Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS X Sonoma
Kevin, > On 4/10/2023, at 5:27 AM, Kevin Thorpe wrote: > > Hello. > > I am wondering if this is just an issue on M1/2 chips or does it also affect > Intel? > It is an issue with Sonoma macOS new TUI classes and not the architecture so it will affect both. > I usually hold off upgrading until the first or second patch, but I feel I > should warn students in my class. > Definitely - I always tell them not to upgrade right away as major macOS versions are notoriously buggy. Ideally, you shouldn't upgrade until next R patch release since if macOS breaks something we can't fix (officially) it until the next release. Cheers, Simon > > >> On Oct 3, 2023, at 12:14 PM, William R Revelle >> wrote: >> >> [You don't often get email from reve...@northwestern.edu. Learn why this is >> important at https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification ] >> >> It turns out that is not just the graphics window that the focus problem, it >> is all windows. That is, opening the help window takes focus away from the >> console and help needs to be closed before the console window will be >> active. The install package window has the same problem. >> >> For each case, closing the extra window restores console functioning. >> >> I report this just so Simon can see the report. >> >> I remain in awe of the work of Simon in getting the Mac version to work so >> well. >> >> I am running >> >> R version 4.3.1 Patched (2023-09-30 r85239) >> Platform: aarch64-apple-darwin20 (64-bit) >> Running under: macOS Sonoma 14.0 >> >> Bill >> >> >>> On Oct 1, 2023, at 12:13 PM, Sparapani, Rodney wrote: >>> >>> I hear you! It is not just R either. I know you mentioned R-studio. >>> But there are lots of other things R-related like emacs. I had the >>> hardest time with emacs for Catalina and Big sur. I’m not sure >>> but I think Monterrey was better. However, all of those issues >>> finally went away with Ventura. This makes me extremely hesitant for Sonoma >>> since I am finally happy now. So long story short: Apple gets there, >>> but it can take years sometimes. The new hardware like ARM (and >>> the titanium iPhone!) look so cool it can be very tempting to go >>> bleeding-edge. I learned my lesson when Ventura first came out. >>> R was not ready and neither were lots of tools that we use here >>> at work. Good luck >>> -- >>> Rodney Sparapani, Associate Professor of Biostatistics, He/Him/His >>> Vice President, Wisconsin Chapter of the American Statistical Association >>> Institute for Health and Equity, Division of Biostatistics >>> Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Campus >>> From: William Revelle >>> Date: Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:01 PM >>> To: Sparapani, Rodney , r-sig-mac@r-project.org >>> >>> Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS X Sonoma >>> ATTENTION: This email originated from a sender outside of MCW. Use caution >>> when clicking on links or opening attachments. >>> >>> >>> Rodney, >>> >>> Thanks for your quick reply. >>> >>> It turns out this is just a problem with the base R for Mac graphics >>> window (which is to say, the version I like). I can still use R-studio >>> (which I don’t like as much). >>> >>> I can wait patiently for a patch to the Mac version while using R-Studio. >>> >>> That way I don’t have to go through the hassle of trying to reinstall 13.x >>> and dumping 14.0. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>>> On Oct 1, 2023, at 11:22 AM, Sparapani, Rodney wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Bill: >>>> Well, I am usually pretty cautious about this. I don’t move to the >>>> next release until R is ready. For Ventura, it took quite awhile >>>> before that happened. Sorry >>>> -- >>>> Rodney Sparapani, Associate Professor of Biostatistics, He/Him/His >>>> Vice President, Wisconsin Chapter of the American Statistical Association >>>> Institute for Health and Equity, Division of Biostatistics >>>> Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Campus >>>> From: R-SIG-Mac on behalf of William >>>> Revelle >>>> Date: Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:19 AM >>>> To: r-sig-mac@r-project.org >>>> Subject: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS 1 >>>> ATTENTION: This ema
Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS X Sonoma
I just tried reinstalling R on a M1 with Sonoma but the problem persists. BW F Federico Calboli Erityisasiantuntija, tutkimusrahoitus Palveluryhmät Luonnonvarakeskus I was having problems with Rstudio after upgrading to Sonoma. I removed and reinstalled R and the problems seem to disappear. Manuel El mar, 3 oct 2023 a las 12:08, Brandon Hurr () escribió: > I can confirm that the behavior is the same on an Intel machine > freshly upgraded to Sonoma with R 4.3.0 R.app GUI 1.79 (8238) > aarch64-apple-darwin20 > And it has been going on my M2 MBP R4.3.1 R.app GUI 1.79 (8238) > aarch64-apple-darwin20 > > Does the team need any debug outputs or similar to understand the > issue? Happy to send what's needed. Please advise. > > HTH, > Brandon > > On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 12:35 PM John Helly via R-SIG-Mac > wrote: > > > > Aloha. > > > > I've confirmed it on the M-chip but afraid to test on my Intel. I have > > had a problem for years now, that seems related and limited to R.app. > > RStudio does not have the problem: which is why I stopped using R.app. > > > > On multiple machines, all architectures, R.app spontaneously switches > > from editor windows to console and the switching of focus causes code to > > get damaged or destroyed unwittingly. > > > > RStudio has its own problems but this problem has never been solved (for > > me) and I haven't been able to confirm it with others so no known > > cause. It may be related to this current problem since it seems to be > > in the same general domain. > > > > J. > > > > On 10/3/23 06:27, Kevin Thorpe wrote: > > > Hello. > > > > > > I am wondering if this is just an issue on M1/2 chips or does it also > affect Intel? > > > > > > I usually hold off upgrading until the first or second patch, but I > feel I should warn students in my class. > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > >> On Oct 3, 2023, at 12:14 PM, William R Revelle < > reve...@northwestern.edu> wrote: > > >> > > >> [You don't often get email from reve...@northwestern.edu. Learn why > this is important at https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification ] > > >> > > >> It turns out that is not just the graphics window that the focus > problem, it is all windows. That is, opening the help window takes focus > away from the console and help needs to be closed before the console window > will be active. The install package window has the same problem. > > >> > > >> For each case, closing the extra window restores console functioning. > > >> > > >> I report this just so Simon can see the report. > > >> > > >> I remain in awe of the work of Simon in getting the Mac version to > work so well. > > >> > > >> I am running > > >> > > >> R version 4.3.1 Patched (2023-09-30 r85239) > > >> Platform: aarch64-apple-darwin20 (64-bit) > > >> Running under: macOS Sonoma 14.0 > > >> > > >> Bill > > >> > > >> > > >>> On Oct 1, 2023, at 12:13 PM, Sparapani, Rodney > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> I hear you! It is not just R either. I know you mentioned R-studio. > > >>> But there are lots of other things R-related like emacs. I had the > > >>> hardest time with emacs for Catalina and Big sur. I’m not sure > > >>> but I think Monterrey was better. However, all of those issues > > >>> finally went away with Ventura. This makes me extremely hesitant > for Sonoma > > >>> since I am finally happy now. So long story short: Apple gets there, > > >>> but it can take years sometimes. The new hardware like ARM (and > > >>> the titanium iPhone!) look so cool it can be very tempting to go > > >>> bleeding-edge. I learned my lesson when Ventura first came out. > > >>> R was not ready and neither were lots of tools that we use here > > >>> at work. Good luck > > >>> -- > > >>> Rodney Sparapani, Associate Professor of Biostatistics, He/Him/His > > >>> Vice President, Wisconsin Chapter of the American Statistical > Association > > >>> Institute for Health and Equity, Division of Biostatistics > > >>> Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Campus > > >>> From: William Revelle > > >>> Date: Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:01 PM > > >>> To: Sparapani, Rodney , r-sig-mac@r-project.org < > r-sig-mac@r-project.or
Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS X Sonoma
I was having problems with Rstudio after upgrading to Sonoma. I removed and reinstalled R and the problems seem to disappear. Manuel El mar, 3 oct 2023 a las 12:08, Brandon Hurr () escribió: > I can confirm that the behavior is the same on an Intel machine > freshly upgraded to Sonoma with R 4.3.0 R.app GUI 1.79 (8238) > aarch64-apple-darwin20 > And it has been going on my M2 MBP R4.3.1 R.app GUI 1.79 (8238) > aarch64-apple-darwin20 > > Does the team need any debug outputs or similar to understand the > issue? Happy to send what's needed. Please advise. > > HTH, > Brandon > > On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 12:35 PM John Helly via R-SIG-Mac > wrote: > > > > Aloha. > > > > I've confirmed it on the M-chip but afraid to test on my Intel. I have > > had a problem for years now, that seems related and limited to R.app. > > RStudio does not have the problem: which is why I stopped using R.app. > > > > On multiple machines, all architectures, R.app spontaneously switches > > from editor windows to console and the switching of focus causes code to > > get damaged or destroyed unwittingly. > > > > RStudio has its own problems but this problem has never been solved (for > > me) and I haven't been able to confirm it with others so no known > > cause. It may be related to this current problem since it seems to be > > in the same general domain. > > > > J. > > > > On 10/3/23 06:27, Kevin Thorpe wrote: > > > Hello. > > > > > > I am wondering if this is just an issue on M1/2 chips or does it also > affect Intel? > > > > > > I usually hold off upgrading until the first or second patch, but I > feel I should warn students in my class. > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > >> On Oct 3, 2023, at 12:14 PM, William R Revelle < > reve...@northwestern.edu> wrote: > > >> > > >> [You don't often get email from reve...@northwestern.edu. Learn why > this is important at https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification ] > > >> > > >> It turns out that is not just the graphics window that the focus > problem, it is all windows. That is, opening the help window takes focus > away from the console and help needs to be closed before the console window > will be active. The install package window has the same problem. > > >> > > >> For each case, closing the extra window restores console functioning. > > >> > > >> I report this just so Simon can see the report. > > >> > > >> I remain in awe of the work of Simon in getting the Mac version to > work so well. > > >> > > >> I am running > > >> > > >> R version 4.3.1 Patched (2023-09-30 r85239) > > >> Platform: aarch64-apple-darwin20 (64-bit) > > >> Running under: macOS Sonoma 14.0 > > >> > > >> Bill > > >> > > >> > > >>> On Oct 1, 2023, at 12:13 PM, Sparapani, Rodney > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> I hear you! It is not just R either. I know you mentioned R-studio. > > >>> But there are lots of other things R-related like emacs. I had the > > >>> hardest time with emacs for Catalina and Big sur. I’m not sure > > >>> but I think Monterrey was better. However, all of those issues > > >>> finally went away with Ventura. This makes me extremely hesitant > for Sonoma > > >>> since I am finally happy now. So long story short: Apple gets there, > > >>> but it can take years sometimes. The new hardware like ARM (and > > >>> the titanium iPhone!) look so cool it can be very tempting to go > > >>> bleeding-edge. I learned my lesson when Ventura first came out. > > >>> R was not ready and neither were lots of tools that we use here > > >>> at work. Good luck > > >>> -- > > >>> Rodney Sparapani, Associate Professor of Biostatistics, He/Him/His > > >>> Vice President, Wisconsin Chapter of the American Statistical > Association > > >>> Institute for Health and Equity, Division of Biostatistics > > >>> Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Campus > > >>> From: William Revelle > > >>> Date: Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:01 PM > > >>> To: Sparapani, Rodney , r-sig-mac@r-project.org < > r-sig-mac@r-project.org> > > >>> Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS X Sonoma > > >>> ATTENTION: This email originated from a sender outside of
Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS X Sonoma
I can confirm that the behavior is the same on an Intel machine freshly upgraded to Sonoma with R 4.3.0 R.app GUI 1.79 (8238) aarch64-apple-darwin20 And it has been going on my M2 MBP R4.3.1 R.app GUI 1.79 (8238) aarch64-apple-darwin20 Does the team need any debug outputs or similar to understand the issue? Happy to send what's needed. Please advise. HTH, Brandon On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 12:35 PM John Helly via R-SIG-Mac wrote: > > Aloha. > > I've confirmed it on the M-chip but afraid to test on my Intel. I have > had a problem for years now, that seems related and limited to R.app. > RStudio does not have the problem: which is why I stopped using R.app. > > On multiple machines, all architectures, R.app spontaneously switches > from editor windows to console and the switching of focus causes code to > get damaged or destroyed unwittingly. > > RStudio has its own problems but this problem has never been solved (for > me) and I haven't been able to confirm it with others so no known > cause. It may be related to this current problem since it seems to be > in the same general domain. > > J. > > On 10/3/23 06:27, Kevin Thorpe wrote: > > Hello. > > > > I am wondering if this is just an issue on M1/2 chips or does it also > > affect Intel? > > > > I usually hold off upgrading until the first or second patch, but I feel I > > should warn students in my class. > > > > Kevin > > > > > >> On Oct 3, 2023, at 12:14 PM, William R Revelle > >> wrote: > >> > >> [You don't often get email from reve...@northwestern.edu. Learn why this > >> is important at https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification ] > >> > >> It turns out that is not just the graphics window that the focus problem, > >> it is all windows. That is, opening the help window takes focus away from > >> the console and help needs to be closed before the console window will be > >> active. The install package window has the same problem. > >> > >> For each case, closing the extra window restores console functioning. > >> > >> I report this just so Simon can see the report. > >> > >> I remain in awe of the work of Simon in getting the Mac version to work so > >> well. > >> > >> I am running > >> > >> R version 4.3.1 Patched (2023-09-30 r85239) > >> Platform: aarch64-apple-darwin20 (64-bit) > >> Running under: macOS Sonoma 14.0 > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> > >>> On Oct 1, 2023, at 12:13 PM, Sparapani, Rodney wrote: > >>> > >>> I hear you! It is not just R either. I know you mentioned R-studio. > >>> But there are lots of other things R-related like emacs. I had the > >>> hardest time with emacs for Catalina and Big sur. I’m not sure > >>> but I think Monterrey was better. However, all of those issues > >>> finally went away with Ventura. This makes me extremely hesitant for > >>> Sonoma > >>> since I am finally happy now. So long story short: Apple gets there, > >>> but it can take years sometimes. The new hardware like ARM (and > >>> the titanium iPhone!) look so cool it can be very tempting to go > >>> bleeding-edge. I learned my lesson when Ventura first came out. > >>> R was not ready and neither were lots of tools that we use here > >>> at work. Good luck > >>> -- > >>> Rodney Sparapani, Associate Professor of Biostatistics, He/Him/His > >>> Vice President, Wisconsin Chapter of the American Statistical Association > >>> Institute for Health and Equity, Division of Biostatistics > >>> Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Campus > >>> From: William Revelle > >>> Date: Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:01 PM > >>> To: Sparapani, Rodney , r-sig-mac@r-project.org > >>> > >>> Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS X Sonoma > >>> ATTENTION: This email originated from a sender outside of MCW. Use > >>> caution when clicking on links or opening attachments. > >>> > >>> > >>> Rodney, > >>> > >>> Thanks for your quick reply. > >>> > >>> It turns out this is just a problem with the base R for Mac graphics > >>> window (which is to say, the version I like). I can still use R-studio > >>> (which I don’t like as much). > >>> > >>> I can wait patiently for a patch to the Mac version while using R-Stu
Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS X Sonoma
Aloha. I've confirmed it on the M-chip but afraid to test on my Intel. I have had a problem for years now, that seems related and limited to R.app. RStudio does not have the problem: which is why I stopped using R.app. On multiple machines, all architectures, R.app spontaneously switches from editor windows to console and the switching of focus causes code to get damaged or destroyed unwittingly. RStudio has its own problems but this problem has never been solved (for me) and I haven't been able to confirm it with others so no known cause. It may be related to this current problem since it seems to be in the same general domain. J. On 10/3/23 06:27, Kevin Thorpe wrote: Hello. I am wondering if this is just an issue on M1/2 chips or does it also affect Intel? I usually hold off upgrading until the first or second patch, but I feel I should warn students in my class. Kevin On Oct 3, 2023, at 12:14 PM, William R Revelle wrote: [You don't often get email from reve...@northwestern.edu. Learn why this is important at https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification ] It turns out that is not just the graphics window that the focus problem, it is all windows. That is, opening the help window takes focus away from the console and help needs to be closed before the console window will be active. The install package window has the same problem. For each case, closing the extra window restores console functioning. I report this just so Simon can see the report. I remain in awe of the work of Simon in getting the Mac version to work so well. I am running R version 4.3.1 Patched (2023-09-30 r85239) Platform: aarch64-apple-darwin20 (64-bit) Running under: macOS Sonoma 14.0 Bill On Oct 1, 2023, at 12:13 PM, Sparapani, Rodney wrote: I hear you! It is not just R either. I know you mentioned R-studio. But there are lots of other things R-related like emacs. I had the hardest time with emacs for Catalina and Big sur. I’m not sure but I think Monterrey was better. However, all of those issues finally went away with Ventura. This makes me extremely hesitant for Sonoma since I am finally happy now. So long story short: Apple gets there, but it can take years sometimes. The new hardware like ARM (and the titanium iPhone!) look so cool it can be very tempting to go bleeding-edge. I learned my lesson when Ventura first came out. R was not ready and neither were lots of tools that we use here at work. Good luck -- Rodney Sparapani, Associate Professor of Biostatistics, He/Him/His Vice President, Wisconsin Chapter of the American Statistical Association Institute for Health and Equity, Division of Biostatistics Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Campus From: William Revelle Date: Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:01 PM To: Sparapani, Rodney , r-sig-mac@r-project.org Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS X Sonoma ATTENTION: This email originated from a sender outside of MCW. Use caution when clicking on links or opening attachments. Rodney, Thanks for your quick reply. It turns out this is just a problem with the base R for Mac graphics window (which is to say, the version I like). I can still use R-studio (which I don’t like as much). I can wait patiently for a patch to the Mac version while using R-Studio. That way I don’t have to go through the hassle of trying to reinstall 13.x and dumping 14.0. Bill On Oct 1, 2023, at 11:22 AM, Sparapani, Rodney wrote: Hi Bill: Well, I am usually pretty cautious about this. I don’t move to the next release until R is ready. For Ventura, it took quite awhile before that happened. Sorry -- Rodney Sparapani, Associate Professor of Biostatistics, He/Him/His Vice President, Wisconsin Chapter of the American Statistical Association Institute for Health and Equity, Division of Biostatistics Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Campus From: R-SIG-Mac on behalf of William Revelle Date: Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:19 AM To: r-sig-mac@r-project.org Subject: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS 1 ATTENTION: This email originated from a sender outside of MCW. Use caution when clicking on links or opening attachments. Dear Mac users of R and developers. I recently updated to the Sonoma OS for Mac (14.0) and it has a serious problem for graphics. plot(1:10) creates a graphic window but I can not switch back to the console window using either command-1 or the mouse. Anybody else having this problem? Any suggestions for a patch? I am running a MacBook Pro with M1 Max. Bill (resent because of bad mail address) William Revellepersonality-project.org/revelle.html Professorpersonality-project.org Department of Psychology https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.wcas.northwestern.edu/psych/__;!!H8mHWRdzp34!6ejyrhAkkZDmz7rI2sf4kna51unncXyvnIMc9xJ12h6pMfylTwNR8QeWq8RTUAAR7NMYOzH5OX_pOA$ Northwestern
Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS X Sonoma
Hello. I am wondering if this is just an issue on M1/2 chips or does it also affect Intel? I usually hold off upgrading until the first or second patch, but I feel I should warn students in my class. Kevin > On Oct 3, 2023, at 12:14 PM, William R Revelle > wrote: > > [You don't often get email from reve...@northwestern.edu. Learn why this is > important at https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification ] > > It turns out that is not just the graphics window that the focus problem, it > is all windows. That is, opening the help window takes focus away from the > console and help needs to be closed before the console window will be active. > The install package window has the same problem. > > For each case, closing the extra window restores console functioning. > > I report this just so Simon can see the report. > > I remain in awe of the work of Simon in getting the Mac version to work so > well. > > I am running > > R version 4.3.1 Patched (2023-09-30 r85239) > Platform: aarch64-apple-darwin20 (64-bit) > Running under: macOS Sonoma 14.0 > > Bill > > >> On Oct 1, 2023, at 12:13 PM, Sparapani, Rodney wrote: >> >> I hear you! It is not just R either. I know you mentioned R-studio. >> But there are lots of other things R-related like emacs. I had the >> hardest time with emacs for Catalina and Big sur. I’m not sure >> but I think Monterrey was better. However, all of those issues >> finally went away with Ventura. This makes me extremely hesitant for Sonoma >> since I am finally happy now. So long story short: Apple gets there, >> but it can take years sometimes. The new hardware like ARM (and >> the titanium iPhone!) look so cool it can be very tempting to go >> bleeding-edge. I learned my lesson when Ventura first came out. >> R was not ready and neither were lots of tools that we use here >> at work. Good luck >> -- >> Rodney Sparapani, Associate Professor of Biostatistics, He/Him/His >> Vice President, Wisconsin Chapter of the American Statistical Association >> Institute for Health and Equity, Division of Biostatistics >> Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Campus >> From: William Revelle >> Date: Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:01 PM >> To: Sparapani, Rodney , r-sig-mac@r-project.org >> >> Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS X Sonoma >> ATTENTION: This email originated from a sender outside of MCW. Use caution >> when clicking on links or opening attachments. >> >> >> Rodney, >> >> Thanks for your quick reply. >> >> It turns out this is just a problem with the base R for Mac graphics window >> (which is to say, the version I like). I can still use R-studio (which I >> don’t like as much). >> >> I can wait patiently for a patch to the Mac version while using R-Studio. >> >> That way I don’t have to go through the hassle of trying to reinstall 13.x >> and dumping 14.0. >> >> Bill >> >> >>> On Oct 1, 2023, at 11:22 AM, Sparapani, Rodney wrote: >>> >>> Hi Bill: >>> Well, I am usually pretty cautious about this. I don’t move to the >>> next release until R is ready. For Ventura, it took quite awhile >>> before that happened. Sorry >>> -- >>> Rodney Sparapani, Associate Professor of Biostatistics, He/Him/His >>> Vice President, Wisconsin Chapter of the American Statistical Association >>> Institute for Health and Equity, Division of Biostatistics >>> Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Campus >>> From: R-SIG-Mac on behalf of William >>> Revelle >>> Date: Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:19 AM >>> To: r-sig-mac@r-project.org >>> Subject: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS 1 >>> ATTENTION: This email originated from a sender outside of MCW. Use caution >>> when clicking on links or opening attachments. >>> >>> >>> Dear Mac users of R and developers. >>> >>> >>> I recently updated to the Sonoma OS for Mac (14.0) and it has a serious >>> problem for graphics. >>> >>> plot(1:10) creates a graphic window but I can not switch back to the >>> console window using either command-1 or the mouse. >>> >>> Anybody else having this problem? Any suggestions for a patch? >>> >>> I am running a MacBook Pro with M1 Max. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> (resent because of bad mail address) >>> William
Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS X Sonoma
It turns out that is not just the graphics window that the focus problem, it is all windows. That is, opening the help window takes focus away from the console and help needs to be closed before the console window will be active. The install package window has the same problem. For each case, closing the extra window restores console functioning. I report this just so Simon can see the report. I remain in awe of the work of Simon in getting the Mac version to work so well. I am running R version 4.3.1 Patched (2023-09-30 r85239) Platform: aarch64-apple-darwin20 (64-bit) Running under: macOS Sonoma 14.0 Bill > On Oct 1, 2023, at 12:13 PM, Sparapani, Rodney wrote: > > I hear you! It is not just R either. I know you mentioned R-studio. > But there are lots of other things R-related like emacs. I had the > hardest time with emacs for Catalina and Big sur. I’m not sure > but I think Monterrey was better. However, all of those issues > finally went away with Ventura. This makes me extremely hesitant for Sonoma > since I am finally happy now. So long story short: Apple gets there, > but it can take years sometimes. The new hardware like ARM (and > the titanium iPhone!) look so cool it can be very tempting to go > bleeding-edge. I learned my lesson when Ventura first came out. > R was not ready and neither were lots of tools that we use here > at work. Good luck > -- > Rodney Sparapani, Associate Professor of Biostatistics, He/Him/His > Vice President, Wisconsin Chapter of the American Statistical Association > Institute for Health and Equity, Division of Biostatistics > Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Campus > From: William Revelle > Date: Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 12:01 PM > To: Sparapani, Rodney , r-sig-mac@r-project.org > > Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS X Sonoma > ATTENTION: This email originated from a sender outside of MCW. Use caution > when clicking on links or opening attachments. > > > Rodney, > > Thanks for your quick reply. > > It turns out this is just a problem with the base R for Mac graphics window > (which is to say, the version I like). I can still use R-studio (which I > don’t like as much). > > I can wait patiently for a patch to the Mac version while using R-Studio. > > That way I don’t have to go through the hassle of trying to reinstall 13.x > and dumping 14.0. > > Bill > > > > On Oct 1, 2023, at 11:22 AM, Sparapani, Rodney wrote: > > > > Hi Bill: > > Well, I am usually pretty cautious about this. I don’t move to the > > next release until R is ready. For Ventura, it took quite awhile > > before that happened. Sorry > > -- > > Rodney Sparapani, Associate Professor of Biostatistics, He/Him/His > > Vice President, Wisconsin Chapter of the American Statistical Association > > Institute for Health and Equity, Division of Biostatistics > > Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Campus > > From: R-SIG-Mac on behalf of William > > Revelle > > Date: Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:19 AM > > To: r-sig-mac@r-project.org > > Subject: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS 1 > > ATTENTION: This email originated from a sender outside of MCW. Use caution > > when clicking on links or opening attachments. > > > > > > Dear Mac users of R and developers. > > > > > > I recently updated to the Sonoma OS for Mac (14.0) and it has a serious > > problem for graphics. > > > > plot(1:10) creates a graphic window but I can not switch back to the > > console window using either command-1 or the mouse. > > > > Anybody else having this problem? Any suggestions for a patch? > > > > I am running a MacBook Pro with M1 Max. > > > > Bill > > > > > > (resent because of bad mail address) > > William Revellepersonality-project.org/revelle.html > > Professorpersonality-project.org > > Department of Psychology > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.wcas.northwestern.edu/psych/__;!!H8mHWRdzp34!6ejyrhAkkZDmz7rI2sf4kna51unncXyvnIMc9xJ12h6pMfylTwNR8QeWq8RTUAAR7NMYOzH5OX_pOA$ > > Northwestern University > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.northwestern.edu/__;!!H8mHWRdzp34!6ejyrhAkkZDmz7rI2sf4kna51unncXyvnIMc9xJ12h6pMfylTwNR8QeWq8RTUAAR7NMYOzE95PXdSw$ > > Use R for psychology personality-project.org/r > > It is 90 seconds to midnight > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.thebulletin.org__;!!H8mHWRdzp34!6ejyrhAkkZDmz7rI2sf4kna51unncXyvnIMc9xJ12h6pMfylTwNR8QeWq8RTUAAR7NMYOzFQyyeCDA$ > >
Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS X Sonoma
On 02/10/2023 05:41, David Winsemius wrote: Neither of you have mentioned anything about the need for reinstallation of Xquartz. Was that done? I did not need to do so when updating to Sonoma. And of course the E.app console (not 'base R') which seems to be the issue does not use X11. I also did not need to reinstall CLT on this occasion. The main issue I have found with Sonoma is that it has changed to a different (apparently FreeBSD-derived) implementation of iconv with (deliberate but undocumented in the release notes) changes in behaviour yet still reporting itself as 'libiconv 1.11' using a call specific to GNU libiconv). We have started added workarounds to R-devel and R-patched. — David. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 1, 2023, at 10:02 AM, William Revelle wrote: Rodney, Thanks for your quick reply. It turns out this is just a problem with the base R for Mac graphics window (which is to say, the version I like). I can still use R-studio (which I don’t like as much). I can wait patiently for a patch to the Mac version while using R-Studio. That way I don’t have to go through the hassle of trying to reinstall 13.x and dumping 14.0. Bill On Oct 1, 2023, at 11:22 AM, Sparapani, Rodney wrote: Hi Bill: Well, I am usually pretty cautious about this. I don’t move to the next release until R is ready. For Ventura, it took quite awhile before that happened. Sorry -- Rodney Sparapani, Associate Professor of Biostatistics, He/Him/His Vice President, Wisconsin Chapter of the American Statistical Association Institute for Health and Equity, Division of Biostatistics Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Campus From: R-SIG-Mac on behalf of William Revelle Date: Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:19 AM To: r-sig-mac@r-project.org Subject: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS 1 ATTENTION: This email originated from a sender outside of MCW. Use caution when clicking on links or opening attachments. Dear Mac users of R and developers. I recently updated to the Sonoma OS for Mac (14.0) and it has a serious problem for graphics. plot(1:10) creates a graphic window but I can not switch back to the console window using either command-1 or the mouse. Anybody else having this problem? Any suggestions for a patch? I am running a MacBook Pro with M1 Max. Bill (resent because of bad mail address) William Revellepersonality-project.org/revelle.html Professorpersonality-project.org Department of Psychology https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.wcas.northwestern.edu/psych/__;!!H8mHWRdzp34!6ejyrhAkkZDmz7rI2sf4kna51unncXyvnIMc9xJ12h6pMfylTwNR8QeWq8RTUAAR7NMYOzH5OX_pOA$ Northwestern University https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.northwestern.edu/__;!!H8mHWRdzp34!6ejyrhAkkZDmz7rI2sf4kna51unncXyvnIMc9xJ12h6pMfylTwNR8QeWq8RTUAAR7NMYOzE95PXdSw$ Use R for psychology personality-project.org/r It is 90 seconds to midnight https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.thebulletin.org__;!!H8mHWRdzp34!6ejyrhAkkZDmz7rI2sf4kna51unncXyvnIMc9xJ12h6pMfylTwNR8QeWq8RTUAAR7NMYOzFQyyeCDA$ ___ R-SIG-Mac mailing list R-SIG-Mac@r-project.org https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac__;!!H8mHWRdzp34!6ejyrhAkkZDmz7rI2sf4kna51unncXyvnIMc9xJ12h6pMfylTwNR8QeWq8RTUAAR7NMYOzHD4ZY2UQ$ William Revellepersonality-project.org/revelle.html Professorpersonality-project.org Department of Psychology www.wcas.northwestern.edu/psych/ Northwestern Universitywww.northwestern.edu/ Use R for psychology personality-project.org/r It is 90 seconds to midnightwww.thebulletin.org ___ R-SIG-Mac mailing list R-SIG-Mac@r-project.org https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac ___ R-SIG-Mac mailing list R-SIG-Mac@r-project.org https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac -- Brian D. Ripley, rip...@stats.ox.ac.uk Emeritus Professor of Applied Statistics, University of Oxford ___ R-SIG-Mac mailing list R-SIG-Mac@r-project.org https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS X Sonoma
Neither of you have mentioned anything about the need for reinstallation of Xquartz. Was that done? — David. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 1, 2023, at 10:02 AM, William Revelle wrote: > > Rodney, > > Thanks for your quick reply. > > It turns out this is just a problem with the base R for Mac graphics window > (which is to say, the version I like). I can still use R-studio (which I > don’t like as much). > > I can wait patiently for a patch to the Mac version while using R-Studio. > > That way I don’t have to go through the hassle of trying to reinstall 13.x > and dumping 14.0. > > Bill > > >> On Oct 1, 2023, at 11:22 AM, Sparapani, Rodney wrote: >> >> Hi Bill: >> Well, I am usually pretty cautious about this. I don’t move to the >> next release until R is ready. For Ventura, it took quite awhile >> before that happened. Sorry >> -- >> Rodney Sparapani, Associate Professor of Biostatistics, He/Him/His >> Vice President, Wisconsin Chapter of the American Statistical Association >> Institute for Health and Equity, Division of Biostatistics >> Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Campus >> From: R-SIG-Mac on behalf of William >> Revelle >> Date: Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:19 AM >> To: r-sig-mac@r-project.org >> Subject: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS 1 >> ATTENTION: This email originated from a sender outside of MCW. Use caution >> when clicking on links or opening attachments. >> >> >> Dear Mac users of R and developers. >> >> >> I recently updated to the Sonoma OS for Mac (14.0) and it has a serious >> problem for graphics. >> >> plot(1:10) creates a graphic window but I can not switch back to the console >> window using either command-1 or the mouse. >> >> Anybody else having this problem? Any suggestions for a patch? >> >> I am running a MacBook Pro with M1 Max. >> >> Bill >> >> >> (resent because of bad mail address) >> William Revellepersonality-project.org/revelle.html >> Professorpersonality-project.org >> Department of Psychology >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.wcas.northwestern.edu/psych/__;!!H8mHWRdzp34!6ejyrhAkkZDmz7rI2sf4kna51unncXyvnIMc9xJ12h6pMfylTwNR8QeWq8RTUAAR7NMYOzH5OX_pOA$ >> Northwestern University >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.northwestern.edu/__;!!H8mHWRdzp34!6ejyrhAkkZDmz7rI2sf4kna51unncXyvnIMc9xJ12h6pMfylTwNR8QeWq8RTUAAR7NMYOzE95PXdSw$ >> Use R for psychology personality-project.org/r >> It is 90 seconds to midnight >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.thebulletin.org__;!!H8mHWRdzp34!6ejyrhAkkZDmz7rI2sf4kna51unncXyvnIMc9xJ12h6pMfylTwNR8QeWq8RTUAAR7NMYOzFQyyeCDA$ >> >> ___ >> R-SIG-Mac mailing list >> R-SIG-Mac@r-project.org >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac__;!!H8mHWRdzp34!6ejyrhAkkZDmz7rI2sf4kna51unncXyvnIMc9xJ12h6pMfylTwNR8QeWq8RTUAAR7NMYOzHD4ZY2UQ$ > > > William Revellepersonality-project.org/revelle.html > Professorpersonality-project.org > Department of Psychology www.wcas.northwestern.edu/psych/ > Northwestern Universitywww.northwestern.edu/ > Use R for psychology personality-project.org/r > It is 90 seconds to midnightwww.thebulletin.org > > ___ > R-SIG-Mac mailing list > R-SIG-Mac@r-project.org > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac ___ R-SIG-Mac mailing list R-SIG-Mac@r-project.org https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS X Sonoma
Rodney, Thanks for your quick reply. It turns out this is just a problem with the base R for Mac graphics window (which is to say, the version I like). I can still use R-studio (which I don’t like as much). I can wait patiently for a patch to the Mac version while using R-Studio. That way I don’t have to go through the hassle of trying to reinstall 13.x and dumping 14.0. Bill > On Oct 1, 2023, at 11:22 AM, Sparapani, Rodney wrote: > > Hi Bill: > Well, I am usually pretty cautious about this. I don’t move to the > next release until R is ready. For Ventura, it took quite awhile > before that happened. Sorry > -- > Rodney Sparapani, Associate Professor of Biostatistics, He/Him/His > Vice President, Wisconsin Chapter of the American Statistical Association > Institute for Health and Equity, Division of Biostatistics > Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Campus > From: R-SIG-Mac on behalf of William > Revelle > Date: Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 11:19 AM > To: r-sig-mac@r-project.org > Subject: [R-SIG-Mac] R 4.3.1 fails on Mac OS 1 > ATTENTION: This email originated from a sender outside of MCW. Use caution > when clicking on links or opening attachments. > > > Dear Mac users of R and developers. > > > I recently updated to the Sonoma OS for Mac (14.0) and it has a serious > problem for graphics. > > plot(1:10) creates a graphic window but I can not switch back to the console > window using either command-1 or the mouse. > > Anybody else having this problem? Any suggestions for a patch? > > I am running a MacBook Pro with M1 Max. > > Bill > > > (resent because of bad mail address) > William Revellepersonality-project.org/revelle.html > Professorpersonality-project.org > Department of Psychology > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.wcas.northwestern.edu/psych/__;!!H8mHWRdzp34!6ejyrhAkkZDmz7rI2sf4kna51unncXyvnIMc9xJ12h6pMfylTwNR8QeWq8RTUAAR7NMYOzH5OX_pOA$ > Northwestern University > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.northwestern.edu/__;!!H8mHWRdzp34!6ejyrhAkkZDmz7rI2sf4kna51unncXyvnIMc9xJ12h6pMfylTwNR8QeWq8RTUAAR7NMYOzE95PXdSw$ > Use R for psychology personality-project.org/r > It is 90 seconds to midnight > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.thebulletin.org__;!!H8mHWRdzp34!6ejyrhAkkZDmz7rI2sf4kna51unncXyvnIMc9xJ12h6pMfylTwNR8QeWq8RTUAAR7NMYOzFQyyeCDA$ > > ___ > R-SIG-Mac mailing list > R-SIG-Mac@r-project.org > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac__;!!H8mHWRdzp34!6ejyrhAkkZDmz7rI2sf4kna51unncXyvnIMc9xJ12h6pMfylTwNR8QeWq8RTUAAR7NMYOzHD4ZY2UQ$ William Revellepersonality-project.org/revelle.html Professorpersonality-project.org Department of Psychology www.wcas.northwestern.edu/psych/ Northwestern Universitywww.northwestern.edu/ Use R for psychology personality-project.org/r It is 90 seconds to midnightwww.thebulletin.org ___ R-SIG-Mac mailing list R-SIG-Mac@r-project.org https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
