I can confirm that the behavior is the same on an Intel machine freshly upgraded to Sonoma with R 4.3.0 R.app GUI 1.79 (8238) aarch64-apple-darwin20 And it has been going on my M2 MBP R4.3.1 R.app GUI 1.79 (8238) aarch64-apple-darwin20
Does the team need any debug outputs or similar to understand the issue? Happy to send what's needed. Please advise. HTH, Brandon On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 12:35 PM John Helly via R-SIG-Mac <r-sig-mac@r-project.org> wrote: > > Aloha. > > I've confirmed it on the M-chip but afraid to test on my Intel. I have > had a problem for years now, that seems related and limited to R.app. > RStudio does not have the problem: which is why I stopped using R.app. > > On multiple machines, all architectures, R.app spontaneously switches > from editor windows to console and the switching of focus causes code to > get damaged or destroyed unwittingly. > > RStudio has its own problems but this problem has never been solved (for > me) and I haven't been able to confirm it with others so no known > cause. It may be related to this current problem since it seems to be > in the same general domain. > > J. > > On 10/3/23 06:27, Kevin Thorpe wrote: > > Hello. > > > > I am wondering if this is just an issue on M1/2 chips or does it also > > affect Intel? > > > > I usually hold off upgrading until the first or second patch, but I feel I > > should warn students in my class. > > > > Kevin > > > > > >> On Oct 3, 2023, at 12:14 PM, William R Revelle <reve...@northwestern.edu> > >> wrote: > >> > >> [You don't often get email from reve...@northwestern.edu. Learn why this > >> is important at https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification ] > >> > >> It turns out that is not just the graphics window that the focus problem, > >> it is all windows. That is, opening the help window takes focus away from > >> the console and help needs to be closed before the console window will be > >> active. The install package window has the same problem. > >> > >> For each case, closing the extra window restores console functioning. > >> > >> I report this just so Simon can see the report. > >> > >> I remain in awe of the work of Simon in getting the Mac version to work so > >> well. > >> > >> I am running > >> > >> R version 4.3.1 Patched (2023-09-30 r85239) > >> Platform: aarch64-apple-darwin20 (64-bit) > >> Running under: macOS Sonoma 14.0 > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> > >>> On Oct 1, 2023, at 12:13 PM, Sparapani, Rodney <rspar...@mcw.edu> wrote: > >>> > >>> I hear you! It is not just R either. I know you mentioned R-studio. > >>> But there are lots of other things R-related like emacs. I had the > >>> hardest time with emacs for Catalina and Big sur. I’m not sure > >>> but I think Monterrey was better. However, all of those issues > >>> finally went away with Ventura. This makes me extremely hesitant for > >>> Sonoma > >>> since I am finally happy now. So long story short: Apple gets there, > >>> but it can take years sometimes. The new hardware like ARM (and > >>> the titanium iPhone!) look so cool it can be very tempting to go > >>> bleeding-edge. I learned my lesson when Ventura first came out. > >>> R was not ready and neither were lots of tools that we use here > >>> at work. Good luck > >>> -- > >>> Rodney Sparapani, Associate Professor of Biostatistics, He/Him/His > >>> Vice President, Wisconsin Chapter of the American Statistical Association > >>> Institute for Health and Equity, Division of Biostatistics > >>> Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Campus > >>> From: William Revelle <li...@revelle.net> > >>> Date: Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:01 PM > >>> To: Sparapani, Rodney <rspar...@mcw.edu>, r-sig-mac@r-project.org > >>> <r-sig-mac@r-project.org> > >>> Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS X Sonoma > >>> ATTENTION: This email originated from a sender outside of MCW. Use > >>> caution when clicking on links or opening attachments. > >>> ________________________________ > >>> > >>> Rodney, > >>> > >>> Thanks for your quick reply. > >>> > >>> It turns out this is just a problem with the base R for Mac graphics > >>> window (which is to say, the version I like). I can still use R-studio > >>> (which I don’t like as much). > >>> > >>> I can wait patiently for a patch to the Mac version while using R-Studio. > >>> > >>> That way I don’t have to go through the hassle of trying to reinstall > >>> 13.x and dumping 14.0. > >>> > >>> Bill > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Oct 1, 2023, at 11:22 AM, Sparapani, Rodney <rspar...@mcw.edu> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi Bill: > >>>> Well, I am usually pretty cautious about this. I don’t move to the > >>>> next release until R is ready. For Ventura, it took quite awhile > >>>> before that happened. Sorry > >>>> -- > >>>> Rodney Sparapani, Associate Professor of Biostatistics, He/Him/His > >>>> Vice President, Wisconsin Chapter of the American Statistical Association > >>>> Institute for Health and Equity, Division of Biostatistics > >>>> Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Campus > >>>> From: R-SIG-Mac <r-sig-mac-boun...@r-project.org> on behalf of William > >>>> Revelle <li...@revelle.net> > >>>> Date: Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:19 AM > >>>> To: r-sig-mac@r-project.org <r-sig-mac@r-project.org> > >>>> Subject: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS 1 > >>>> ATTENTION: This email originated from a sender outside of MCW. Use > >>>> caution when clicking on links or opening attachments. > >>>> ________________________________ > >>>> > >>>> Dear Mac users of R and developers. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I recently updated to the Sonoma OS for Mac (14.0) and it has a > >>>> serious problem for graphics. > >>>> > >>>> plot(1:10) creates a graphic window but I can not switch back to the > >>>> console window using either command-1 or the mouse. > >>>> > >>>> Anybody else having this problem? Any suggestions for a patch? > >>>> > >>>> I am running a MacBook Pro with M1 Max. > >>>> > >>>> Bill > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> (resent because of bad mail address) > >>>> William Revelle personality-project.org/revelle.html > >>>> Professor personality-project.org > >>>> Department of Psychology > >>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.wcas.northwestern.edu/psych/__;!!H8mHWRdzp34!6ejyrhAkkZDmz7rI2sf4kna51unncXyvnIMc9xJ12h6pMfylTwNR8QeWq8RTUAAR7NMYOzH5OX_pOA$ > >>>> Northwestern University > >>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.northwestern.edu/__;!!H8mHWRdzp34!6ejyrhAkkZDmz7rI2sf4kna51unncXyvnIMc9xJ12h6pMfylTwNR8QeWq8RTUAAR7NMYOzE95PXdSw$ > >>>> Use R for psychology personality-project.org/r > >>>> It is 90 seconds to midnight > >>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.thebulletin.org__;!!H8mHWRdzp34!6ejyrhAkkZDmz7rI2sf4kna51unncXyvnIMc9xJ12h6pMfylTwNR8QeWq8RTUAAR7NMYOzFQyyeCDA$ > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> R-SIG-Mac mailing list > >>>> R-SIG-Mac@r-project.org > >>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac__;!!H8mHWRdzp34!6ejyrhAkkZDmz7rI2sf4kna51unncXyvnIMc9xJ12h6pMfylTwNR8QeWq8RTUAAR7NMYOzHD4ZY2UQ$ > >>> > >>> William Revelle personality-project.org/revelle.html > >>> Professor personality-project.org > >>> Department of Psychology > >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.wcas.northwestern.edu/psych/__;!!H8mHWRdzp34!88tilf5jXzIUAFnhvoS-ukTdaw-8-r6Idnya5ElJTuSaQGzC-w32dWd-UDOpOs8l5fIqHIBhQrcuaw$ > >>> Northwestern University > >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.northwestern.edu/__;!!H8mHWRdzp34!88tilf5jXzIUAFnhvoS-ukTdaw-8-r6Idnya5ElJTuSaQGzC-w32dWd-UDOpOs8l5fIqHIB9JLDoKg$ > >>> Use R for psychology personality-project.org/r > >>> It is 90 seconds to midnight > >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.thebulletin.org__;!!H8mHWRdzp34!88tilf5jXzIUAFnhvoS-ukTdaw-8-r6Idnya5ElJTuSaQGzC-w32dWd-UDOpOs8l5fIqHIB-u6-uTg$ > >> > >> William Revelle personality-project.org/revelle.html > >> Professor personality-project.org > >> Department of Psychology www.wcas.northwestern.edu/psych/ > >> Northwestern University www.northwestern.edu/ > >> Use R for psychology personality-project.org/r > >> It 90 seconds to midnight www.thebulletin.org > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> R-SIG-Mac mailing list > >> R-SIG-Mac@r-project.org > >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac > > > > _______________________________________________ > > R-SIG-Mac mailing list > > R-SIG-Mac@r-project.org > > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac > > -- > John Helly / San Diego Supercomputer Center / Scripps Institution of > Oceanography > https://www.sdsc.edu/~hellyj / 808 205 9882 / 760 8408660 > > _______________________________________________ > R-SIG-Mac mailing list > R-SIG-Mac@r-project.org > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac _______________________________________________ R-SIG-Mac mailing list R-SIG-Mac@r-project.org https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
