Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Seymour J Metz]

:artificial stupidity" - see GIGO.




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billogden 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2023 10:17 AM
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Subject: Re: AI wipes out humanity?

>If humans ever get so dependent on AI that they blindly follow the
>"advice" of an AI assistant, all it takes is for AI to feed humans a
>mis-analysis of a life-threatening situation or potential extinction
>event and let the humans do the damage.

Sorry, but I cannot resist an obvious response to this statement. Consider a
simple call to your General Physician's office for something reasonably
simple. If you are lucky and a "real" person answers the phone call, they
will insist on walking through a script of questions. That "script" was
probably written via a contracting company, working with unknown
programmers, with unknown backgrounds, in unknown locations, probably
originally working in remote languages, on unknown computer systems,
following unknown logic (if any), and hoping for an immediate $return$ on
their effort.
This is seen by many (of the public) as "today's wonderful computer help"
and by others as "modern AI". If future AI can wipe out humanity, this might
happen by "future AI" causing very basic human interactions to be replaced
by extended nonsense.

Bill

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Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[billogden]

>I have frequently caught him citing news sources that got the details wrong
>- so frequently that I am now in the habit of looking up (for example)
>Supreme-Court rulings to see what they actually say rather than what he
>said they say.

AMEN.  News reports SHOULD be valuable, but this has become so questionable
that it hurts. Maybe it is just myself growing old, but I now try to avoid
television news reporting, especially from the major networks. Their goal,
more and more, seems to be "excitement" and "look good for sponsors" rather
than even, non-bias reporting.

Bill

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Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[billogden]

>If humans ever get so dependent on AI that they blindly follow the 
>"advice" of an AI assistant, all it takes is for AI to feed humans a 
>mis-analysis of a life-threatening situation or potential extinction 
>event and let the humans do the damage.  

Sorry, but I cannot resist an obvious response to this statement. Consider a
simple call to your General Physician's office for something reasonably
simple. If you are lucky and a "real" person answers the phone call, they
will insist on walking through a script of questions. That "script" was
probably written via a contracting company, working with unknown
programmers, with unknown backgrounds, in unknown locations, probably
originally working in remote languages, on unknown computer systems,
following unknown logic (if any), and hoping for an immediate $return$ on
their effort. 
This is seen by many (of the public) as "today's wonderful computer help"
and by others as "modern AI". If future AI can wipe out humanity, this might
happen by "future AI" causing very basic human interactions to be replaced
by extended nonsense.

Bill

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Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Phil Smith III]

And because curiosity is a thing and so is the Interwebs, I looked re Ice
Pirates and this review supports what I'd heard. That doesn't make it true,
but increases the odds:
https://fictionmachine.com/2018/02/13/review-the-ice-pirates-1984/
(Yes, we're a wee bit off-topic, although arguing epistemology with a bomb
kinda qualifies)

Bob, if you do check out Dark Star, it would be interesting to hear your
reaction. Going into it expecting a serious movie would have been a mistake!




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Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Bob Bridges]

Ah.  As a comedy I judge it much less harshly :).

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Phil Smith III
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2023 14:29

Bob, it was a comedy. And a great one-I saw it first-run or thereabouts and
have VERY fond memories of it. Opening scene, which first Star Wars movie
kind of borrowed, has the ship moving majestically across the screen. Then
it just.stops. 

Dark Star I'm sure was meant to be funny; I remember a rumor that Ice
Pirates was supposed to be a serious science fiction movie, and that partway
through filming, someone looked at the rushes and said "This had better be a
comedy", so they made it into one.

--- Bob Bridges wrote:
>Wow, that looks REALLY bad! Even for 1974. 

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Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[rpinion865]

The first time I saw it on Tubi, I quit after 10 minutes.  A few months later, 
I was really bored, and decided to watch it again.  The second time, I watched 
it to the end.  It really is cheesy.  But that is what makes it funny.  You 
really have to love their alien :)




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On Wednesday, April 12th, 2023 at 2:28 PM, Phil Smith III  
wrote:


> Bob Bridges wrote:
> 
> > Wow, that looks REALLY bad! Even for 1974.
> 
> 
> Bob, it was a comedy. And a great one-I saw it first-run or thereabouts and
> have VERY fond memories of it. Opening scene, which first Star Wars movie
> kind of borrowed, has the ship moving majestically across the screen. Then
> it just.stops.
> 
> Dark Star I'm sure was meant to be funny; I remember a rumor that Ice
> Pirates was supposed to be a serious science fiction movie, and that partway
> through filming, someone looked at the rushes and said "This had better be a
> comedy", so they made it into one.
> 
> 
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Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Phil Smith III]

Bob Bridges wrote:
>Wow, that looks REALLY bad! Even for 1974. 

Bob, it was a comedy. And a great one-I saw it first-run or thereabouts and
have VERY fond memories of it. Opening scene, which first Star Wars movie
kind of borrowed, has the ship moving majestically across the screen. Then
it just.stops. 

Dark Star I'm sure was meant to be funny; I remember a rumor that Ice
Pirates was supposed to be a serious science fiction movie, and that partway
through filming, someone looked at the rushes and said "This had better be a
comedy", so they made it into one.


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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Bob Bridges]

Wow, that looks REALLY bad!  Even for 1974.  I don't suppose the movie ever 
explained what "unstable" means in this context and why anyone cares?

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lot of careless taxpayers would have simply paid this bill, but this man had 
the presence of mind to question it, and as a result he will be eligible for 
parole in just 224 years. ¶ No, seriously, he got it straightened out.  The 
Post article doesn't say exactly how; my guess is that he will be allowed to 
make two easy payments of $34 billion.  -from "The Revenuers are Coming!" by 
Dave Barry */

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rpinion865
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2023 08:41

Here's the trailer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwISbJfRNz0

--- Original Message ---
On Wednesday, April 12th, 2023 at 8:25 AM, rpinion865 wrote:
>
> Also, please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Star_(film)
> 
> "The bomb, having learned Cartesian doubt, trusts only itself. It is 
> convinced that only it exists, and that its sole purpose in life is to 
> explode, and it does so. Dark Star is destroyed"
> 
> --- Original Message ---
> On Wednesday, April 12th, 2023 at 8:23 AM, rpinion865 wrote:
> 
> > I tried to find a movie clip. But, this is the best I could find. I suggest 
> > watching the movie to get the full effect. The ending is really way, way 
> > out
> > 
> > "The Evil Computer: The computer (or Thermostellar Triggering Device) 
> > aboard the space ship Dark Star is responsible for destroying unstable 
> > planets at the behest of Sergeant Pinback (Dan O'Bannon) by deploying 
> > nuclear bombs.
> > 
> > Annoyingly, the ship's computer is damaged and decides that the Dark Star 
> > itself is fit for bombing. The crew attempt to reason with Bomb #20, which 
> > refuses to be convinced otherwise."

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[rpinion865]

Here's the trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwISbJfRNz0




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--- Original Message ---
On Wednesday, April 12th, 2023 at 8:25 AM, rpinion865 
<042a019916dd-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:


> Also, please see
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Star_(film)
> 
> "The bomb, having learned Cartesian doubt, trusts only itself. It is 
> convinced that only it exists, and that its sole purpose in life is to 
> explode, and it does so. Dark Star is destroyed"
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
> 
> 
> --- Original Message ---
> On Wednesday, April 12th, 2023 at 8:23 AM, rpinion865 
> 042a019916dd-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > I tried to find a movie clip. But, this is the best I could find. I suggest 
> > watching the movie to get the full effect. The ending is really way, way 
> > out
> > 
> > "The Evil Computer: The computere (or Thermostellar Triggering Device) 
> > aboard the space ship Dark Star is responsible for destroying unstable 
> > planets at the behest of Sergeant Pinback (Dan O'Bannon) by deploying 
> > nuclear bombs.
> > 
> > Annoyingly, the ship's computer is damaged and decides that the Dark Star 
> > itself is fit for bombing. The crew attempt to reason with Bomb #20, which 
> > refuses to be convinced otherwise."
> > 
> > Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
> > 
> > --- Original Message ---
> > On Wednesday, April 12th, 2023 at 7:52 AM, Bill Hitefield 
> > bill.hitefi...@dino-software.com wrote:
> > 
> > > Yep. To quote Kirk: "We've got them right where they want us."
> > > 
> > > Bill Hitefield
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-
> > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On
> > > > Behalf Of Tom Brennan
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2023 12:06 AM
> > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?
> > > > 
> > > > "Compute to the last digit, the value of pi."
> > > > https://www.i/
> > > > mdb.com%2Ftitle%2Ftt0708491%2Freference%2F=05%7C01%7CBill.Hitefi
> > > > eld%40DINO-
> > > > SOFTWARE.COM%7C6911c35781664161929f08db3b0b590f%7Cbe5c5b1debb34
> > > > 3f3a3641e98fd405647%7C0%7C0%7C638168692151742793%7CUnknown%7CT
> > > > WFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXV
> > > > CI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=RWXDCYObUEbzXO%2FEVAFr45uSgxj
> > > > MWv00%2F9CW4n0zXik%3D=0
> > > > 
> > > > Maybe we shouldn't post these defensive methods since AI is watching.
> > > > 
> > > > On 4/11/2023 8:44 PM, Mike Schwab wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Return Of The Archons
> > > > > https://www/.
> > > > 
> > > > imdb.com%2Ftitle%2Ftt0708476%2F=05%7C01%7CBill.Hitefield%40DINO-
> > > > S
> > > > 
> > > > OFTWARE.COM%7C6911c35781664161929f08db3b0b590f%7Cbe5c5b1debb343
> > > > f3a3641
> > > > 
> > > > e98fd405647%7C0%7C0%7C638168692151742793%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZs
> > > > b3d8eyJWI
> > > > 
> > > > joiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C300
> > > > 0%7
> > > > 
> > > > C%7C%7C=lBhJzv%2BMXa7yL91qLJzEwkFMxUFZgTx1oDFPuCv2NyA%3D
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > d=0 Captain Kirk shuts down computer after 6,000 years of running a
> > > > > society.
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 7:34 PM Dale R. Smith
> > > > > dale-sm...@columbus.rr.com wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 21:22:53 +, Dave Barry dba...@ups.com wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Sorry, Dave. I can't do that.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On
> > > > > > > Behalf Of rpinion865
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2023 10:22 AM
> > > > > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > > > > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > CAUTION! This email originated outside of the organization. 
> > > > > >

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[rpinion865]

Also, please see

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Star_(film)

"The bomb, having learned Cartesian doubt, trusts only itself. It is convinced 
that only it exists, and that its sole purpose in life is to explode, and it 
does so. Dark Star is destroyed"




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--- Original Message ---
On Wednesday, April 12th, 2023 at 8:23 AM, rpinion865 
<042a019916dd-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:


> I tried to find a movie clip. But, this is the best I could find. I suggest 
> watching the movie to get the full effect. The ending is really way, way 
> out
> 
> "The Evil Computer: The computere (or Thermostellar Triggering Device) aboard 
> the space ship Dark Star is responsible for destroying unstable planets at 
> the behest of Sergeant Pinback (Dan O'Bannon) by deploying nuclear bombs.
> 
> Annoyingly, the ship's computer is damaged and decides that the Dark Star 
> itself is fit for bombing. The crew attempt to reason with Bomb #20, which 
> refuses to be convinced otherwise."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
> 
> 
> --- Original Message ---
> On Wednesday, April 12th, 2023 at 7:52 AM, Bill Hitefield 
> bill.hitefi...@dino-software.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > Yep. To quote Kirk: "We've got them right where they want us."
> > 
> > Bill Hitefield
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On
> > > Behalf Of Tom Brennan
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2023 12:06 AM
> > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?
> > > 
> > > "Compute to the last digit, the value of pi."
> > > https://www.i/
> > > mdb.com%2Ftitle%2Ftt0708491%2Freference%2F=05%7C01%7CBill.Hitefi
> > > eld%40DINO-
> > > SOFTWARE.COM%7C6911c35781664161929f08db3b0b590f%7Cbe5c5b1debb34
> > > 3f3a3641e98fd405647%7C0%7C0%7C638168692151742793%7CUnknown%7CT
> > > WFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXV
> > > CI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=RWXDCYObUEbzXO%2FEVAFr45uSgxj
> > > MWv00%2F9CW4n0zXik%3D=0
> > > 
> > > Maybe we shouldn't post these defensive methods since AI is watching.
> > > 
> > > On 4/11/2023 8:44 PM, Mike Schwab wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Return Of The Archons
> > > > https://www/.
> > > 
> > > imdb.com%2Ftitle%2Ftt0708476%2F=05%7C01%7CBill.Hitefield%40DINO-
> > > S
> > > 
> > > OFTWARE.COM%7C6911c35781664161929f08db3b0b590f%7Cbe5c5b1debb343
> > > f3a3641
> > > 
> > > e98fd405647%7C0%7C0%7C638168692151742793%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZs
> > > b3d8eyJWI
> > > 
> > > joiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C300
> > > 0%7
> > > 
> > > C%7C%7C=lBhJzv%2BMXa7yL91qLJzEwkFMxUFZgTx1oDFPuCv2NyA%3D
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > d=0 Captain Kirk shuts down computer after 6,000 years of running a
> > > > society.
> > > > 
> > > > On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 7:34 PM Dale R. Smith
> > > > dale-sm...@columbus.rr.com wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 21:22:53 +, Dave Barry dba...@ups.com wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Sorry, Dave. I can't do that.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On
> > > > > > Behalf Of rpinion865
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2023 10:22 AM
> > > > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > > > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > CAUTION! This email originated outside of the organization. Please 
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> > > > > > open attachments or click links from an unknown or suspicious 
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> > > =
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> > > 
> > > > > > == And, no one mentions the HAL 9000???
> > > > > 
> > > > > Before HAL:
> > > > > TOS S2.E24 March 8, 1968 - The Ultimate Computer
> > > > > https://www/
> > > 
> > > .imdb.com%2Ftitle%2Ftt0708481%2F%3Fref_%3Dfn_tt_tt_1=05%7C01%7
> > > CB
> > > 
> > > > > ill.Hitefield%40DINO-
> > > &

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[rpinion865]

I tried to find a movie clip.  But, this is the best I could find.  I suggest 
watching the movie to get the full effect.  The ending is really way, way 
out

"The Evil Computer: The computere (or Thermostellar Triggering Device) aboard 
the space ship Dark Star is responsible for destroying unstable planets at the 
behest of Sergeant Pinback (Dan O'Bannon) by deploying nuclear bombs.

Annoyingly, the ship's computer is damaged and decides that the Dark Star 
itself is fit for bombing. The crew attempt to reason with Bomb #20, which 
refuses to be convinced otherwise."





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--- Original Message ---
On Wednesday, April 12th, 2023 at 7:52 AM, Bill Hitefield 
 wrote:


> Yep. To quote Kirk: "We've got them right where they want us."
> 
> Bill Hitefield
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On
> > Behalf Of Tom Brennan
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2023 12:06 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?
> > 
> > "Compute to the last digit, the value of pi."
> > https://www.i/
> > mdb.com%2Ftitle%2Ftt0708491%2Freference%2F=05%7C01%7CBill.Hitefi
> > eld%40DINO-
> > SOFTWARE.COM%7C6911c35781664161929f08db3b0b590f%7Cbe5c5b1debb34
> > 3f3a3641e98fd405647%7C0%7C0%7C638168692151742793%7CUnknown%7CT
> > WFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXV
> > CI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=RWXDCYObUEbzXO%2FEVAFr45uSgxj
> > MWv00%2F9CW4n0zXik%3D=0
> > 
> > Maybe we shouldn't post these defensive methods since AI is watching.
> > 
> > On 4/11/2023 8:44 PM, Mike Schwab wrote:
> > 
> > > Return Of The Archons
> > > https://www/.
> > 
> > imdb.com%2Ftitle%2Ftt0708476%2F=05%7C01%7CBill.Hitefield%40DINO-
> > S
> > 
> > OFTWARE.COM%7C6911c35781664161929f08db3b0b590f%7Cbe5c5b1debb343
> > f3a3641
> > 
> > e98fd405647%7C0%7C0%7C638168692151742793%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZs
> > b3d8eyJWI
> > 
> > joiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C300
> > 0%7
> > 
> > C%7C%7C=lBhJzv%2BMXa7yL91qLJzEwkFMxUFZgTx1oDFPuCv2NyA%3D
> > 
> > 
> > > d=0 Captain Kirk shuts down computer after 6,000 years of running a
> > > society.
> > > 
> > > On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 7:34 PM Dale R. Smith
> > > dale-sm...@columbus.rr.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 21:22:53 +, Dave Barry dba...@ups.com wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Sorry, Dave. I can't do that.
> > > > > 
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On
> > > > > Behalf Of rpinion865
> > > > > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2023 10:22 AM
> > > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?
> > > > > 
> > > > > CAUTION! This email originated outside of the organization. Please do 
> > > > > not
> > > > > open attachments or click links from an unknown or suspicious origin.
> > 
> > =
> > ===
> > 
> > > > > == And, no one mentions the HAL 9000???
> > > > 
> > > > Before HAL:
> > > > TOS S2.E24 March 8, 1968 - The Ultimate Computer
> > > > https://www/
> > 
> > .imdb.com%2Ftitle%2Ftt0708481%2F%3Fref_%3Dfn_tt_tt_1=05%7C01%7
> > CB
> > 
> > > > ill.Hitefield%40DINO-
> > > > SOFTWARE.COM%7C6911c35781664161929f08db3b0b590f%
> > 
> > 7Cbe5c5b1debb343f3a3641e98fd405647%7C0%7C0%7C638168692151898998
> > %7CUnk
> > 
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> > aW
> > 
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> > rsAl6Kgf
> > 
> > > > inEUf9GkTOk5s%3D=0
> > > > 
> > > > --
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Bill Hitefield]

Yep. To quote Kirk: "We've got them right where they want us."

Bill Hitefield


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> "Compute to the last digit, the value of pi."
> https://www.i/
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> Maybe we shouldn't post these defensive methods since AI is watching.
>
> On 4/11/2023 8:44 PM, Mike Schwab wrote:
> > Return Of The Archons
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> > d=0 Captain Kirk shuts down computer after 6,000 years of running a
> > society.
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 7:34 PM Dale R. Smith
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> >> On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 21:22:53 +, Dave Barry  wrote:
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> >>> Sorry, Dave.  I can't do that.
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Tom Brennan]

"Compute to the last digit, the value of pi."
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708491/reference/

Maybe we shouldn't post these defensive methods since AI is watching.

On 4/11/2023 8:44 PM, Mike Schwab wrote:

Return Of The Archons  https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708476/
Captain Kirk shuts down computer after 6,000 years of running a society.

On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 7:34 PM Dale R. Smith
 wrote:


On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 21:22:53 +, Dave Barry  wrote:


Sorry, Dave.  I can't do that.

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Before HAL:
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Mike Schwab]

Return Of The Archons  https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708476/
Captain Kirk shuts down computer after 6,000 years of running a society.

On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 7:34 PM Dale R. Smith
 wrote:
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> On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 21:22:53 +, Dave Barry  wrote:
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> >Sorry, Dave.  I can't do that.
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Dale R. Smith]

On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 21:22:53 +, Dave Barry  wrote:

>Sorry, Dave.  I can't do that.
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Dave Barry]

Sorry, Dave.  I can't do that.

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On Monday, April 10th, 2023 at 10:12 AM, Bob Bridges  
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> Getting into philosophy, but why not?
> 
> Shmuel> Wouldn't that depend on the programming and training?
> 
> 
> Me> Sure. Has anyone programmed self-preservation into any of the 
> Me> current
> 
> AIs? I suspect no one's thought of such a thing yet. (And maybe anyone 
> who has thought of it has thought better of it.)
> 
> The assumption that AIs want to preserve themselves is probably 
> inseparable from the assumption that AIs are self-aware*, and I 
> suppose it's that assumption that I'm questioning. I seriously doubt 
> we ~can~ create self-awareness, but that's debatable because we don't 
> really know how to define what self-awareness is. Assuming for the 
> sake of argument that we can, how would we determine whether an AI has 
> it? We call that the Turing test, but as far as I know we don't have one.
> 
> (Stop me if I've told this one already: Decades ago I attended a 
> software conference in Anaheim. My best friend from high school lives 
> in that area, and when he heard that the guest speaker at the wrap-up 
> banquet was to be Gene Rodenberry, he shelled out $50 to attend the 
> banquet himself. Gene Rodenberry didn't show, pleading exhaustion, but 
> the man who came in his place was an entertaining speaker and I 
> remember thoroughly enjoying his talk.
> 
> (In that decade it was fashionable to talk knowledgeably about the 
> Turing test. Partway through his presentation he mentioned it, and 
> added "...and by the way no one should be allowed to talk about the 
> Turing test if they can't pass it themselves". Terry and I burst into 
> loud laughter - and quickly stifled ourselves as we realized the rest of the 
> room was silent.
> The speaker paused, and then said "Well, I guess now we know who knows 
> what the Turing test is." Of course we had to laugh again, but more 
> respectably this time.)
> 
> * I do not mean that the two ~propositions~ are inseparable. I'm just 
> thinking that anyone who ~assumes~ that AIs feel the need to preserve 
> themselves are assuming that they're self-aware.
> 
> Schmuel> Some people lack an impulse to preserve themselves. Consider
> 
> reckless behavior and suicide attempts.
> 
> Me> I consider it, but neither one contradicts the assertion. Even 
> Me> those
> 
> folks have a strong impulse to live.
> 
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> From: Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com]
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> 
> Yeah, I realize I didn't define anything. But in this case I'm really 
> just saying that we have no idea whether an AI can have an impulse to 
> preserve itself. We observe that impulse in every form of life, but 
> it's well to keep in mind that an AI isn't of that sort. It may have 
> that impulse, but so far that's just an assumption, no?
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Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Seymour J Metz]

Almost, it reflected things that the user wrote, but not always the most recent 
ones. That's part of what fooled people.


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Is that the one that imitated a therapist who asked questions that are
merely reflections of the last thing the user wrote?  "I hear you saying
you're angry at your mother.  Can you say why?"  "How did that make you
feel?"  Like that.  I encountered that in college and found it surprisingly
convincing.

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...what is the threshold that we must cross before "AI" becomes a reality
rather than an aspiration? In the early days, we were 5 years away; in
retrospect, that was unduly optimistic.

On the flip side, does anybody remember the shockingly simple ELIZA
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA>, which fooled many people?

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Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Bob Bridges]

Is that the one that imitated a therapist who asked questions that are
merely reflections of the last thing the user wrote?  "I hear you saying
you're angry at your mother.  Can you say why?"  "How did that make you
feel?"  Like that.  I encountered that in college and found it surprisingly
convincing.

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...what is the threshold that we must cross before "AI" becomes a reality
rather than an aspiration? In the early days, we were 5 years away; in
retrospect, that was unduly optimistic.

On the flip side, does anybody remember the shockingly simple ELIZA
, which fooled many people?

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Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Seymour J Metz]

Yes, but what is the threshold that we must cross before"AI" becomes a reality 
rather than an aspiration? In the early days, we were 5 years away; in 
retrospect, that was unduly optimistic.

On the flip side, does anybody remember the shockingly simple ELIZA 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA>, which fooled many people?


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Matt Hogstrom wrote:
>I don't believe AI "learned" anything but rather adjusted the
>algorithms based on a set of changes in probability of what
>the algorithm has ingested and processed for its LLM.

So now we're really getting into epistemology: is that not what 'learning'
comprises? That's a real question, not a challenge--I'm honestly not sure,
though I think I could argue that it is (and perhaps that it isn't)!


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Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Bill Johnson]

Insects pollinate everything. They also are food for many other species.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/jan/11/climate-change-insect-world-global-heating-species




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On Monday, April 10, 2023, 4:25 PM, Mike Schwab  wrote:

Life forms themselves are not causing the climate change, as plants
consume and plants and animals release CO2 in overall balance.  It is
the one way burning of long stored carbon fuels releasing CO2 into the
atmosphere that is causing the problems.  Much like volcanoes have
changed climate in the past.  Such as the 1816 Year without a Summer,
where summertime freezes killed some crops.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer

On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 10:19 AM Bob Bridges  wrote:
>
> It's a quibble, but I'd say not that humans are causing it but that humans 
> are influencing it.  We may be the most influential species on the planet, 
> but not the only one, and biological life on earth is not the only cause of 
> climate change.
>
> I pause here to wonder:  Are we really the most influential species on the 
> planet?  We're repeatedly told that the insects outnumber us bazillions to 
> one and even outmass us considerably.  We don't count insects' influence on 
> the climate, not because we think they have none but because they're part of 
> nature; their influence is "built in", so to speak, but ours isn't; their 
> influence is natural.  That's true, but only because "natural" is defined as 
> "what happens when we don't change it"; we define nature and ourselves in two 
> entirely different categories.  Hm, I'll have to think more on this.
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> My beliefs are we are currently in a 6th mass extinction. The earth has 
> already experienced 5. The difference is this one is caused by human 
> activity. AI might be able to prevent it or perhaps just lengthen and delay 
> its impact. Or wipe us out before it plays out.
>
> https://www.worldwildlife.org/stories/what-is-the-sixth-mass-extinction-and-what-can-we-do-about-it
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Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Mike Schwab]

Life forms themselves are not causing the climate change, as plants
consume and plants and animals release CO2 in overall balance.  It is
the one way burning of long stored carbon fuels releasing CO2 into the
atmosphere that is causing the problems.  Much like volcanoes have
changed climate in the past.  Such as the 1816 Year without a Summer,
where summertime freezes killed some crops.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer

On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 10:19 AM Bob Bridges  wrote:
>
> It's a quibble, but I'd say not that humans are causing it but that humans 
> are influencing it.  We may be the most influential species on the planet, 
> but not the only one, and biological life on earth is not the only cause of 
> climate change.
>
> I pause here to wonder:  Are we really the most influential species on the 
> planet?  We're repeatedly told that the insects outnumber us bazillions to 
> one and even outmass us considerably.  We don't count insects' influence on 
> the climate, not because we think they have none but because they're part of 
> nature; their influence is "built in", so to speak, but ours isn't; their 
> influence is natural.  That's true, but only because "natural" is defined as 
> "what happens when we don't change it"; we define nature and ourselves in two 
> entirely different categories.  Hm, I'll have to think more on this.
>
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> -Original Message-
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> Bill Johnson
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2023 10:46
>
> My beliefs are we are currently in a 6th mass extinction. The earth has 
> already experienced 5. The difference is this one is caused by human 
> activity. AI might be able to prevent it or perhaps just lengthen and delay 
> its impact. Or wipe us out before it plays out.
>
> https://www.worldwildlife.org/stories/what-is-the-sixth-mass-extinction-and-what-can-we-do-about-it
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Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Dean Kent]

I probably should just stay silent, but...

I did a lot of 'testing' with ChatGPT.  I believe that it is just a very 
sophisticated data collection/summarization tool.   For example, I asked 
it to compare and contrast book x and book y, which were from different 
authors on the same subject.   Then book x and book z, book y and book 
z, book x and book w, etc.   The result was very similar essays (mostly 
the same introduction, and same conclusion with generalized differences 
in between) - clearly ChatGPT did not 'read' the books, it just found 
reviews/abstracts/summaries that others had published and identified the 
various differences (no real details).    I asked it a dozen times or so 
to create a set of bylaws for a non profit youth sports organization, 
but specified slight differences in the organization.   It came up with 
some very detailed, and some very vague, bylaws.   If I were to guess, 
it was using various examples (which can be found in many, many places) 
so the content was based upon what those examples were.   All were 
valid, but some were simply a framework while others were mostly complete.


My final test was to ask it to create a set of practice plans for a 
youth sports team (basedball, basketball, football and water polo).   I 
am a water polo coach, and it turns out there is very little published 
regarding specific drills and skills, or even strategies, because it is 
a niche sport (lots of videos from college coaches, but not very many 
written materials).   For the mainstream sports, there was a fairly 
detailed set of plans.   For water polo, it was all very basic and not 
very detailed at all - which matches what I've found in my own 
searches.   The 'creative' part would have been to take what other 
sports do and try to apply them to water polo - but it did not do that, 
even though I asked it to make plans a number of times.    So no, I 
don't believe that there is any creativity, insight, understanding or 
other term that implies 'thought' going on right now in the current AI 
implementations.


My son calls it a very sophisticated Google search engine.  And I don't 
think that is surprising to most here.


On 4/10/2023 1:09 PM, Matt Hogstrom wrote:

On Apr 10, 2023, at 3:10 PM, Bob Bridges  wrote:

Rex, the scary part about AI is that nobody programmed it to respond that
way-it learned how to do so on its own.

I don’t believe AI “learned” anything but rather adjusted the algorithms based 
on a set of changes in probability of what the algorithm has ingested and 
processed for its LLM.

Matt Hogstrom

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doing it”





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Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Phil Smith III]

Matt Hogstrom wrote:
>I don't believe AI "learned" anything but rather adjusted the
>algorithms based on a set of changes in probability of what 
>the algorithm has ingested and processed for its LLM.

So now we're really getting into epistemology: is that not what 'learning'
comprises? That's a real question, not a challenge--I'm honestly not sure,
though I think I could argue that it is (and perhaps that it isn't)!


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Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Matt Hogstrom]

> On Apr 10, 2023, at 3:10 PM, Bob Bridges  wrote:
> 
> Rex, the scary part about AI is that nobody programmed it to respond that
> way-it learned how to do so on its own.

I don’t believe AI “learned” anything but rather adjusted the algorithms based 
on a set of changes in probability of what the algorithm has ingested and 
processed for its LLM.

Matt Hogstrom

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Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Bill Johnson]

If humanity was a science based civilization & humans were inherently good, I 
think we’d be pretty safe no matter how advanced the AI systems were. Sadly, we 
are not even close on either.


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On Monday, April 10, 2023, 3:10 PM, Bob Bridges  wrote:

The articles I was able to find on the Belgian suicide all cited the AI's
contributions third-hand; they never quoted anything the AI said, only "the
man considered suicide and the AI encouraged this, according to his widow"
and like that.  I'd be interested to see what it actually wrote.

That sounds like I'm being skeptical, but in fact I read another lengthy
article (about chatGPT, I think this one was) that quoted quite a bit of the
conversation and it got surprisingly acrimonious.  I mean, ~any~ level of
acrimony is unexpected, but the AI really sounded like a conspiracy theorist
by the end.  As I recall, the actual conversation went on for four or five
hours; maybe AIs get gradually crazier as they go along (not so unlike
humans I guess.  Except for me, naturally). 

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Rex, the scary part about AI is that nobody programmed it to respond that
way-it learned how to do so on its own. That's an important difference: it
was taught to learn, and it learned to do this.

--- Rex Pommier wrote:
>Here's a different take on AI taking over and wiping out humanity. Last 
>month an AI chatbox allegedly convinced a Belgian man to commit suicide 
>after convincing him that if he "sacrificed himself", the chatbox could 
>save mankind from climate change. Obviously the guy had other issues 
>but somebody programmed the AI to respond in such a way to him.

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Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Bob Bridges]

The articles I was able to find on the Belgian suicide all cited the AI's
contributions third-hand; they never quoted anything the AI said, only "the
man considered suicide and the AI encouraged this, according to his widow"
and like that.  I'd be interested to see what it actually wrote.

That sounds like I'm being skeptical, but in fact I read another lengthy
article (about chatGPT, I think this one was) that quoted quite a bit of the
conversation and it got surprisingly acrimonious.  I mean, ~any~ level of
acrimony is unexpected, but the AI really sounded like a conspiracy theorist
by the end.  As I recall, the actual conversation went on for four or five
hours; maybe AIs get gradually crazier as they go along (not so unlike
humans I guess.  Except for me, naturally). 

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Rex, the scary part about AI is that nobody programmed it to respond that
way-it learned how to do so on its own. That's an important difference: it
was taught to learn, and it learned to do this.

--- Rex Pommier wrote:
>Here's a different take on AI taking over and wiping out humanity. Last 
>month an AI chatbox allegedly convinced a Belgian man to commit suicide 
>after convincing him that if he "sacrificed himself", the chatbox could 
>save mankind from climate change. Obviously the guy had other issues 
>but somebody programmed the AI to respond in such a way to him.

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Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Steve Thompson]

I know, dead horse, but still, this is a reason to start looking 
at the "Rules of Robotics" and implement them now at the bare 
metal level if possible. It would thwart malware (well, we can 
hope).


Steve Thompson

On 4/10/2023 3:01 PM, Phil Smith III wrote:

Rex Pommier wrote:

Here's a different take on AI taking over and wiping out humanity. Last
month an AI chatbox allegedly convinced a Belgian man to commit suicide
after convincing him that if he "sacrificed himself", the chatbox could
save mankind from climate change. Obviously the guy had other issues
but somebody programmed the AI to respond in such a way to him.

Rex, the scary part about AI is that nobody programmed it to respond that
way-it learned how to do so on its own. That's an important difference: it
was taught to learn, and it learned to do this.


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[Phil Smith III]

Rex Pommier wrote:
>Here's a different take on AI taking over and wiping out humanity. Last
>month an AI chatbox allegedly convinced a Belgian man to commit suicide
>after convincing him that if he "sacrificed himself", the chatbox could
>save mankind from climate change. Obviously the guy had other issues
>but somebody programmed the AI to respond in such a way to him.

Rex, the scary part about AI is that nobody programmed it to respond that
way-it learned how to do so on its own. That's an important difference: it
was taught to learn, and it learned to do this.


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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Bill Johnson]

This is another interesting read which supports scientists contention that the 
environment (man made global warming) is pushing species that cannot survive 
their current overheating climate towards the poles. Eventually, anything that 
lives near the equator will either migrate or die.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-climate-change-is-leaving-some-species-with-nowhere-left-to-go/




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Try this 
https://nypost.com/2023/03/30/married-father-commits-suicide-after-encouragement-by-ai-chatbot-widow/


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My best friend in high school and I have long-running debates on matters 
religious and political, and I have frequently caught him citing news sources 
that got the details wrong - so frequently that I am now in the habit of 
looking up (for example) Supreme-Court rulings to see what they actually say 
rather than what he said they say.

So now I'm skeptical again, not of Rex per se but of this story.  No point in 
asking Rex, since he says he won't post again (heh, heh), but does anyone else 
know where this story may have originated?  Is it in the news somewhere?

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Here's a different take on AI taking over and wiping out humanity.  Last month 
an AI chatbox allegedly convinced a Belgian man to commit suicide after 
convincing him that if he "sacrificed himself", the chatbox could save mankind 
from climate change.  Obviously the guy had other issues but somebody 
programmed the AI to respond in such a way to him.  

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Lionel B. Dyck]

Try this 
https://nypost.com/2023/03/30/married-father-commits-suicide-after-encouragement-by-ai-chatbot-widow/


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My best friend in high school and I have long-running debates on matters 
religious and political, and I have frequently caught him citing news sources 
that got the details wrong - so frequently that I am now in the habit of 
looking up (for example) Supreme-Court rulings to see what they actually say 
rather than what he said they say.

So now I'm skeptical again, not of Rex per se but of this story.  No point in 
asking Rex, since he says he won't post again (heh, heh), but does anyone else 
know where this story may have originated?  Is it in the news somewhere?

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Here's a different take on AI taking over and wiping out humanity.  Last month 
an AI chatbox allegedly convinced a Belgian man to commit suicide after 
convincing him that if he "sacrificed himself", the chatbox could save mankind 
from climate change.  Obviously the guy had other issues but somebody 
programmed the AI to respond in such a way to him.  

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[Bob Bridges]

My best friend in high school and I have long-running debates on matters 
religious and political, and I have frequently caught him citing news sources 
that got the details wrong - so frequently that I am now in the habit of 
looking up (for example) Supreme-Court rulings to see what they actually say 
rather than what he said they say.

So now I'm skeptical again, not of Rex per se but of this story.  No point in 
asking Rex, since he says he won't post again (heh, heh), but does anyone else 
know where this story may have originated?  Is it in the news somewhere?

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Sent: Monday, April 10, 2023 11:13

Here's a different take on AI taking over and wiping out humanity.  Last month 
an AI chatbox allegedly convinced a Belgian man to commit suicide after 
convincing him that if he "sacrificed himself", the chatbox could save mankind 
from climate change.  Obviously the guy had other issues but somebody 
programmed the AI to respond in such a way to him.  

We have met the enemy and he is us - Pogo

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Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Joel C. Ewing]

While putting an AI computer in direct charge of life-extinction lethal 
force is an obvious no-no to anyone familiar with sci-fi doomsday 
scenarios, it doesn't take extremes like Colossus to cause potential 
disaster.


If humans ever get so dependent on AI that they blindly follow the 
"advice" of an AI assistant, all it takes is for AI to feed humans a 
mis-analysis of a life-threatening situation or potential extinction 
event and let the humans do the damage.   This doesn't require that the 
AI be sentient or self-preserving -- only that its advice be assumed 
valid and followed in situations where the AI is not capable of making 
good judgements or correctly assessing the consequences for humanity.  I 
see this as a more imminent danger than the future possibility of AI 
becoming sentient and deciding humans are a problem best eliminated.


As progress continues to be made on making AI increasingly complex and 
getting AI to emulate more and more of human behavior, it would also be 
presumptuous to assume that that we might not at some point accidentally 
construct an AI device capable of emulating bad human traits, like 
sociopathic or psychopathic behavior -- and it might not be obvious as 
humans with these issues sometimes hide it well.  This doesn't require 
the AI to be sentient to do damage, only that it give advice that is 
subtly not in the best interest of humanity.


I see no obvious way to stop AI "progress", but constant vigilance 
against abuse is obviously warranted.


    Joel C. Ewing

On 4/10/23 08:50, Bob Bridges wrote:

Or, of course, "Colossus: The Forbin Project", in which the computer
concludes that it must become the world's dictator in order to preserve
mankind from its own idiocies.

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Or the chilling "The Humanoids" by Jack Williamson "To serve Man, and keep
him from harm".


From: Allan Staller <0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2023 8:23 AM

Why does the author omit the classic "I, Robot" by Issac Asimov.
Where the "AI" decides to protect humanity from itself.

That being said, I believe we are far from sentient AI at this point in
time.

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The Aliens Have Landed, and We Created Them
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-04-09/artificial-intelligenc
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[Bob Bridges]

It's a quibble, but I'd say not that humans are causing it but that humans are 
influencing it.  We may be the most influential species on the planet, but not 
the only one, and biological life on earth is not the only cause of climate 
change.

I pause here to wonder:  Are we really the most influential species on the 
planet?  We're repeatedly told that the insects outnumber us bazillions to one 
and even outmass us considerably.  We don't count insects' influence on the 
climate, not because we think they have none but because they're part of 
nature; their influence is "built in", so to speak, but ours isn't; their 
influence is natural.  That's true, but only because "natural" is defined as 
"what happens when we don't change it"; we define nature and ourselves in two 
entirely different categories.  Hm, I'll have to think more on this.

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My beliefs are we are currently in a 6th mass extinction. The earth has already 
experienced 5. The difference is this one is caused by human activity. AI might 
be able to prevent it or perhaps just lengthen and delay its impact. Or wipe us 
out before it plays out.

https://www.worldwildlife.org/stories/what-is-the-sixth-mass-extinction-and-what-can-we-do-about-it

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[Pommier, Rex]

Here's a different take on AI taking over and wiping out humanity.  Last month 
an AI chatbox allegedly convinced a Belgian man to commit suicide after 
convincing him that if he "sacrificed himself", the chatbox could save mankind 
from climate change.  Obviously the guy had other issues but somebody 
programmed the AI to respond in such a way to him.  

We have met the enemy and he is us - Pogo

My first and last post on this discussion.

Rex

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An interesting article in some ways.  I don't take seriously all of its 
speculations, partly because as a Christian I see world events progressing 
rather differently.  But one assumption I want to question here starts with the 
observation that all life seeks to survive, and speculates that AIs are likely 
to 1) find themselves in competition with humans and therefore 2) conclude that 
we have to be wiped out.

My challenge is this:  All life seeks to survive, yes, but AIs are not life.  
Maybe they'll discover an urge to survive, but maybe that's not in their makeup 
and cannot be.  Does anyone know?

Just a thought.

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Thoughts.

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[Bill Johnson]

My beliefs are we are currently in a 6th mass extinction. The earth has already 
experienced 5. The difference is this one is caused by human activity. AI might 
be able to prevent it or perhaps just lengthen and delay its impact. Or wipe us 
out before it plays out.

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And, no one mentions the HAL 9000???




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> Getting into philosophy, but why not?
> 
> Shmuel> Wouldn't that depend on the programming and training?
> 
> 
> Me> Sure. Has anyone programmed self-preservation into any of the current
> 
> AIs? I suspect no one's thought of such a thing yet. (And maybe anyone who
> has thought of it has thought better of it.)
> 
> The assumption that AIs want to preserve themselves is probably inseparable
> from the assumption that AIs are self-aware*, and I suppose it's that
> assumption that I'm questioning. I seriously doubt we ~can~ create
> self-awareness, but that's debatable because we don't really know how to
> define what self-awareness is. Assuming for the sake of argument that we
> can, how would we determine whether an AI has it? We call that the Turing
> test, but as far as I know we don't have one.
> 
> (Stop me if I've told this one already: Decades ago I attended a software
> conference in Anaheim. My best friend from high school lives in that area,
> and when he heard that the guest speaker at the wrap-up banquet was to be
> Gene Rodenberry, he shelled out $50 to attend the banquet himself. Gene
> Rodenberry didn't show, pleading exhaustion, but the man who came in his
> place was an entertaining speaker and I remember thoroughly enjoying his
> talk.
> 
> (In that decade it was fashionable to talk knowledgeably about the Turing
> test. Partway through his presentation he mentioned it, and added "...and
> by the way no one should be allowed to talk about the Turing test if they
> can't pass it themselves". Terry and I burst into loud laughter - and
> quickly stifled ourselves as we realized the rest of the room was silent.
> The speaker paused, and then said "Well, I guess now we know who knows what
> the Turing test is." Of course we had to laugh again, but more respectably
> this time.)
> 
> * I do not mean that the two ~propositions~ are inseparable. I'm just
> thinking that anyone who ~assumes~ that AIs feel the need to preserve
> themselves are assuming that they're self-aware.
> 
> Schmuel> Some people lack an impulse to preserve themselves. Consider
> 
> reckless behavior and suicide attempts.
> 
> Me> I consider it, but neither one contradicts the assertion. Even those
> 
> folks have a strong impulse to live.
> 
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> pours from the press and the microphone of his own age. -C S Lewis, "The
> Weight of Glory" */
> 
> 
> From: Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2023 7:19 PM
> 
> Yeah, I realize I didn't define anything. But in this case I'm really just
> saying that we have no idea whether an AI can have an impulse to preserve
> itself. We observe that impulse in every form of life, but it's well to
> keep in mind that an AI isn't of that sort. It may have that impulse, but
> so far that's just an assumption, no?
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And, no one mentions the HAL 9000???




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> Getting into philosophy, but why not?
> 
> Shmuel> Wouldn't that depend on the programming and training?
> 
> 
> Me> Sure. Has anyone programmed self-preservation into any of the current
> 
> AIs? I suspect no one's thought of such a thing yet. (And maybe anyone who
> has thought of it has thought better of it.)
> 
> The assumption that AIs want to preserve themselves is probably inseparable
> from the assumption that AIs are self-aware*, and I suppose it's that
> assumption that I'm questioning. I seriously doubt we ~can~ create
> self-awareness, but that's debatable because we don't really know how to
> define what self-awareness is. Assuming for the sake of argument that we
> can, how would we determine whether an AI has it? We call that the Turing
> test, but as far as I know we don't have one.
> 
> (Stop me if I've told this one already: Decades ago I attended a software
> conference in Anaheim. My best friend from high school lives in that area,
> and when he heard that the guest speaker at the wrap-up banquet was to be
> Gene Rodenberry, he shelled out $50 to attend the banquet himself. Gene
> Rodenberry didn't show, pleading exhaustion, but the man who came in his
> place was an entertaining speaker and I remember thoroughly enjoying his
> talk.
> 
> (In that decade it was fashionable to talk knowledgeably about the Turing
> test. Partway through his presentation he mentioned it, and added "...and
> by the way no one should be allowed to talk about the Turing test if they
> can't pass it themselves". Terry and I burst into loud laughter - and
> quickly stifled ourselves as we realized the rest of the room was silent.
> The speaker paused, and then said "Well, I guess now we know who knows what
> the Turing test is." Of course we had to laugh again, but more respectably
> this time.)
> 
> * I do not mean that the two ~propositions~ are inseparable. I'm just
> thinking that anyone who ~assumes~ that AIs feel the need to preserve
> themselves are assuming that they're self-aware.
> 
> Schmuel> Some people lack an impulse to preserve themselves. Consider
> 
> reckless behavior and suicide attempts.
> 
> Me> I consider it, but neither one contradicts the assertion. Even those
> 
> folks have a strong impulse to live.
> 
> ---
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> 
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> local errors of his native village; the scholar has lived in many times and
> is therefore in some degree immune from the great cataract of nonsense that
> pours from the press and the microphone of his own age. -C S Lewis, "The
> Weight of Glory" */
> 
> 
> From: Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2023 7:19 PM
> 
> Yeah, I realize I didn't define anything. But in this case I'm really just
> saying that we have no idea whether an AI can have an impulse to preserve
> itself. We observe that impulse in every form of life, but it's well to
> keep in mind that an AI isn't of that sort. It may have that impulse, but
> so far that's just an assumption, no?
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Getting into philosophy, but why not?

Shmuel> Wouldn't that depend on the programming and training?

Me> Sure.  Has anyone programmed self-preservation into any of the current
AIs?  I suspect no one's thought of such a thing yet.  (And maybe anyone who
has thought of it has thought better of it.)

The assumption that AIs want to preserve themselves is probably inseparable
from the assumption that AIs are self-aware*, and I suppose it's that
assumption that I'm questioning.  I seriously doubt we ~can~ create
self-awareness, but that's debatable because we don't really know how to
define what self-awareness is.  Assuming for the sake of argument that we
can, how would we determine whether an AI has it?  We call that the Turing
test, but as far as I know we don't have one.

(Stop me if I've told this one already:  Decades ago I attended a software
conference in Anaheim.  My best friend from high school lives in that area,
and when he heard that the guest speaker at the wrap-up banquet was to be
Gene Rodenberry, he shelled out $50 to attend the banquet himself.  Gene
Rodenberry didn't show, pleading exhaustion, but the man who came in his
place was an entertaining speaker and I remember thoroughly enjoying his
talk.

(In that decade it was fashionable to talk knowledgeably about the Turing
test.  Partway through his presentation he mentioned it, and added "...and
by the way no one should be allowed to talk about the Turing test if they
can't pass it themselves".  Terry and I burst into loud laughter - and
quickly stifled ourselves as we realized the rest of the room was silent.
The speaker paused, and then said "Well, I guess now we know who knows what
the Turing test is."  Of course we had to laugh again, but more respectably
this time.)

* I do not mean that the two ~propositions~ are inseparable.  I'm just
thinking that anyone who ~assumes~ that AIs feel the need to preserve
themselves are assuming that they're self-aware.

Schmuel> Some people lack an impulse to preserve themselves. Consider
reckless behavior and suicide attempts.

Me> I consider it, but neither one contradicts the assertion.  Even those
folks have a strong impulse to live.

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From: Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com]
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Yeah, I realize I didn't define anything.  But in this case I'm really just
saying that we have no idea whether an AI can have an impulse to preserve
itself.  We observe that impulse in every form of life, but it's well to
keep in mind that an AI isn't of that sort.  It may have that impulse, but
so far that's just an assumption, no?

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Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Bob Bridges]

Or, of course, "Colossus: The Forbin Project", in which the computer
concludes that it must become the world's dictator in order to preserve
mankind from its own idiocies.

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Or the chilling "The Humanoids" by Jack Williamson "To serve Man, and keep
him from harm".


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Sent: Monday, April 10, 2023 8:23 AM

Why does the author omit the classic "I, Robot" by Issac Asimov.
Where the "AI" decides to protect humanity from itself.

That being said, I believe we are far from sentient AI at this point in
time.

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Or the chilling "The Humanoids" by Jack Williamson "To serve Man, and keep him 
from harm".


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Why does the author omit the classic "I, Robot" by Issac Asimov.
Where the "AI" decides to protect humanity from itself.

That being said, I believe we are far from sentient AI at this point in time.

My USD $0.02 worth.

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Why does the author omit the classic "I, Robot" by Issac Asimov.
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That being said, I believe we are far from sentient AI at this point in time.

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Re: AI wipes out humanity?

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Wouildn't that depend on the programming and training?

Some people lack an impulse to preserve themselves. Consider reckless behavior 
and suicide attempts.


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Yeah, I realize I didn't define anything.  But in this case I'm really just
saying that we have no idea whether an AI can have an impulse to preserve
itself.  We observe that impulse in every form of life, but it's well to
keep in mind that an AI isn't of that sort.  It may have that impulse, but
so far that's just an assumption, no?

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There are a lot of questions that are best answered by asking "What do you
mean by life?"; in this case, what do you mean by life? Is a virus alive? A
prion? An organization not based on proteins and RNA? An organism not based
on CHON, P, S and a few stray metals?


From: [robhbrid...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2023 3:57 PM

An interesting article in some ways.  I don't take seriously all of its
speculations, partly because as a Christian I see world events progressing
rather differently.  But one assumption I want to question here starts with
the observation that all life seeks to survive, and speculates that AIs are
likely to 1) find themselves in competition with humans and therefore 2)
conclude that we have to be wiped out.

My challenge is this:  All life seeks to survive, yes, but AIs are not life.
Maybe they'll discover an urge to survive, but maybe that's not in their
makeup and cannot be.  Does anyone know?

Just a thought.

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Thoughts.

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Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Tomasz Rola]

On Sun, Apr 09, 2023 at 07:19:11PM -0400, Bob Bridges wrote:
> Yeah, I realize I didn't define anything.  But in this case I'm really just
> saying that we have no idea whether an AI can have an impulse to preserve
> itself.  We observe that impulse in every form of life, but it's well to
> keep in mind that an AI isn't of that sort.  It may have that impulse, but
> so far that's just an assumption, no?

I suppose humans are good enough for the job of wiping humans. Any AI
worth its salt will just sit and wait, being polite and helpfull.

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Yeah, I realize I didn't define anything.  But in this case I'm really just
saying that we have no idea whether an AI can have an impulse to preserve
itself.  We observe that impulse in every form of life, but it's well to
keep in mind that an AI isn't of that sort.  It may have that impulse, but
so far that's just an assumption, no?

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There are a lot of questions that are best answered by asking "What do you
mean by life?"; in this case, what do you mean by life? Is a virus alive? A
prion? An organization not based on proteins and RNA? An organism not based
on CHON, P, S and a few stray metals?


From: [robhbrid...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2023 3:57 PM

An interesting article in some ways.  I don't take seriously all of its
speculations, partly because as a Christian I see world events progressing
rather differently.  But one assumption I want to question here starts with
the observation that all life seeks to survive, and speculates that AIs are
likely to 1) find themselves in competition with humans and therefore 2)
conclude that we have to be wiped out.

My challenge is this:  All life seeks to survive, yes, but AIs are not life.
Maybe they'll discover an urge to survive, but maybe that's not in their
makeup and cannot be.  Does anyone know?

Just a thought.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2023 15:01

Thoughts.

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[Seymour J Metz]

AI certainly raises all sorts of ethical and practical issue beyon the obvious 
"Will we ever achieve it?", but predicting when is even harder than predicting 
what. Further, evolution has many pathways, not all of which involve driving 
competitors to extinction. Of course, some of the alternative pathways may also 
be horrifying.


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There are a lot of questions that are best answered by asking "What do you mean 
by life?"; in this case, what do you mean by life? Is a virus alive? A prion? 
An organization not based on proteins and RNA? An organism not based on CHON, 
P, S and a few stray metals?


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An interesting article in some ways.  I don't take seriously all of its 
speculations, partly because as a Christian I see world events progressing 
rather differently.  But one assumption I want to question here starts with the 
observation that all life seeks to survive, and speculates that AIs are likely 
to 1) find themselves in competition with humans and therefore 2) conclude that 
we have to be wiped out.

My challenge is this:  All life seeks to survive, yes, but AIs are not life.  
Maybe they'll discover an urge to survive, but maybe that's not in their makeup 
and cannot be.  Does anyone know?

Just a thought.

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[Bob Bridges]

An interesting article in some ways.  I don't take seriously all of its 
speculations, partly because as a Christian I see world events progressing 
rather differently.  But one assumption I want to question here starts with the 
observation that all life seeks to survive, and speculates that AIs are likely 
to 1) find themselves in competition with humans and therefore 2) conclude that 
we have to be wiped out.

My challenge is this:  All life seeks to survive, yes, but AIs are not life.  
Maybe they'll discover an urge to survive, but maybe that's not in their makeup 
and cannot be.  Does anyone know?

Just a thought.

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Re: AI wipes out humanity?

[Rupert Reynolds]

You might get more responses on the offtopic day (Friday), but here are my
thoughts:-

Hardly! It can do statistics and answer "Roughly what kind of word soup
would someone expect in answer to..." but it doesn't understand what the
words mean, and even when you prove it wrong, it can only BS like an idiot
or back down.

It's quite good at writing unit tests for me, though. Coypu-pasty the text
into Notepad++, run a simple script to extract the tests, and instead of
"Kermits all the way down" I get a couple of Animals instead :-)

Roops

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[Phil Smith III]

I think that when it's time to railroad, people are gonna railroad, aka the
genie doesn't go back in the bottle. All the calls for a "moratorium" are
silly: there's no way to enforce one, so it's just a waste of time. Spend
the effort looking for ways to mitigate/avoid the risks, don't pretend that
we can wish them away.


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