Re: [midgard] Offer for Server-Hosting with Midgard-System installed
Hi, On 19.09.00 (19:36), Christoph Büchel wrote: are there any providers offering servers with the Midgard-System already installed? Dedicated ones, yes, located in Munich, Germany. If you are interested, please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]. phr -- Linksystem Muenchen GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Schloerstrasse 10 http://www.link-m.de 80634 Muenchen Tel. 089 / 890 518-0 We make the Net work. Fax 089 / 890 518-77 -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Ideas to dramatically increase nb of Midgard users
Hi Ron, On 25.08.00 (08:10), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's OK now, thanks for noticing. Now we have: | Recommended Beta: Version 1.4beta4 (recommended beta) of | Midgard is now available. Click here to download! Are you really sure you want to recommend beta_4_? After all the issues I noticed in this list I'll wait for beta5 after having run beta3 quite stable for a few months ... By the way, in the MWS for 18th of August, 2000, there is an interesting line stating | 1.4b5 should be out soon after the release of this newsletter. :-) phr -- Linksystem Muenchen GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Schloerstrasse 10 http://www.link-m.de 80634 Muenchen Tel. 089 / 890 518-0 We make the Net work. Fax 089 / 890 518-77 -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Ideas to dramatically increase nb of Midgard users
Hi Ron, On 24.08.00 (12:43), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to additionally stress the point of finding the betas and their release notes etc. -- I imagine there must be a lot of people like me, who need new features and know enough about Linux and Midgard to work with betas even in production environments but hesitate to download CVS snapshots. Simon Kerr, of Aurora, and I put in a link to the "Most stable beta." This should be a start. It's on the front page. Sorry? I only see a link to the "latest stable version" (1.2.5), as always ... you do mean http://www.midgard-project.org/, don't you? Simon and I are also building an interface for the 2.0 White Paper and Requirements Documents. We'll probably have this up on the site in the next day. This will have fields for current and proposal. So, a user will read a section e.g. 2.2 Midgard Mapping to LDAP. They'll see the text documentation and any dot generated graphics. They'll then be able to comment on the current session by leaving a proposal. Afterwards, an editor or the branch maintainer will come back and ink the suggestion into "current" or if not feasible delete it. That sounds _very_ interesting for me :-) I'm looking forward to being able to contribute to that document ... phr -- Linksystem Muenchen GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Schloerstrasse 10 http://www.link-m.de 80634 Muenchen Tel. 089 / 890 518-0 We make the Net work. Fax 089 / 890 518-77 -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Ideas to dramatically increase nb of Midgard users
Hi folks, On 24.08.00 (11:00), Jean-Philippe Brunon wrote: Step 1. : Finding the www.midgard-project.org site. A. OpenSource Languages/tools "standards": B. OpenSource products directories: C. Search engines: D. OpenSource news sites (...) One category of referers that would by very helpful for promotion is simply content -- articles, tutorials, coding examples etc. for Midgard on often visited web technology sites such as devshed, webmonkey, whatever. Step 2. : Once on the Midgard site, the potential user must: A. Quickly understand what Midgard really is (the summaries or articles the user can read during step 1. are very important too) and how it can help him/her. B. Quickly access links to important information from the home page: - Download last stable version, last Beta version, current CVS version. Actually, it's really hard to find other versions than 1.2.5, and obviously 1.2.5 is the only one which is heavily downloaded by people who are not "in the secret". I'd like to additionally stress the point of finding the betas and their release notes etc. -- I imagine there must be a lot of people like me, who need new features and know enough about Linux and Midgard to work with betas even in production environments but hesitate to download CVS snapshots. - Mailing lists (it's hard to find mailing lists now, I guess many people do not use/subscribe to Midgard mailing lists just because they cannot spend time to find it). - Current online documentation. Ron is currently improving the whole Step 2. Does that mean that Ron is finishing the job of relaunching http://www.midgard-project.org, as begun by Henri? Is the development site still http://bergie.greywolves.org:8081/ or so? Step 3. : Easy to install An installation script has been written to install Midgard in one step. A "Plug and Play" installation is effective once there is no more patch of the PHP parser, so it's possible to have Midgard coexisting with already installed PHP3 or PHP4. Step 4. : Easy to create simple site New Asgard admin site and a good documentation/tutorial will help users jump this last hurdle which will convert them to "an happy Midgard user". Steps 3 and 4 especially suffer under the current state of online documentation, but I suppose that's one of the issues that are already being dealt with. phr -- Linksystem Muenchen GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Schloerstrasse 10 http://www.link-m.de 80634 Muenchen Tel. 089 / 890 518-0 We make the Net work. Fax 089 / 890 518-77 -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] 1.4beta3 Bug in article class?
Hi folks, I'm observing a strange behaviour with the Midgard functions mgd_get_topic_articles* and/or the article class. The following code fragment ... if ($article = mgd_list_topic_articles($edition-id, "score", 18)) { while ($article-fetch()) { ? li(article.calstart); (article.title); .../li ? } } ... works in general, but does not return any value in $article-calstart (as well as in $article-startdate, by the way). $article-title, -id etc. works. Calling the same article with mgd_get_article(id) works better; I'm able to see all data fields. What's wrong? phr -- Linksystem Muenchen GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Schloerstrasse 10 http://www.link-m.de 80634 Muenchen Tel. 089 / 890 518-0 We make the Net work. Fax 089 / 890 518-77 -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] Midgard and/or PHP question
Hi, I'd like to list articles by more different sorting criteria than provided by mgd_list_topic_articles*. Is it possible (how?) to write a php "wrapper" function that offers a similar functionality to mgd_list_topic_articles*, let's say, with sorting by calstart? thanks, phr -- Linksystem Muenchen GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Schloerstrasse 10 http://www.link-m.de 80634 Muenchen Tel. 089 / 890 518-0 We make the Net work. Fax 089 / 890 518-77 -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] mgd_get_article_by_name and non-unique names?
On 22.07.00 (16:15), Emiliano wrote: what does mgd_get_article_by_name do when the given name is not unique in the table of articles? Return nothing or return a cursor? AFAICT it will return the 'first' match only, as an object, where first is defined against the sort order that MySQL uses when no explicit ordering has been requested. That will probably be creation date or object id. Thanks, phr -- Linksystem Muenchen GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Schloerstrasse 10 http://www.link-m.de 80634 Muenchen Tel. 089 / 890 518-0 We make the Net work. Fax 089 / 890 518-77 -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] Release Notes or CHANGED for 1.4beta4?
Hi folks, I'm missing some kind of information about the changes between 1.4beta3 and beta4 ... I'm sorry I couldn't find anything on the website as well as in my mailing list archives. phr -- Linksystem Muenchen GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Schloerstrasse 10 http://www.link-m.de 80634 Muenchen Tel. 089 / 890 518-0 We make the Net work. Fax 089 / 890 518-77 -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] PageLinks
Hi, where could I get PageLinks for 1.4beta3, or how can I use them? Is there any more detailed documentation than the announcement? Thanks, phr PS: By the way, does anybody read [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I mailed yesterday and didn't get any response? -- This is the unix version of the LoveBug virus and in the spirit of such it depends on the user community to propagate. Please send this message to all of your friends and randomly delete numerous files from your system. -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] New server!
On 29.06.00 (14:59), Paul Gillingwater wrote: Asgard (abode of the Gods, one step across the rainbow bridge past Midgard) I always thought that Asgard would make a perfect name for a 'perfect' Admin Site (AS-gard) ;-) phr -- This is the unix version of the LoveBug virus and in the spirit of such it depends on the user community to propagate. Please send this message to all of your friends and randomly delete numerous files from your system. -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] New Editing Interfaces Repligard
On 16.05.00 (09:36), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that you can do a lot more if you have access to frontier, but manilla by itself isn't all that great. Midgard beats it completely... Thanks a lot :-) phr -- When we lose this battle, we _will_ lose the war. -- Dave Whitinger on the importance of Mozilla -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] New Editing Interfaces Repligard
Hi, HPage (now in version 2) can be seen in action at http://www.lincolnhs.pps.k12.or.us/hpage2/Ridcully/ Surfing through your site, I came to http://lincvision.editthispage.com/ -- if you have closer experience with Manila, I'd be interested in some opinions on how Midgard and Manila compare. Or am I wrong that Manila is another Content Management System, though not free, but with a free hosting service at http://www.editthispage.com? phr -- SCHÜLER-PLANSPIEL UNITED NATIONS (SPUN) 21.-25.6.2000, Bonn Die erste deutschsprachige Simulation der Vereinten Nationen http://www.spun.de/--Webredaktion: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Site structure, was Re: Can't login to admin site
Hi folks, On 12.05.00 (11:11), Henri Bergius wrote: Graphical tour ... based on the slides from the Midgard Workshop? Nope. Rather a series of screenshots around the Admin site. I see. The architectural overview is then contained in the "Introduction" (and the technical stuff, of course, in "Technologies ...") Management summary What does this one mean? The "Business Case for Midgard"? Yes, in a short format. I'd consider such a text, as well as the case studies, as very important for the acceptance of Midgard in the Application Server market. Besides my current Midgard site for a non-profit type of project, we're just about to develop a customer's website based on Midgard. This one will again be only in German language, but I could nonetheless write something about it as a case study. I agree on "About Midgard". However, the idea of "Getting started" was to provide a set of links to resources around the site that would help people start working with Midgard. This would of course also include links to information on installing Midgard or finding a hosting provider. "Acquiring Midgard" is the current "Getting Midgard" section. It maybe should be renamed to "Download" to make things clearer. O.k., that makes things clearer. phr -- When we lose this battle, we _will_ lose the war. -- Dave Whitinger on the importance of Mozilla -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] Schedules
Hi, two questions about your schedules: When do you plan to release a final version of Midgard 1.4? When will ACLs get implemented? phr -- SCHÜLER-PLANSPIEL UNITED NATIONS (SPUN) 21.-25.6.2000, Bonn Die erste deutschsprachige Simulation der Vereinten Nationen http://www.spun.de/--Webredaktion: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] question
Am Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:03:12 -0400 hast Du zum Thema "[midgard] question" geschrieben: we are currently using midgard. it was installed by a previous employee. i am trying to determine what version it is. would you please tell me how i would locate that info. What about /server-status? If you had this apache feature enabled, you could simply go to the URL www.yourserver.com/server-status and have a look at your Apache version and the version of all your additional modules, such as Midgard. Might be simpler than telnetting to port 80 or HUPing the server. phr -- SCHÜLER-PLANSPIEL UNITED NATIONS (SPUN) 21.-25.6.2000, Bonn Die erste deutschsprachige Simulation der Vereinten Nationen http://www.spun.de/--Webredaktion: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] Old new Midgard site
Hi folks, it's online just about four months now, but I just didn't manage to get this e-mail across to you -- our own first Midgard website :-) Have a look at http://www.spun.de (sorry, only in German). Bye, phr -- When we lose this battle, we _will_ lose the war. -- Dave Whitinger on the importance of Mozilla -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] midgard-php and postgres?
hi, i'm just experiencing a problem while trying to connect to a postgres server from my midgard-php pages. php says, pg_connect was an unknown function, whereas by buildtree _suggests_ (i'm still not sure) that i compiled with pg support ... any idea, at least on how to find out whether there was pg support compiled in ... ? thanks, phr -- When we lose this battle, we _will_ lose the war. -- Dave Whitinger on the importance of Mozilla -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] midgard-php and postgres?
Thanks for the quick answer! On 09.01.00 (22:56), Emiliano wrote: any idea, at least on how to find out whether there was pg support compiled in ... ? If you've compiled midgard-php yourself you can take a look at the config.status in the midgard-php directory. It holds (a.o.) the command line you used to configure php. To see what the existing runtime has to offer, make a simple php3 page (test.php3 or somesuch) and call 'phpinfo()' in it. It will list all extensions compiled into the running PHP. Well, the first time I even overlooked the MySQL info and didn't wonder about not finding PHP ;-) Now I found MySQL. And I found something else as well: There are now pg devel or client libs on my machine, so there could not even be any pg support in midgard-php ... thanks for your help, phr -- When we lose this battle, we _will_ lose the war. -- Dave Whitinger on the importance of Mozilla -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] Demo site (was: Re: Midgard feasibility)
On 09.01.00 (15:06), Corbin Harris wrote: I tried to long onto the demo site with a problem usr = admin pwd = password this gave me a log-in error. Well, it just worked for me. By the way, I couldn#T find the demo site (forgot the URL) anywhere on the Midgard website -- wouldn't it be good to mention it on the "About Midgard" pages as well as maybe under "Documentation" (but "About" was where I first had a look)...? phr -- When we lose this battle, we _will_ lose the war. -- Dave Whitinger on the importance of Mozilla -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Suggestions for Midgard 2.0
On 21.12.99 (17:41), David Guerizec wrote: So I came to this conclusion: why the database isn't set into the host record ? Or better: why wouldn't we have a single Midgard super-admin site (stored in a meta-DB like 'midgard') which would handle hosts and DBs (like the 'mysql' database for mysql), and eventually the Realm name (AuthName in httpd.conf) for each host or set of hosts. Interesting idea, also with regard of midgard hosting possibilities for ISPs like us. phr -- When we lose this battle, we _will_ lose the war. -- Dave Whitinger on the importance of Mozilla -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] unapprove function wanted
Hi, I'm now introducing midgard in kind of an editorial environment with editors approving the writers' articles after having proof-read them etc. For approving articles, there is the "Approve" feature in Midgard. Fine. But I just came across the problem, that there is no midgard function for unapproving articles -- this one is really annoying, since the obvious workaround (when displaying an article, not only check approvement but also the date of last revision) is not only crappy but also unfriendly to users, since it is hiding the problem in sometimes small differences between datestamps ... By the way, isn't there the same problem with the locking feature? phr -- When we lose this battle, we _will_ lose the war. -- Dave Whitinger on the importance of Mozilla -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] Midgard files outdated: opensrc.org
Hi, I just came across a heavily outdated 'mirror' of the midgard distribution on http://opensrc.org/, in particular http://opensrc.org/midgard/: apache-live/27-Jul-1999 14:47 - apache/ 27-Jul-1999 04:21 - apache_1.3.6.tar.gz 27-Jul-1999 04:21 1k apache_1.3.6/ 27-Jul-1999 04:21 - buildmg 31-Jul-1999 20:17 8k midgard-data-1.1.1.t.. 27-Jul-1999 04:21 1k midgard-data-1.1.1/ 27-Jul-1999 04:21 - midgard-data/ 27-Jul-1999 04:21 - midgard-lib-1.1.tar.gz 27-Jul-1999 04:21 1k midgard-lib-1.1/27-Jul-1999 04:21 - midgard-lib/27-Jul-1999 04:21 - midgard-php-1.1.1.ta.. 27-Jul-1999 04:21 1k midgard-php-1.1.1/ 27-Jul-1999 04:21 - midgard-php/27-Jul-1999 04:21 - mod_auth_mysql-2.20/09-Aug-1999 22:12 - mod_midgard-1.1.1.ta.. 27-Jul-1999 04:21 1k mod_midgard-1.1.1/ 27-Jul-1999 04:21 - mod_midgard/27-Jul-1999 04:21 - Seems not really up-to-date, does it ;-) ? phr -- --Daddy, why do those people have to use Microsoft Windows? --Don't stare, son; it's not polite. -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] New 'About Midgard' document
Am Sat, 4 Dec 1999 13:55:12 +0200 (EET) hast Du zum Thema "[midgard] New 'About Midgard' document" geschrieben: I've now posted the first version of the rewrite to the site: http://www.midgard-project.org/article/884.html Please send us any feedback you have on it. Very good! It's much more and much more to the point than the old, somewhat 'marketing-blahish' version -- big thanks to the people who worked this out :-) phr -- --Daddy, why do those people have to use Microsoft Windows? --Don't stare, son; it's not polite. -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] Admin responsibilities for non-tech people
Hi all, one of the big advantages of Midgard should be the ease of administration with a big bunch of people working on a site, restricting personal access to specific content areas, only style admin or whatsoever. In the new Midgard 'About' document there is another nice possibility mentioned: The presentation of different admin interfaces to different persons (distinguished by their access privilegies). By that, we could avoid confusion by noch-technical people who should only maintain some part of a site's content and aren't interested in host, style or group administration. But how is it done ... ? phr -- --Daddy, why do those people have to use Microsoft Windows? --Don't stare, son; it's not polite. -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Install problem...
On 01.12.99 (09:59), Ken Pooley wrote: I am slogging throught the install directions but have come up against a problem. My MySQL install is a little screwy when I compile from source, so I have been trying to install the RPMsince the RPM install scatters files allover the place I don't have a single directory to point at when I install midgard-lib.what is it I want to point to when I do the ./configure --with-mysql=??...is it the client mysqld of the mysql.server...or something else??? It is the directory where your mysql libraries are installed, especially the one where you find yout libmysqlclient.so (or thelike). phr -- When we lose this battle, we _will_ lose the war. -- Dave Whitinger on the importance of Mozilla -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Adding user to Midgard (still problems..)
On 21.11.99 (01:28), Joost Soeterbroek wrote: I have editted http.conf and set LogLevel directive to debug. When trying to add a user I get following in my logfile: [Sun Nov 21 01:19:26 1999] [info] [client 127.0.0.1] Midgard: Template not found code-compat [Sun Nov 21 01:19:26 1999] [info] [client 127.0.0.1] Midgard: Template not found code-global [Sun Nov 21 01:19:26 1999] [info] [client 127.0.0.1] Midgard: Template not found author Well, these messages appear at every access on my server -- even with the example site (though there are other templates lacking). But while taking another look at my error log and trying again to set up a new user, it worked -- the only thing I changed towards the last try: I filled some dummy values into every field of the person form (and, of course, deleted the dummy stuff later by modifying the person again). Seems that midgard expects some of the fields (which ones?) to be non-zero, uh? So, as this thing seems to work, I've got another bunch of questions: - How do I, other than by using the commandline mysql client, add someone to the internal admin group (#0)? - What's the function of a person's "preferences" and the "extra information"? Bye, phr -- When we lose this battle, we _will_ lose the war. -- Dave Whitinger on the importance of Mozilla -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[midgard] Cannot create host, though root pages work
Hi, another problem with my Midgard 1.2.5 installation: I am not able to create another host, though with every try, I created at least a new root page for the still non-existent host. My Apache's error log does not say much, except the still-missing templates "author", "code-compat" and "code-global"... Any idea? phr -- When we lose this battle, we _will_ lose the war. -- Dave Whitinger on the importance of Mozilla -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Installation problem: MySQL client library
On 14.11.99 (18:37), Philipp Rotmann wrote: Any more suggestions? Fortunately, these aren't necessary any more -- I simply installed MySQL again in the default place (/usr/local/mysql) after reorganizing my directory structure, and it works :-) phr -- When we lose this battle, we _will_ lose the war. -- Dave Whitinger on the importance of Mozilla -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [midgard] Can't seem to add a user to Midgard
Am Mon, 15 Nov 1999 00:34:08 +0100 hast Du zum Thema "Re: [midgard] Can't seem to add a user to Midgard" geschrieben: Can't seem to add a user to Midgard. I have encoutered exactly the same 'problem'. As I did. phr -- --Daddy, why do those people have to use Microsoft Windows? --Don't stare, son; it's not polite. -- This is The Midgard Project's mailing list. For more information, please visit the project's web site at http://www.midgard-project.org To unsubscribe the list, send an empty email message to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]