It's from homebrew's gcc. I did `brew reinstall gcc` followed by `make 
distclean && ./configure && make meson_python && make` and it still fails 
at scipy, same error. I removed the cached download file for homebrew's gcc 
and tried again, same result. I have not yet tried Sage's gcc.

On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 11:18:15 PM UTC-7 Dima Pasechnik wrote:

> Where is gfortran coming from here?
> Do you build it with Sage, or use an external one?
>
> If the external one, e.g. from Homebrew, you most probably need to 
> update/reinstall.
> Ditto in Sage 
>
>
> On Fri, 22 Sept 2023, 00:52 John H Palmieri, <jhpalm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> A new problem, after upgrading to OS X 13.6 and the newest version of the 
>> command-line tools: scipy fails to build again, this time with the error:
>>
>>   ../../meson.build:82:0: ERROR: Unable to detect linker for compiler 
>> `gfortran -Wl,--version 
>> -L/Users/palmieri/Desktop/Sage/TESTING/sage-10.2.beta3/local/lib 
>> -Wl,-rpath,/Users/palmieri/Desktop/Sage/TESTING/sage-10.2.beta3/local/lib 
>> -L/Users/palmieri/Desktop/Sage/TESTING/sage-10.2.beta3/local/lib 
>> -Wl,-rpath,/Users/palmieri/Desktop/Sage/TESTING/sage-10.2.beta3/local/lib`
>>   stdout:
>>   stderr: collect2 version 13.2.0
>>   /usr/bin/ld -syslibroot 
>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools/SDKs/MacOSX13.sdk/ -dynamic -arch arm64 
>> -platform_version macos 13.0.0 0.0 -o a.out 
>> -L/Users/palmieri/Desktop/Sage/TESTING/sage-10.2.beta3/local/lib 
>> -L/Users/palmieri/Desktop/Sage/TESTING/sage-10.2.beta3/local/lib 
>> -L/opt/homebrew/Cellar/gcc/13.2.0/bin/../lib/gcc/current/gcc/aarch64-apple-darwin22/13
>>  
>> -L/opt/homebrew/Cellar/gcc/13.2.0/bin/../lib/gcc/current/gcc 
>> -L/Users/palmieri/Desktop/Sage/TESTING/sage-10.2.beta3/local/lib 
>> -L/Users/palmieri/Desktop/Sage/TESTING/sage-10.2.beta3/local/lib 
>> -L/opt/homebrew/opt/primesieve/lib -L/opt/homebrew/opt/bdw-gc/lib 
>> -L/opt/homebrew/opt/libpng/lib -L/opt/homebrew/opt/ntl/lib 
>> -L/opt/homebrew/opt/bzip2/lib -L/opt/homebrew/opt/readline/lib 
>> -L/opt/homebrew/lib 
>> -L/opt/homebrew/Cellar/gcc/13.2.0/bin/../lib/gcc/current/gcc/aarch64-apple-darwin22/13/../../..
>>  
>> --version -rpath 
>> /Users/palmieri/Desktop/Sage/TESTING/sage-10.2.beta3/local/lib -rpath 
>> /Users/palmieri/Desktop/Sage/TESTING/sage-10.2.beta3/local/lib -lemutls_w 
>> -lgcc -lSystem -lgcc -no_compact_unwind -rpath @loader_path -rpath 
>> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/gcc/13.2.0/lib/gcc/current/gcc/aarch64-apple-darwin22/13
>>  
>> -rpath /opt/homebrew/Cellar/gcc/13.2.0/lib/gcc/current/gcc -rpath 
>> /Users/palmieri/Desktop/Sage/TESTING/sage-10.2.beta3/local/lib -rpath 
>> /Users/palmieri/Desktop/Sage/TESTING/sage-10.2.beta3/local/lib -rpath 
>> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/primesieve/11.1/lib -rpath 
>> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/bdw-gc/8.2.4/lib -rpath 
>> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/libpng/1.6.40/lib -rpath 
>> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/ntl/11.5.1/lib -rpath 
>> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/bzip2/1.0.8/lib -rpath 
>> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/readline/8.2.1/lib -rpath /opt/homebrew/lib -rpath 
>> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/gcc/13.2.0/lib/gcc/current
>>   ld: unknown options: --version
>>   collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
>>
>> Suggestions?
>>
>> On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 11:25:02 AM UTC-7 John H Palmieri wrote:
>>
>>> Similar problem for me on OS X. I don't understand something: the 
>>> dependencies for scipy include meson_python, but that package is not 
>>> installed before scipy attempts to build, and fails. Running "make 
>>> meson_python" and then "make scipy" succeeds, as does "make".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 2:59:58 PM UTC-7 Kwankyu Lee wrote:
>>>
>>>> Succeeded after sage -pip install meson-python.
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 6:52:59 AM UTC+9 Kwankyu Lee wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Incremental build failed
>>>>>
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] 
>>>>> [......................................................................]
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] scipy-1.11.2
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] ====================================================
>>>>> [sagelib-10.2.beta3]       Removing file or directory 
>>>>> /Users/kwankyu/GitHub/sage-dev/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.10/lib/python3.10/site-packages/sagemath-standard.egg-link
>>>>> [sagelib-10.2.beta3]       Removing pth entries from 
>>>>> /Users/kwankyu/GitHub/sage-dev/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.10/lib/python3.10/site-packages/easy-install.pth:
>>>>> [sagelib-10.2.beta3]       Removing entry: 
>>>>> /Users/kwankyu/GitHub/sage-dev/src
>>>>> [sagelib-10.2.beta3]       Successfully uninstalled 
>>>>> sagemath-standard-10.2b3
>>>>> [sagelib-10.2.beta3]   Running setup.py develop for sagemath-standard
>>>>> [sagelib-10.2.beta3]     Running command python setup.py develop
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] Setting up build directory for scipy-1.11.2
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] Finished extraction
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] Applying patches from ../patches...
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] Applying ../patches/numpy-include.patch
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] patching file scipy/spatial/setup.py
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] Hunk #1 succeeded at 39 (offset -1 lines).
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] Applying ../patches/tests_no_internet_dependency.patch
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] patching file scipy/datasets/meson.build
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] ****************************************************
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] Host system:
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] Darwin Helios.local 22.6.0 Darwin Kernel Version 
>>>>> 22.6.0: Wed Jul  5 22:21:56 PDT 2023; 
>>>>> root:xnu-8796.141.3~6/RELEASE_X86_64 
>>>>> x86_64
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] ****************************************************
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] C compiler: gcc
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] C compiler version:
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] Apple clang version 14.0.3 (clang-1403.0.22.14.1)
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] Target: x86_64-apple-darwin22.6.0
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] Thread model: posix
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] InstalledDir: 
>>>>> /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools/usr/bin
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] ****************************************************
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] Package 'scipy' is currently not installed
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] No legacy uninstaller found for 'scipy'; nothing to do
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] Installing scipy-1.11.2
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] DEPRECATION: --no-binary currently disables reading 
>>>>> from the cache of locally built wheels. In the future --no-binary will 
>>>>> not 
>>>>> influence the wheel cache. pip 23.1 will enforce this behaviour change. A 
>>>>> possible replacement is to use the --no-cache-dir option. You can use the 
>>>>> flag --use-feature=no-binary-enable-wheel-cache to test the upcoming 
>>>>> behaviour. Discussion can be found at 
>>>>> https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues/11453
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] Processing 
>>>>> /Users/kwankyu/GitHub/sage-dev/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.10/var/tmp/sage/build/scipy-1.11.2/src
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]   Preparing metadata (pyproject.toml): started
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]   Running command Preparing metadata (pyproject.toml)
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]   Preparing metadata (pyproject.toml): finished with 
>>>>> status 'done'
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] ERROR: Exception:
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]   File 
>>>>> "/Users/kwankyu/GitHub/sage-dev/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.10/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pip/_internal/cli/base_command.py",
>>>>>  
>>>>> line 160, in exc_logging_wrapper
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]     status = run_func(*args)
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]   File 
>>>>> "/Users/kwankyu/GitHub/sage-dev/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.10/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pip/_internal/cli/req_command.py",
>>>>>  
>>>>> line 247, in wrapper
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]     return func(self, options, args)
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]   File 
>>>>> "/Users/kwankyu/GitHub/sage-dev/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.10/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pip/_internal/commands/wheel.py",
>>>>>  
>>>>> line 170, in run
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]     requirement_set = resolver.resolve(reqs, 
>>>>> check_supported_wheels=True)
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]   File 
>>>>> "/Users/kwankyu/GitHub/sage-dev/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.10/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pip/_internal/resolution/resolvelib/resolver.py",
>>>>>  
>>>>> line 73, in resolve
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]     collected = 
>>>>> self.factory.collect_root_requirements(root_reqs)
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]   File 
>>>>> "/Users/kwankyu/GitHub/sage-dev/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.10/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pip/_internal/resolution/resolvelib/factory.py",
>>>>>  
>>>>> line 491, in collect_root_requirements
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]     req = self._make_requirement_from_install_req(
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]   File 
>>>>> "/Users/kwankyu/GitHub/sage-dev/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.10/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pip/_internal/resolution/resolvelib/factory.py",
>>>>>  
>>>>> line 453, in _make_requirement_from_install_req
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]     cand = self._make_candidate_from_link(
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]   File 
>>>>> "/Users/kwankyu/GitHub/sage-dev/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.10/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pip/_internal/resolution/resolvelib/factory.py",
>>>>>  
>>>>> line 206, in _make_candidate_from_link
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]     self._link_candidate_cache[link] = LinkCandidate(
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]   File 
>>>>> "/Users/kwankyu/GitHub/sage-dev/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.10/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pip/_internal/resolution/resolvelib/candidates.py",
>>>>>  
>>>>> line 297, in __init__
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]     super().__init__(
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]   File 
>>>>> "/Users/kwankyu/GitHub/sage-dev/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.10/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pip/_internal/resolution/resolvelib/candidates.py",
>>>>>  
>>>>> line 162, in __init__
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]     self.dist = self._prepare()
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]   File 
>>>>> "/Users/kwankyu/GitHub/sage-dev/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.10/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pip/_internal/resolution/resolvelib/candidates.py",
>>>>>  
>>>>> line 231, in _prepare
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]     dist = self._prepare_distribution()
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]   File 
>>>>> "/Users/kwankyu/GitHub/sage-dev/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.10/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pip/_internal/resolution/resolvelib/candidates.py",
>>>>>  
>>>>> line 308, in _prepare_distribution
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]     return 
>>>>> preparer.prepare_linked_requirement(self._ireq, parallel_builds=True)
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]   File 
>>>>> "/Users/kwankyu/GitHub/sage-dev/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.10/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pip/_internal/operations/prepare.py",
>>>>>  
>>>>> line 491, in prepare_linked_requirement
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]     return self._prepare_linked_requirement(req, 
>>>>> parallel_builds)
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]   File 
>>>>> "/Users/kwankyu/GitHub/sage-dev/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.10/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pip/_internal/operations/prepare.py",
>>>>>  
>>>>> line 577, in _prepare_linked_requirement
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]     dist = _get_prepared_distribution(
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]   File 
>>>>> "/Users/kwankyu/GitHub/sage-dev/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.10/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pip/_internal/operations/prepare.py",
>>>>>  
>>>>> line 69, in _get_prepared_distribution
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]     abstract_dist.prepare_distribution_metadata(
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]   File 
>>>>> "/Users/kwankyu/GitHub/sage-dev/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.10/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pip/_internal/distributions/sdist.py",
>>>>>  
>>>>> line 61, in prepare_distribution_metadata
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]     self.req.prepare_metadata()
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]   File 
>>>>> "/Users/kwankyu/GitHub/sage-dev/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.10/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pip/_internal/req/req_install.py",
>>>>>  
>>>>> line 535, in prepare_metadata
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]     self.metadata_directory = generate_metadata(
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]   File 
>>>>> "/Users/kwankyu/GitHub/sage-dev/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.10/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pip/_internal/operations/build/metadata.py",
>>>>>  
>>>>> line 35, in generate_metadata
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]     distinfo_dir = 
>>>>> backend.prepare_metadata_for_build_wheel(metadata_dir)
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]   File 
>>>>> "/Users/kwankyu/GitHub/sage-dev/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.10/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pip/_internal/utils/misc.py",
>>>>>  
>>>>> line 706, in prepare_metadata_for_build_wheel
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]     return super().prepare_metadata_for_build_wheel(
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]   File 
>>>>> "/Users/kwankyu/GitHub/sage-dev/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.10/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pip/_vendor/pep517/wrappers.py",
>>>>>  
>>>>> line 189, in prepare_metadata_for_build_wheel
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]     return 
>>>>> self._call_hook('prepare_metadata_for_build_wheel', {
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]   File 
>>>>> "/Users/kwankyu/GitHub/sage-dev/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.10/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pip/_vendor/pep517/wrappers.py",
>>>>>  
>>>>> line 319, in _call_hook
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]     raise BackendUnavailable(data.get('traceback', ''))
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] pip._vendor.pep517.wrappers.BackendUnavailable: 
>>>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]   File 
>>>>> "/Users/kwankyu/GitHub/sage-dev/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.10/lib/python3.10/site-packages/pip/_vendor/pep517/in_process/_in_process.py",
>>>>>  
>>>>> line 77, in _build_backend
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]     obj = import_module(mod_path)
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]   File 
>>>>> "/usr/local/Cellar/pyt...@3.10/3.10.9/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.10/lib/python3.10/importlib/__init__.py",
>>>>>  
>>>>> line 126, in import_module
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]     return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], 
>>>>> package, level)
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]   File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1050, in 
>>>>> _gcd_import
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]   File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1027, in 
>>>>> _find_and_load
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2]   File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1004, in 
>>>>> _find_and_load_unlocked
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'mesonpy'
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] 
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] 
>>>>> ********************************************************************************
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] Error building a wheel for scipy-1.11.2
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] 
>>>>> ********************************************************************************
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] 
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] real 0m0.924s
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] user 0m0.663s
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] sys 0m0.184s
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] 
>>>>> ************************************************************************
>>>>> [scipy-1.11.2] Error installing package scipy-1.11.2
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 12:31:53 AM UTC+9 Volker Braun wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As always, you can get the latest beta version from the "develop" git 
>>>>>> branch. Alternatively, the self-contained source tarball is at 
>>>>>> http://www.sagemath.org/download-latest.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 80f6d772a15 (tag: 10.2.beta3, github/develop) Updated SageMath 
>>>>>> version to 10.2.beta3
>>>>>> f32860b2015 gh-36263: Fix setuptools version bounds in generated 
>>>>>> `pyproject.toml` files
>>>>>> c95bd1440b4 gh-36260: `MPowerSeries`: Don't go through symbolics to 
>>>>>> compute exp(0), log(1)
>>>>>> cac16e2fa5d gh-36256: Support more system-site packages
>>>>>> 238b1dc6eef gh-36255: numpy-1.25 compatibility
>>>>>> 486d3b99e87 gh-36250: various details in sets/disjoint_set
>>>>>> 357b34b55f7 gh-36249: E228 and E225 in groups,interfaces,modules,plot
>>>>>> adc3df9e5c0 gh-36248: some care for unused variables in matrix/
>>>>>> 413b5d679c5 gh-36247: fix E228 and E225 in categories/
>>>>>> 96d249a37d9 gh-36243: ⬆️ Bump actions/checkout from 3 to 4
>>>>>> 4bb48bddfa4 gh-36241: ⬆️ Bump myrotvorets/set-commit-status-action 
>>>>>> from 1.1.7 to 2.0.0
>>>>>> 191d1f97ba6 gh-36240: Fix Python package metadata generated by 
>>>>>> `bootstrap`
>>>>>> 905d3c2d486 gh-36238: `sage -t`: Distinguish .pxd from .pyx in 
>>>>>> doctest basenames
>>>>>> b6b50a80e96 gh-36235: support for ecl 23.9.9
>>>>>> 683b05bb5a2 gh-36232: Make `min_spanning_tree` robust to incomparable 
>>>>>> vertex labels
>>>>>> 8d09d156fcf gh-36231: fix typo in documentation
>>>>>> 33182d9feaa gh-36225: improve the use of graphs in 
>>>>>> `sage/combinat/posets/*`
>>>>>> 33d6cc5a001 gh-36224: Add cycle_type() and fix to_cycle() to 
>>>>>> SignedPermutation.
>>>>>> 3e6db2405df gh-36221: get rid of xrange again
>>>>>> 029450c8712 gh-36219: configure.ac: disable webencodings,tinycss2 
>>>>>> with --disable-notebook
>>>>>> 3ea961767e8 gh-36218: src/bin/sage-env: set 
>>>>>> PYDEVD_DISABLE_FILE_VALIDATION=1
>>>>>> f95e442cb4b gh-36213: Fix sync labels issues for step 2 going live
>>>>>> e74579d32b9 gh-36212: singular: added missing #endif
>>>>>> 322ad22e8c8 gh-36210: configure.ac: disable mathjax with 
>>>>>> --disable-doc
>>>>>> 6fe3561bbbb gh-36209: build/pkgs/ipython/dependencies: drop jinja2
>>>>>> 78efe5546db gh-36206: Remove some obsolete "six" dependencies
>>>>>> 1a1df6f6fbe gh-36186: Drop obsolete html5lib package
>>>>>> 5b2f125a842 gh-36176: build/pkgs/tox: Update, require tox >= 4.2.7, 
>>>>>> update dependencies
>>>>>> 9dd8a772e53 gh-36168: `sage.groups`: Modularization fixes, `# needs`, 
>>>>>> doctest cosmetics
>>>>>> 4f4fbc29184 gh-36165: Fix reduction of cusps for Gamma(N)
>>>>>> 45537351d7e gh-36122: Added hash function to elements of the 
>>>>>> fundamental group of an extended affine Weyl group
>>>>>> 5b9137c7204 gh-35970: src/sage/combinat/affine_permutation.py: Fix 
>>>>>> docstring markup
>>>>>> bbe57a4d34d gh-35964: Matroids: Don't forget to check rank in 
>>>>>> `equals`, `is_isomorphism`
>>>>>> 23b1a0af6f0 gh-35875: Implementing moment angle complexes
>>>>>> 3a3126ffc0e gh-35767: add .basis_matrix() wrapper to quaternion orders
>>>>>> d412568dff7 gh-35485: New comparison mode to lazy series and better 
>>>>>> undefined check
>>>>>> 21a624a7b45 gh-35362: Implement infinite sums and products for lazy 
>>>>>> series
>>>>>> 8c040276465 gh-35038: Implement Milnor fiber and Coxeter complexes
>>>>>> 41031292ff1 (tag: 10.2.beta2) Updated SageMath version to 10.2.beta2
>>>>>>
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