Re: Entering Hebrew (2nd round) - VNC with twm

2007-02-16 Thread Yair Friedman
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 00:20:57 +0200, 
Ehud Karni [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Most of the time I run only one application - Emacs - which is run as
 full screen without border or title. I don't need any Hebrew support
 for the Emacs - it is all done from within (by my hebeng.el).

 From time to time I need to run a Firefox or OO (to read HTML mail

Maybe not what you wanted, but w3m + w3m.el does fairly good job reading
HTML email from within Emacs, even in Hebrew.


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Re: entering hebrew?

2007-02-15 Thread Dan Bar Dov

I agree with you that I was not specific enough, and I apologize for that.
Switching from windows desktop to linux desktop is far from intuitive,
therefore my questions
are kind of dumb. Consider them newbee questions.

My next one is about calendar/appointment book. Thundirbird does not
have it AFAIK.
What do I need to look for on FC5/KDE desktop?

Thanks,
Dan


On 2/14/07, Julian Daich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

El mié, 14-02-2007 a las 18:51 +0200, Dan Bar Dov escribió:
 Thank you all for the very interesting thread.

 FYI I'm using fedora core 5, KDE, everything standard. But that is not 
relevant.
Why do you think is what not relevant? Next time be more specific!
 Dotan I think, almost figured me out,
 I'm using Linux for years,
(!)
 but
 always in console mode, never graphics, never gui. For that I used
 windows.

 All I needed to know is that on the bottom right there's a little icon
 with US on
 it, and by clicking it, I'd switch to hebrew input.

 You could have said - very similar to windows.

Right click over the KDE toolbarselect add an item select from the
items´ menu the keyboard app. In Windows( AFAIK at least until XP) you
don´t have the possibility to add items to your toolbar at a glance.
 Anyway, this how to kill a fly with an atomic bomb was very educational.

Next time try to play a little bit.
 Thanks
 Dan

 On 2/14/07, Julian Daich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  El mié, 14-02-2007 a las 09:55 +0200, Dan Bar Dov escribió:
   How do I input hebrew on Linux?
  Your question sound like,¨ How do I use an computer?¨
   More specifically, in firefox (2.0).
  Could you be more specific? Which Linux distribution and desktop
  enviroment are you using?
  Did you set the Hebrew?
  Usually you have to:
  1. Set the Hebrew keyboard.
  2. Have installed the Hebrew packages of* your* distro including aspell
  for Hebrew if you want support for spelling and, if it is available for
  your distro, Firefox-locale-he if you want Firefox in Hebrew. Hebrew
  packages are often called Language-pack-he or Langauge-support-he in
  some distros. Hebrew fonts, as Culmus, and other basics features have to
  be installed by default in most distros.
 
  Julian
  
   Thanks,
   Dan
  
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Re: entering hebrew?

2007-02-15 Thread Julian Daich
El jue, 15-02-2007 a las 12:51 +0200, Dan Bar Dov escribió:
 I agree with you that I was not specific enough, and I apologize for that.
 Switching from windows desktop to linux desktop is far from intuitive,
 therefore my questions
 are kind of dumb. Consider them newbee questions.
 
 My next one is about calendar/appointment book. Thundirbird does not
 have it AFAIK.
 What do I need to look for on FC5/KDE desktop?
Kontact
 
 Thanks,
 Dan
 
 
 On 2/14/07, Julian Daich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  El mié, 14-02-2007 a las 18:51 +0200, Dan Bar Dov escribió:
   Thank you all for the very interesting thread.
  
   FYI I'm using fedora core 5, KDE, everything standard. But that is not 
   relevant.
  Why do you think is what not relevant? Next time be more specific!
   Dotan I think, almost figured me out,
   I'm using Linux for years,
  (!)
   but
   always in console mode, never graphics, never gui. For that I used
   windows.
  
   All I needed to know is that on the bottom right there's a little icon
   with US on
   it, and by clicking it, I'd switch to hebrew input.
  
   You could have said - very similar to windows.
  
  Right click over the KDE toolbarselect add an item select from the
  items´ menu the keyboard app. In Windows( AFAIK at least until XP) you
  don´t have the possibility to add items to your toolbar at a glance.
   Anyway, this how to kill a fly with an atomic bomb was very educational.
  
  Next time try to play a little bit.
   Thanks
   Dan
  
   On 2/14/07, Julian Daich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
El mié, 14-02-2007 a las 09:55 +0200, Dan Bar Dov escribió:
 How do I input hebrew on Linux?
Your question sound like,¨ How do I use an computer?¨
 More specifically, in firefox (2.0).
Could you be more specific? Which Linux distribution and desktop
enviroment are you using?
Did you set the Hebrew?
Usually you have to:
1. Set the Hebrew keyboard.
2. Have installed the Hebrew packages of* your* distro including aspell
for Hebrew if you want support for spelling and, if it is available for
your distro, Firefox-locale-he if you want Firefox in Hebrew. Hebrew
packages are often called Language-pack-he or Langauge-support-he in
some distros. Hebrew fonts, as Culmus, and other basics features have to
be installed by default in most distros.
   
Julian

 Thanks,
 Dan

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Re: entering hebrew?

2007-02-15 Thread Zvi Har'El


Dan Bar Dov wrote, On 15/02/07 12:51:


 My next one is about calendar/appointment book. Thundirbird does not
 have it AFAIK.


It does. Look at the Mozilla Calendar products in the URL below. You
have the choice of a Thunderbird add-on called Lightning, or if you
prefer a standalone calendar, Mozilla Sunbird is your choice. I
recommend both from experience. Personally I prefer the latter.
 
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/

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Re: entering hebrew?

2007-02-15 Thread Zvi Har'El
PS. If you need a Jewish calendar for Mozilla Sunbird or Lightning, you
can download one from my homepage (see signature), or more specifically,
import http://www.math.technion.ac.il/~rl/luach/5767-i.he.ics. BTW,
you can import it also using Google  Calendar (you might be familiar
with it since I see you are a gmail user).

Zvi Har'El wrote, On 15/02/07 14:12:



 Dan Bar Dov wrote, On 15/02/07 12:51:


 My next one is about calendar/appointment book. Thundirbird does not
 have it AFAIK.


 It does. Look at the Mozilla Calendar products in the URL below. You
 have the choice of a Thunderbird add-on called Lightning, or if you
 prefer a standalone calendar, Mozilla Sunbird is your choice. I
 recommend both from experience. Personally I prefer the latter.
  
 http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/

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entering hebrew?

2007-02-14 Thread Dan Bar Dov

How do I input hebrew on Linux?
More specifically, in firefox (2.0).

Thanks,
Dan

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Re: entering hebrew?

2007-02-14 Thread Julian Daich
El mié, 14-02-2007 a las 09:55 +0200, Dan Bar Dov escribió:
 How do I input hebrew on Linux?
Your question sound like,¨ How do I use an computer?¨
 More specifically, in firefox (2.0).
Could you be more specific? Which Linux distribution and desktop
enviroment are you using?
Did you set the Hebrew?
Usually you have to:
1. Set the Hebrew keyboard.
2. Have installed the Hebrew packages of* your* distro including aspell
for Hebrew if you want support for spelling and, if it is available for
your distro, Firefox-locale-he if you want Firefox in Hebrew. Hebrew
packages are often called Language-pack-he or Langauge-support-he in
some distros. Hebrew fonts, as Culmus, and other basics features have to
be installed by default in most distros.

Julian
 
 Thanks,
 Dan
 
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Re: entering hebrew?

2007-02-14 Thread Tzahi Fadida
You need to switch to a hebrew keyboard.
If you have xorg, then you'll probably have to edit it and add/edit 
something like this to /etc/X11/xorg.conf:

Section InputDevice
  Identifier Generic Keyboard
  Driver kbd
  option CoreKeyboard
  option XkbRules xorg
  option XkbModel pc105
  option XkbLayout us,il
  option XkbOptions grp:switch,grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll
EndSection

Restart X.
Then use alt-shift to switch keyboard to hebrew.

On Wednesday 14 February 2007 09:55, Dan Bar Dov wrote:
 How do I input hebrew on Linux?
 More specifically, in firefox (2.0).

 Thanks,
 Dan

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Re: entering hebrew?

2007-02-14 Thread Moshe Gorohovsky
Hi,

For xorg:

1. Test from command line:

   host~$ setxkbmap us
   It is important to save this in shell history,
   before you switch to Hebrew !
   host~$ setxkbmap he
   Typpe in Hebrew in firefox.
   host~$ setxkbmap us

2. Configure your favorite keyboard indicator:
   Add keyboard indicator to your desktop: panels, fvwm box, etc.
   Add Hebrew to keyboard layouts in your keyboard indicator.


Dan Bar Dov wrote:
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 More specifically, in firefox (2.0).

 Thanks,
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 More specifically, in firefox (2.0).
 
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Re: entering hebrew?

2007-02-14 Thread Julian Daich
El mié, 14-02-2007 a las 10:39 +0200, Tzahi Fadida escribió:
 You need to switch to a hebrew keyboard.
 If you have xorg, then you'll probably have to edit it and add/edit 
 something like this to /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
In many distros if you are using a Gnome or KDE all the keyboard layouts
you do not need to make changes at /etc/X11/xorg.conf to switch the
keyboard and it is not recommended to play with /etc/X11/xorg.conf if
you have not experience with it. In these cases you can change the
keyboard layout from the desktop settings or adding the keyboard
applet( as in Windows or Mac) to your toolbar and /etc/X11/xorg.conf
will always set as¨ us¨ in the XkbLayout entry.
 
 Section InputDevice
   Identifier Generic Keyboard
   Driver kbd
   option CoreKeyboard
   option XkbRules xorg
   option XkbModel pc105
   option XkbLayout us,il
   option XkbOptions grp:switch,grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll
 EndSection
 
 Restart X.
 Then use alt-shift to switch keyboard to hebrew.
 
 On Wednesday 14 February 2007 09:55, Dan Bar Dov wrote:
  How do I input hebrew on Linux?
  More specifically, in firefox (2.0).
 
  Thanks,
  Dan
 
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Re: entering hebrew?

2007-02-14 Thread Tzahi Fadida
On Wednesday 14 February 2007 11:01, Julian Daich wrote:
 El mié, 14-02-2007 a las 10:39 +0200, Tzahi Fadida escribió:
  You need to switch to a hebrew keyboard.
  If you have xorg, then you'll probably have to edit it and add/edit
  something like this to /etc/X11/xorg.conf:

 In many distros if you are using a Gnome or KDE all the keyboard layouts
 you do not need to make changes at /etc/X11/xorg.conf to switch the
 keyboard and it is not recommended to play with /etc/X11/xorg.conf if
 you have not experience with it. In these cases you can change the
 keyboard layout from the desktop settings or adding the keyboard
 applet( as in Windows or Mac) to your toolbar and /etc/X11/xorg.conf
 will always set as¨ us¨ in the XkbLayout entry.

You are right, of course, but i wish it was true for my KDE on kubuntu.
The dang thing ignores ALT-SHIFT or any combination for that matter when
group switches are enabled. Or even more weirder, sometimes it switches once
and stops. This is before and after a total reinstall 2 weeks ago. Guess KDE 
does not like my keyboard.
So, in the event KDE configuration (System settings-Regional settings in KDE) 
won't succeed for our friend here, then he can do it in xorg.conf


  Section InputDevice
Identifier Generic Keyboard
Driver kbd
option CoreKeyboard
option XkbRules xorg
option XkbModel pc105
option XkbLayout us,il
option XkbOptions grp:switch,grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll
  EndSection
 
  Restart X.
  Then use alt-shift to switch keyboard to hebrew.
 
  On Wednesday 14 February 2007 09:55, Dan Bar Dov wrote:
   How do I input hebrew on Linux?
   More specifically, in firefox (2.0).
  
   Thanks,
   Dan
  
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Re: entering hebrew?

2007-02-14 Thread Julian Daich
El mié, 14-02-2007 a las 11:20 +0200, Tzahi Fadida escribió:
 On Wednesday 14 February 2007 11:01, Julian Daich wrote:
  El mié, 14-02-2007 a las 10:39 +0200, Tzahi Fadida escribió:

 
 You are right, of course, but i wish it was true for my KDE on kubuntu.
 The dang thing ignores ALT-SHIFT or any combination for that matter when
 group switches are enabled. Or even more weirder, sometimes it switches once
 and stops. This is before and after a total reinstall 2 weeks ago. Guess KDE 
 does not like my keyboard.
In Gnome you can set keys shortcuts with the keyboard preferences, but
at least in my Ubuntu, you have to restart xorg( or the system) to make
the changes to have effect. 
 So, in the event KDE configuration (System settings-Regional settings in 
 KDE) 
 won't succeed for our friend here, then he can do it in xorg.conf
For all these reasons, it is important that Dan tell us which distro and
GUI he is using, if he want an effective help.
 
 
 
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Re: entering hebrew?

2007-02-14 Thread Dotan Cohen

On 14/02/07, Julian Daich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

El mié, 14-02-2007 a las 09:55 +0200, Dan Bar Dov escribió:
 How do I input hebrew on Linux?
Your question sound like,¨ How do I use an computer?¨


That wasn't nice. Dan probably has experience with Windows, not Linux.
When he learns Linux, and then sits down at a Mac, he will then also
need to ask (As would you and I at a Mac terminal) how to enter
Hebrew. And he turned to the rihgt place to ask: this mailing list.
That's what we are here for.

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Re: entering hebrew?

2007-02-14 Thread Dotan Cohen

On 14/02/07, Dan Bar Dov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

How do I input hebrew on Linux?
More specifically, in firefox (2.0).

Thanks,
Dan



Dan, the answer to your question depends on several things. What
distro are you using? Ubuntu? Fedora? Gentoo? Slackware? SUSE?
Something else?

Also, what desktop are you using? KDE? Gnome? XFCE? Something else?

If you're not sure, then send to me a screenshot of the desktop, make
sure that it includes the task bar.

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Re: entering hebrew?

2007-02-14 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Dotan Cohen, from the post of Wed, 14 Feb:
 
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 http://what-is-what.com/what_is/top_posting.html


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Re: entering hebrew?

2007-02-14 Thread Dotan Cohen

On 14/02/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

hi

i am using RH9, fvwm.
i can switch the keyboard to write in openoffice,
but not firefox.

many thanks  !

dorit



Probably a Firefox bug, then. If you can type in Hebrew in OOo and
other apps, then you've got the OS and WM configured properly at
least. And I know of a Firefox bug whereby keyboard shortcuts don't
work in Hebrew. Can you type into a text editor and then paste into
Firefox? Also, is your machine capable of running KDE or Gnome? (256MB
RAM)? You might want to try one of those WMs if you're not too
attached to fvwm. I had many problems with Hebrew in xfce, which I
believe is similar.

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Re: entering hebrew?

2007-02-14 Thread Dan Bar Dov

Thank you all for the very interesting thread.

FYI I'm using fedora core 5, KDE, everything standard. But that is not relevant.
Dotan I think, almost figured me out, I'm using Linux for years, but
always in console mode, never graphics, never gui. For that I used
windows.

All I needed to know is that on the bottom right there's a little icon
with US on
it, and by clicking it, I'd switch to hebrew input.

You could have said - very similar to windows.

Anyway, this how to kill a fly with an atomic bomb was very educational.

Thanks
Dan

On 2/14/07, Julian Daich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

El mié, 14-02-2007 a las 09:55 +0200, Dan Bar Dov escribió:
 How do I input hebrew on Linux?
Your question sound like,¨ How do I use an computer?¨
 More specifically, in firefox (2.0).
Could you be more specific? Which Linux distribution and desktop
enviroment are you using?
Did you set the Hebrew?
Usually you have to:
1. Set the Hebrew keyboard.
2. Have installed the Hebrew packages of* your* distro including aspell
for Hebrew if you want support for spelling and, if it is available for
your distro, Firefox-locale-he if you want Firefox in Hebrew. Hebrew
packages are often called Language-pack-he or Langauge-support-he in
some distros. Hebrew fonts, as Culmus, and other basics features have to
be installed by default in most distros.

Julian

 Thanks,
 Dan

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Re: entering hebrew?

2007-02-14 Thread Julian Daich
El mié, 14-02-2007 a las 14:09 +0200, Dotan Cohen escribió:
 On 14/02/07, Julian Daich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  El mié, 14-02-2007 a las 09:55 +0200, Dan Bar Dov escribió:
   How do I input hebrew on Linux?
  Your question sound like,¨ How do I use an computer?¨
 
 That wasn't nice. 
I meant that the question was too vague. Nothing more than that. Also my
answer for the original threat had a continuation.
 Dan probably has experience with Windows, not Linux.
 When he learns Linux, and then sits down at a Mac, he will then also
 need to ask (As would you and I at a Mac terminal) how to enter
 Hebrew. And he turned to the rihgt place to ask: this mailing list.
 That's what we are here for.
I remember also my first jump into Linux two and half years ago. The
installer asked me about language and keyboard distribution and Hebrew
was there, so my thinking was there will be some kind of control panel
where to set or change my keyboard again if I need Hebrew. After playing
one or two days with the desktop, I found the keyboard settings and the
keyboard applet for the toolbar. So, again, I concluded that Dan
question was too vague and that we need more information to help him.
 
 Dotan Cohen
 
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Re: entering hebrew?

2007-02-14 Thread Julian Daich
El mié, 14-02-2007 a las 18:51 +0200, Dan Bar Dov escribió:
 Thank you all for the very interesting thread.
 
 FYI I'm using fedora core 5, KDE, everything standard. But that is not 
 relevant.
Why do you think is what not relevant? Next time be more specific!
 Dotan I think, almost figured me out, 
 I'm using Linux for years,
(!)
 but
 always in console mode, never graphics, never gui. For that I used
 windows.
 
 All I needed to know is that on the bottom right there's a little icon
 with US on
 it, and by clicking it, I'd switch to hebrew input.
 
 You could have said - very similar to windows.
 
Right click over the KDE toolbarselect add an item select from the
items´ menu the keyboard app. In Windows( AFAIK at least until XP) you
don´t have the possibility to add items to your toolbar at a glance.
 Anyway, this how to kill a fly with an atomic bomb was very educational.
 
Next time try to play a little bit.
 Thanks
 Dan
 
 On 2/14/07, Julian Daich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  El mié, 14-02-2007 a las 09:55 +0200, Dan Bar Dov escribió:
   How do I input hebrew on Linux?
  Your question sound like,¨ How do I use an computer?¨
   More specifically, in firefox (2.0).
  Could you be more specific? Which Linux distribution and desktop
  enviroment are you using?
  Did you set the Hebrew?
  Usually you have to:
  1. Set the Hebrew keyboard.
  2. Have installed the Hebrew packages of* your* distro including aspell
  for Hebrew if you want support for spelling and, if it is available for
  your distro, Firefox-locale-he if you want Firefox in Hebrew. Hebrew
  packages are often called Language-pack-he or Langauge-support-he in
  some distros. Hebrew fonts, as Culmus, and other basics features have to
  be installed by default in most distros.
 
  Julian
  
   Thanks,
   Dan
  
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Entering Hebrew (2nd round) - VNC with twm

2007-02-14 Thread Ehud Karni
Hello gang,

After reading the 1st round of entering hebrew? I have similar
problem for the gurus of this list.

I'm interfacing with Linux through VNC, i.e. I have a virtual screen
created by VNC, with twm as the windows manager. The OS is as old as
RH7.3 or new as FC6. I connect to the Linux box by ssh (from anywhere,
mostly my home or office), which has a tunnel for the VNC.

Most of the time I run only one application - Emacs - which is run as
full screen without border or title. I don't need any Hebrew support
for the Emacs - it is all done from within (by my hebeng.el).

From time to time I need to run a Firefox or OO (to read HTML mail and
documents), sometimes I'd like to run/test some legacy programs that
run on xterm/rxvt. For the Firefox/OO I need UTF-8 Hebrew, for the
legacy programs I need ISO-8859-8 Hebrew.

So it all come to this: How I can manage the keyboard to produce
English (upper  lower case), Hebrew (UTF-8 and ISO-8859-8) with twm ?
I prefer to have all those together (modifiers for Hebrew - like shift
and lock for upper case).

I have my practical solution, but I wanted to here from the list gurus
their suggestions.

Ehud.


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