem? Any suggestions for a patch? > >> > >> I am running a MacBook Pro with M1 Max. > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> (resent because of bad mail address) > >> William Revelle personality-project.org/revelle.html > >> Professor personality-project.org > >> Department of Psychology > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.wcas.northwestern.edu/psych/__;!!Mih3wA!CNN2MiHDOc9DrStpvPu_tkHU8gjcUU-emPX9aYBYLNFseaGMPyuLTuGqUDCCqH-yxi6nDLsZwkVQabKItvkX2z5bB_0$ > > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.wcas.northwestern.edu/psych/__;!!Mih3wA!CNN2MiHDOc9DrStpvPu_tkHU8gjcUU-emPX9aYBYLNFseaGMPyuLTuGqUDCCqH-yxi6nDLsZwkVQabKItvkX2z5bB_0$> > >> Northwestern University > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.northwestern.edu/__;!!Mih3wA!CNN2MiHDOc9DrStpvPu_tkHU8gjcUU-emPX9aYBYLNFseaGMPyuLTuGqUDCCqH-yxi6nDLsZwkVQabKItvkXGFP8HJg$ > > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.northwestern.edu/__;!!Mih3wA!CNN2MiHDOc9DrStpvPu_tkHU8gjcUU-emPX9aYBYLNFseaGMPyuLTuGqUDCCqH-yxi6nDLsZwkVQabKItvkXGFP8HJg$> > >> Use R for psychology personality-project.org/r > >> It is 90 seconds to midnight > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.thebulletin.org__;!!Mih3wA!CNN2MiHDOc9DrStpvPu_tkHU8gjcUU-emPX9aYBYLNFseaGMPyuLTuGqUDCCqH-yxi6nDLsZwkVQabKItvkXVaorqxw$ > > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.thebulletin.org__;!!Mih3wA!CNN2MiHDOc9DrStpvPu_tkHU8gjcUU-emPX9aYBYLNFseaGMPyuLTuGqUDCCqH-yxi6nDLsZwkVQabKItvkXVaorqxw$> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> R-SIG-Mac mailing list > >> R-SIG-Mac@r-project.org > >> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac__;!!Mih3wA!CNN2MiHDOc9DrStpvPu_tkHU8gjcUU-emPX9aYBYLNFseaGMPyuLTuGqUDCCqH-yxi6nDLsZwkVQabKItvkXdSyb6D8$ > > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac__;!!Mih3wA!CNN2MiHDOc9DrStpvPu_tkHU8gjcUU-emPX9aYBYLNFseaGMPyuLTuGqUDCCqH-yxi6nDLsZwkVQabKItvkXdSyb6D8$> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > R-SIG-Mac mailing list > > R-SIG-Mac@r-project.org > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac__;!!Mih3wA!CNN2MiHDOc9DrStpvPu_tkHU8gjcUU-emPX9aYBYLNFseaGMPyuLTuGqUDCCqH-yxi6nDLsZwkVQabKItvkXdSyb6D8$ > > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac__;!!Mih3wA!CNN2MiHDOc9DrStpvPu_tkHU8gjcUU-emPX9aYBYLNFseaGMPyuLTuGqUDCCqH-yxi6nDLsZwkVQabKItvkXdSyb6D8$> > > -- > John Helly / San Diego Supercomputer Center / Scripps Institution of > Oceanography > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.sdsc.edu/*hellyj__;fg!!F9wkZZsI-LA!Hd5bOx9lbYidoWDQosKCuWf0lmyJOFbIg49eq172CgaJ-_NZVL8pR585WDDSwoegsHy1dH1XW7_1vr4iT6XK$ > > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.sdsc.edu/*hellyj__;fg!!F9wkZZsI-LA!Hd5bOx9lbYidoWDQosKCuWf0lmyJOFbIg49eq172CgaJ-_NZVL8pR585WDDSwoegsHy1dH1XW7_1vr4iT6XK$> > > [sdsc[.]edu] / 808 205 9882 / 760 8408660 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > UCLA HEALTH SCIENCES IMPORTANT WARNING: This email (and any > attachments) is only intended for the use of the person or entity to > which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged > and confidential. 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