Re: [digitalradio] A weekend of NBEMS: Some questions.
Sorry I was not ably to jump in on this. I have been just to busy trying to get things ready to sell my company. What frequency have they been running this on? And what time of the day or evening. John
Re: [digitalradio] A weekend of NBEMS: Some questions.
At 11:53 AM 1/7/2008, Skip wrote: Please don't hang out looking for email! If you are a served agency that assigns someone to monitor the band for traffic, or meet a sked, when normal communications are available, NBEMS is useful, but why clutter up the airwaves with email or messaging? The ham bands are primarily for amateur radio hobbiests to talk to other amateur radio hobbiests, not as a slow replacement for the Internet or text messaging. I would like to see a mailbox system, like the Packet TNCs of old, but with modern narrow band modes. The requirement to communicate with a server to pass mail is not quite what I am looking for. No, just a standalone mailbox that someone can connect to, and leave a msg or, connect to and pickup a msg. Yes, PSKmail is close, but needs the server connection. 73s Jack VK4JRC
Re: [digitalradio] A weekend of NBEMS: Some questions.
Wrong again... * Every pskmail server has a local mailbox, so you can operate it without the internet connection. E,g, in some countries it is still forbidden to connect a radio to the internet, those are the countries which allow SSB on 30 mtrs by the way. For them the local mbox is the only solution. Just send your message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Pskmail also includes file transfer client-to-client 73, Rein PA0R narrow band modes. The requirement to communicate with a server to pass mail is not quite what I am looking for. No, just a standalone mailbox that someone can connect to, and leave a msg or, connect to and pickup a msg. Yes, PSKmail is close, but needs the server connection. 73s Jack VK4JRC -- http://pa0r.blogspirit.com Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked DRCC contest info : http://www.obriensweb.com/drcc.htm Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] A weekend of NBEMS: Some questions. now PSKmail!
Rein, I did finally get your Puppy ISO to work on my laptop, it was your latest Ham Puppy version I downloaded today , Fldigi fired up ok, with the Tigertronics SL USB interface. Question...Can PSKmail use PSK31 mode? My reason is that I only have a 10 watt ICOM 703 radio, for my portable ops. So..signals are not strong, and I have no need for higher data rates of PSK250. The reason for all this is that I am going on a motorcycle trip in South Africa, where there are not many stations, so I will probably be communicating to others outside the country, IF there are any PSKmail operators I can hear :-) My reasoning for trying to get around PSKmail was to try and avoid carrying a laptop. With the old type TNCs, you can use an AA battery powered RS232 terminal to drive them. I have one of these, works great on Packet TNCs. Also on Amtor, Pactor and PSK31 with SCS PTC-IIEx TNC http://www.ciao.co.uk/Psion_Workabout_Mx__5378172 Also the Psion 3MX too http://www.bioeddie.co.uk/models/psion-series-3mx.htm With these units, I just use the on board Comms Program. IF I use my Palm IIIx, I have the On Line comms program (now discontinued) from Mark Space in the U.S. It has macros and a few other features too. NONE of the above can use soundcard software. The good thing about them all is that they run on AA or AAA batteries :-) 73s Jack VK4JRC At 08:06 PM 1/7/2008, Rein wrote: Wrong again... * Every pskmail server has a local mailbox, so you can operate it without the internet connection. E,g, in some countries it is still forbidden to connect a radio to the internet, those are the countries which allow SSB on 30 mtrs by the way. For them the local mbox is the only solution. Just send your message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Pskmail also includes file transfer client-to-client 73, Rein PA0R narrow band modes. The requirement to communicate with a server to pass mail is not quite what I am looking for. No, just a standalone mailbox that someone can connect to, and leave a msg or, connect to and pickup a msg. Yes, PSKmail is close, but needs the server connection. 73s Jack VK4JRC
Re: [digitalradio] A weekend of NBEMS: Some questions. now PSKmail!
Jack, yes, pskmail will work with PSK31 as well, in fact it will work with any mode that transports the complete set of ASCII characters (I am working on incorporating RTTY as well). But you will find PSK63 almost as good as PSK31, and a bit less sensitive to frequency stability. I am sure any of the server ops will open a PSK63 channel for you if you need it. We can also run modes like DominoEx if you need it. I know what you mean with the PSION, I used a PSION 3a, and I wrote a CW contest keyer and a contest log program for it. (Does not work for the 5MX). 73, Rein Pa0R -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Gesendet: 07.01.08 11:48:46 An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Betreff: Re: [digitalradio] A weekend of NBEMS: Some questions. now PSKmail! Rein, I did finally get your Puppy ISO to work on my laptop, it was your latest Ham Puppy version I downloaded today , Fldigi fired up ok, with the Tigertronics SL USB interface. Question...Can PSKmail use PSK31 mode? My reason is that I only have a 10 watt ICOM 703 radio, for my portable ops. So..signals are not strong, and I have no need for higher data rates of PSK250. The reason for all this is that I am going on a motorcycle trip in South Africa, where there are not many stations, so I will probably be communicating to others outside the country, IF there are any PSKmail operators I can hear :-) My reasoning for trying to get around PSKmail was to try and avoid carrying a laptop. With the old type TNCs, you can use an AA battery powered RS232 terminal to drive them. I have one of these, works great on Packet TNCs. Also on Amtor, Pactor and PSK31 with SCS PTC-IIEx TNC http://www.ciao.co.uk/Psion_Workabout_Mx__5378172 Also the Psion 3MX too http://www.bioeddie.co.uk/models/psion-series-3mx.htm With these units, I just use the on board Comms Program. IF I use my Palm IIIx, I have the On Line comms program (now discontinued) from Mark Space in the U.S. It has macros and a few other features too. NONE of the above can use soundcard software. The good thing about them all is that they run on AA or AAA batteries :-) 73s Jack VK4JRC At 08:06 PM 1/7/2008, Rein wrote: Wrong again... * Every pskmail server has a local mailbox, so you can operate it without the internet connection. E,g, in some countries it is still forbidden to connect a radio to the internet, those are the countries which allow SSB on 30 mtrs by the way. For them the local mbox is the only solution. Just send your message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Pskmail also includes file transfer client-to-client 73, Rein PA0R narrow band modes. The requirement to communicate with a server to pass mail is not quite what I am looking for. No, just a standalone mailbox that someone can connect to, and leave a msg or, connect to and pickup a msg. Yes, PSKmail is close, but needs the server connection. 73s Jack VK4JRC -- http://pa0r.blogspirit.com Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked DRCC contest info : http://www.obriensweb.com/drcc.htm Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] A weekend of NBEMS: Some questions. now PSKmail!
Hi Rein Is this new windows software ; vbdigi.exe / flarq.exe compatible with your pskmail system ? 73 de LA5VNA Steinar Rein Couperus skrev: Jack, yes, pskmail will work with PSK31 as well, in fact it will work with any mode that transports the complete set of ASCII characters (I am working on incorporating RTTY as well). But you will find PSK63 almost as good as PSK31, and a bit less sensitive to frequency stability. I am sure any of the server ops will open a PSK63 channel for you if you need it. We can also run modes like DominoEx if you need it. I know what you mean with the PSION, I used a PSION 3a, and I wrote a CW contest keyer and a contest log program for it. (Does not work for the 5MX). 73, Rein Pa0R -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Gesendet: 07.01.08 11:48:46 An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Betreff: Re: [digitalradio] A weekend of NBEMS: Some questions. now PSKmail! Rein, I did finally get your Puppy ISO to work on my laptop, it was your latest Ham Puppy version I downloaded today , Fldigi fired up ok, with the Tigertronics SL USB interface. Question...Can PSKmail use PSK31 mode? My reason is that I only have a 10 watt ICOM 703 radio, for my portable ops. So..signals are not strong, and I have no need for higher data rates of PSK250. The reason for all this is that I am going on a motorcycle trip in South Africa, where there are not many stations, so I will probably be communicating to others outside the country, IF there are any PSKmail operators I can hear :-) My reasoning for trying to get around PSKmail was to try and avoid carrying a laptop. With the old type TNCs, you can use an AA battery powered RS232 terminal to drive them. I have one of these, works great on Packet TNCs. Also on Amtor, Pactor and PSK31 with SCS PTC-IIEx TNC http://www.ciao.co.uk/Psion_Workabout_Mx__5378172 Also the Psion 3MX too http://www.bioeddie.co.uk/models/psion-series-3mx.htm With these units, I just use the on board Comms Program. IF I use my Palm IIIx, I have the On Line comms program (now discontinued) from Mark Space in the U.S. It has macros and a few other features too. NONE of the above can use soundcard software. The good thing about them all is that they run on AA or AAA batteries :-) 73s Jack VK4JRC At 08:06 PM 1/7/2008, Rein wrote: Wrong again... * Every pskmail server has a local mailbox, so you can operate it without the internet connection. E,g, in some countries it is still forbidden to connect a radio to the internet, those are the countries which allow SSB on 30 mtrs by the way. For them the local mbox is the only solution. Just send your message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Pskmail also includes file transfer client-to-client 73, Rein PA0R narrow band modes. The requirement to communicate with a server to pass mail is not quite what I am looking for. No, just a standalone mailbox that someone can connect to, and leave a msg or, connect to and pickup a msg. Yes, PSKmail is close, but needs the server connection. 73s Jack VK4JRC Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked DRCC contest info : http://www.obriensweb.com/drcc.htm Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] A weekend of NBEMS: Some questions. now PSKmail!
No, but it uses (almost) the same protocol. Rein -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Gesendet: 07.01.08 12:16:11 An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Betreff: Re: [digitalradio] A weekend of NBEMS: Some questions. now PSKmail! Hi Rein Is this new windows software ; vbdigi.exe / flarq.exe compatible with your pskmail system ? 73 de LA5VNA Steinar Rein Couperus skrev: Jack, yes, pskmail will work with PSK31 as well, in fact it will work with any mode that transports the complete set of ASCII characters (I am working on incorporating RTTY as well). But you will find PSK63 almost as good as PSK31, and a bit less sensitive to frequency stability. I am sure any of the server ops will open a PSK63 channel for you if you need it. We can also run modes like DominoEx if you need it. I know what you mean with the PSION, I used a PSION 3a, and I wrote a CW contest keyer and a contest log program for it. (Does not work for the 5MX). 73, Rein Pa0R -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Gesendet: 07.01.08 11:48:46 An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Betreff: Re: [digitalradio] A weekend of NBEMS: Some questions. now PSKmail! Rein, I did finally get your Puppy ISO to work on my laptop, it was your latest Ham Puppy version I downloaded today , Fldigi fired up ok, with the Tigertronics SL USB interface. Question...Can PSKmail use PSK31 mode? My reason is that I only have a 10 watt ICOM 703 radio, for my portable ops. So..signals are not strong, and I have no need for higher data rates of PSK250. The reason for all this is that I am going on a motorcycle trip in South Africa, where there are not many stations, so I will probably be communicating to others outside the country, IF there are any PSKmail operators I can hear :-) My reasoning for trying to get around PSKmail was to try and avoid carrying a laptop. With the old type TNCs, you can use an AA battery powered RS232 terminal to drive them. I have one of these, works great on Packet TNCs. Also on Amtor, Pactor and PSK31 with SCS PTC-IIEx TNC http://www.ciao.co.uk/Psion_Workabout_Mx__5378172 Also the Psion 3MX too http://www.bioeddie.co.uk/models/psion-series-3mx.htm With these units, I just use the on board Comms Program. IF I use my Palm IIIx, I have the On Line comms program (now discontinued) from Mark Space in the U.S. It has macros and a few other features too. NONE of the above can use soundcard software. The good thing about them all is that they run on AA or AAA batteries :-) 73s Jack VK4JRC At 08:06 PM 1/7/2008, Rein wrote: Wrong again... * Every pskmail server has a local mailbox, so you can operate it without the internet connection. E,g, in some countries it is still forbidden to connect a radio to the internet, those are the countries which allow SSB on 30 mtrs by the way. For them the local mbox is the only solution. Just send your message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Pskmail also includes file transfer client-to-client 73, Rein PA0R narrow band modes. The requirement to communicate with a server to pass mail is not quite what I am looking for. No, just a standalone mailbox that someone can connect to, and leave a msg or, connect to and pickup a msg. Yes, PSKmail is close, but needs the server connection. 73s Jack VK4JRC Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked DRCC contest info : http://www.obriensweb.com/drcc.htm Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://pa0r.blogspirit.com Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked DRCC contest info : http://www.obriensweb.com/drcc.htm Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] A weekend of NBEMS: Some questions. now PSKmail!
Quite simply, I just see better range and performance using low power radios, on narrower bands. DominoEx would be fine :-) With all this mode advancement looking for MORE speed? Why? I get the impression some people would like to stream Hi Res Video over HF :-) I have to say I really appreciate the effort that software developers put into their work, just so other Hams can enjoy their hobby more, many of the programs for no cost, or small cost. I don't want to think what you would need to pay, in the commercial world for some of these programs. 73s Jack VK4JRC At 09:02 PM 1/7/2008, you wrote: Jack, yes, pskmail will work with PSK31 as well, in fact it will work with any mode that transports the complete set of ASCII characters (I am working on incorporating RTTY as well). But you will find PSK63 almost as good as PSK31, and a bit less sensitive to frequency stability. I am sure any of the server ops will open a PSK63 channel for you if you need it. We can also run modes like DominoEx if you need it. I know what you mean with the PSION, I used a PSION 3a, and I wrote a CW contest keyer and a contest log program for it. (Does not work for the 5MX). 73, Rein Pa0R
Re: [digitalradio] A weekend of NBEMS: Some questions. now PSKmail!
ok, pity 73 de LA5VNA Steinar Rein Couperus skrev: No, but it uses (almost) the same protocol. Rein -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Gesendet: 07.01.08 12:16:11 An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Betreff: Re: [digitalradio] A weekend of NBEMS: Some questions. now PSKmail! Hi Rein Is this new windows software ; vbdigi.exe / flarq.exe compatible with your pskmail system ? 73 de LA5VNA Steinar Rein Couperus skrev: Jack, yes, pskmail will work with PSK31 as well, in fact it will work with any mode that transports the complete set of ASCII characters (I am working on incorporating RTTY as well). But you will find PSK63 almost as good as PSK31, and a bit less sensitive to frequency stability. I am sure any of the server ops will open a PSK63 channel for you if you need it. We can also run modes like DominoEx if you need it. I know what you mean with the PSION, I used a PSION 3a, and I wrote a CW contest keyer and a contest log program for it. (Does not work for the 5MX). 73, Rein Pa0R -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Gesendet: 07.01.08 11:48:46 An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Betreff: Re: [digitalradio] A weekend of NBEMS: Some questions. now PSKmail! Rein, I did finally get your Puppy ISO to work on my laptop, it was your latest Ham Puppy version I downloaded today , Fldigi fired up ok, with the Tigertronics SL USB interface. Question...Can PSKmail use PSK31 mode? My reason is that I only have a 10 watt ICOM 703 radio, for my portable ops. So..signals are not strong, and I have no need for higher data rates of PSK250. The reason for all this is that I am going on a motorcycle trip in South Africa, where there are not many stations, so I will probably be communicating to others outside the country, IF there are any PSKmail operators I can hear :-) My reasoning for trying to get around PSKmail was to try and avoid carrying a laptop. With the old type TNCs, you can use an AA battery powered RS232 terminal to drive them. I have one of these, works great on Packet TNCs. Also on Amtor, Pactor and PSK31 with SCS PTC-IIEx TNC http://www.ciao.co.uk/Psion_Workabout_Mx__5378172 Also the Psion 3MX too http://www.bioeddie.co.uk/models/psion-series-3mx.htm With these units, I just use the on board Comms Program. IF I use my Palm IIIx, I have the On Line comms program (now discontinued) from Mark Space in the U.S. It has macros and a few other features too. NONE of the above can use soundcard software. The good thing about them all is that they run on AA or AAA batteries :-) 73s Jack VK4JRC At 08:06 PM 1/7/2008, Rein wrote: Wrong again... * Every pskmail server has a local mailbox, so you can operate it without the internet connection. E,g, in some countries it is still forbidden to connect a radio to the internet, those are the countries which allow SSB on 30 mtrs by the way. For them the local mbox is the only solution. Just send your message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Pskmail also includes file transfer client-to-client 73, Rein PA0R narrow band modes. The requirement to communicate with a server to pass mail is not quite what I am looking for. No, just a standalone mailbox that someone can connect to, and leave a msg or, connect to and pickup a msg. Yes, PSKmail is close, but needs the server connection. 73s Jack VK4JRC Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked DRCC contest info : http://www.obriensweb.com/drcc.htm Yahoo! Groups Links Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked DRCC contest info : http://www.obriensweb.com/drcc.htm Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] A weekend of NBEMS: Some questions.
1. Did anyone use it on VHF or UHF this weekend ? It seems that it would be perfect for these quiet frequency ranges, file transfers at PSK250 should really be very useful It is designed primarily for VHF in the choice of modes, narrow bandwidth and not handling much QSB so no need for wider multitone modes that work further into the noise. 2. Did anyone try MFSK16 ARQ Does not work well, because the latency of MFSK16 means the first ARQ control code to start a sequence has passed before the decoder can decode it. Same problem with DominoEx. This was a desired choice also for VHF - wider, but less critical tuning, but the latency prevented it from working. 3. Has anyone established a protocol for who goes first when a few stations beacon and hear each other ? Not that I know of. We are going to disable having more than one station or two connected stations sending a message at the same time. Too confusing! 4. Is there any practical use for the email feature. It works well , but is it not easier to send via the Internet unless in an emcomm situation ? NBEMS is intended to be used primarily for personal emcomm messaging or point-to-point communications backup when all else fails. When the Internet is accessible, of course it is more desirable. 5. Where should we hang out if we are looking for email? Please don't hang out looking for email! If you are a served agency that assigns someone to monitor the band for traffic, or meet a sked, when normal communications are available, NBEMS is useful, but why clutter up the airwaves with email or messaging? The ham bands are primarily for amateur radio hobbiests to talk to other amateur radio hobbiests, not as a slow replacement for the Internet or text messaging. 6. Anyone come up with some emcomm tasks for this software package? How do we test this for emergency communication drills/event ? First the system must be validated and bugs worked out. Then it can be deployed by emcomm groups. We have only released NBEMS for beta testing, not for deployment, and are still making changes. We do appreciate the members of this group for taking the time to give NBEMS a try. 7 Is ALE 400 better ? Possibly, for HF where there is QSB to contend with. For VHF, PSK250 on a non-fading path has a speed advantage, I think. 8. Is it just me, or does the passage of ARQ files between two stations invoke FLARQ reception on a third station that is on same frequency ? It is not you. I have experienced the same thing. Of course a third-party station cannot request fills. We are still refining flarq based on the experiences already gained on HF. Hope this answers some of the questions, at least from my viewpoint. Other's may feel differently. One undocumented feature is the ability of VBdigi to seek for a directional CQ, but still needs some work. The way this works is that a station with emergency traffic repetitively calls CQ EM for example, and VBdigi will scan the passband up and down until it stops on such a CQ. In a widescale disaster, there may be many stations trying to pass emergency messages, and VBdigi will be able to find them without the operator having to stop and decode each one manually. Still some work to do on this feature, but it can only work if a narrowband mode is used, so that there are many stations in the passband (in the same area of the band). 73, Skip KH6TY
