Hi John, You are not unique in noticing the apparently random (single) switching of R.app windows in previous versions of Mac OS X (Ventura).
I observed the same phenomenon, but simply lived with it, despite some close calls in code destruction… I had to keep my wits about me! Cheers, Des From: John Helly <hel...@ucsd.edu> Date: Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:24 PM To: Simon Urbanek <simon.urba...@r-project.org>, r-sig-mac R <r-sig-mac@r-project.org>, William Revelle <li...@revelle.net> Cc: hel...@ucsd.edu <hel...@ucsd.edu>, Smith, Desmond <dsm...@mednet.ucla.edu> Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS 14 Not to beat a dead horse, but it may be that this is the mechanism for the spontaneous switching I was experiencing in versions for a couple of years. Don't know why I would be unique in that but it seems to have been the case. Just adding the observation in case it provides a puzzle piece. The underlying problem could go back a while (or not). J. On 10/4/23 15:19, Simon Urbanek wrote: > I had a look and can reproduce it. What happens is that macOS Sonoma is > sending dozens of notifications that a window will close (even if no window > is being closed!) and since we move the focus to the next window on close it > happens every time macOS sends that notification and thus many times in > sequence. Unfortunately it is not clear why Sonoma does it and it makes no > sense, so some more digging will be required. I have added a quick hack to > simply not change focus on close - it is not ideal as it doesn't address the > (unknown) cause which may have many more repercussions, but it lets you try > it out (R 4.3.x and arm64 only): > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://mac.R-project.org/test/Mac-GUI-R-4.3-arm64.dmg__;!!Mih3wA!CNN2MiHDOc9DrStpvPu_tkHU8gjcUU-emPX9aYBYLNFseaGMPyuLTuGqUDCCqH-yxi6nDLsZwkVQabKItvkXTv7JoVY$<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/mac.R-project.org/test/Mac-GUI-R-4.3-arm64.dmg__;!!Mih3wA!CNN2MiHDOc9DrStpvPu_tkHU8gjcUU-emPX9aYBYLNFseaGMPyuLTuGqUDCCqH-yxi6nDLsZwkVQabKItvkXTv7JoVY$> > > Do not use that build on other macOS systems that don't exhibit the bug. > There are still more known issues with Sonoma (e.g., you cannot close an R > document without saving), so avoid upgrading until it stabilizes more. In the > meantime I'll see if I can find out more about the mysterious bugs in Sonoma. > > Cheers, > Simon > > >> On 2/10/2023, at 5:18 AM, William Revelle <li...@revelle.net> wrote: >> >> Dear Mac users of R and developers. >> >> >> I recently updated to the Sonoma OS for Mac (14.0) and it has a serious >> problem for graphics. >> >> plot(1:10) creates a graphic window but I can not switch back to the console >> window using either command-1 or the mouse. >> >> Anybody else having this problem? 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