ave been OK after all, because
those users could just boot the installer with inst.mbr. I'm not sure
whether it makes sense to deprecate this now though.
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I'm rapidly approaching the
"fuck it" stage, because the burden is too high. I don't do anywhere
near as much kernel regression testing because (a) I don't want to
disable Secure Boot and (b) I'm unwilling to go through the hurdles to
sign the kernel w
nly aren't proposing that we use the standard Fedora keys to
> sign a binary blob that runs in kernel space from a company who was
> most recently hacked last month?
No way.
I don't think there's a mechanism for it, but I'd prefer Fedora sign
the 3rd party's key rather tha
> On 4/5/22 19:38, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > Apple and Microsoft signing NVIDIA's proprietary driver doesn't at all
> > indicate Apple and Microsoft trust the driver itself. It is trusting
> > the providence of the blob, in order to achieve an overall safer
> > ec
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 6:55 PM Jared Dominguez wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:51 PM Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:54 AM Ben Cotton wrote:
>> > Legacy BIOS support is not
>> > removed, but new non-UEFI installatio
rted for new installations.
This is removal of support. No mere deprecation.
> Installs will continue to work on UEFI, and will not work on Legacy
> BIOS.
Again, removal of support. The change does prevent their use for new
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needs signing is proprietary. That's a better user experience across
the board, including the security messaging is made consistent. The
existing policy serves no good at all and is double talk. If we really
care about security mo
use the "small" config from there, which includes the smaller
> inode_size. The thresholds are hard-coded in mke2fs though.
OK this explains what's going on. Anaconda doesn't do mkfs.ext4, it
executes mke2fs, so the small fs_type values are probably being
applied, rather th
021)'
Pretty sure what you need is the extra_isize feature, which requires
256 byte inode size, which near as I can tell is the mkfs.ext4
default.
When I change to a 300M loop device size, and reformat, I still get
256 inode_size, and extra_isize is also set.
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wrote:
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:51 PM Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 11:47 AM Gregory Bartholomew
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I haven't done a "default" Fedora Server insta
bably unacceptably high that the user ends up abandoned on a
deserted island, in which case it's better to just steer them toward
the well understood and document process of reprovisioning (clean
install time). Yes it's tedious, but it's well understood and very
reliable, and that counts fo
It is possible to do this. But Cloud has a much
narrower set of virtualized firmwares to deal with, and getting bugs
fixed is pretty likely. Whereas any bugs discovered in hardware's
firmware is unlikely to get fixed anytime soon.
The biggest though is likely lack of resources. It'd amount to
foisti
permit the
loading of non-compliant bootloaders. That'd seem to be a Secure Boot
break worthy of a firmware update. In particular if it's also possible
to invoke CSM boot via NVRAM variables.
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eems to work.
>
> Roger
>
> Am 01.04.22 um 19:46 schrieb Chris Murphy:
> > Bug is in samba.
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2068976
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Bug is in samba.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2068976
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Yeah. Jargon.
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> Hi all,
>
> On 3/29/22 23:25, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > * have a one time service delete all the printers, thereby forcing the
> > user to readd them, and then document this story
>
> The statements from ab
e it's possible at this point, cc'd Zdenek)
* have a notification pop-up warn the user (this is probably an f37 timeframe)
* have a one time service delete all the printers, thereby forcing the
user to readd them, and then document this story
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ence that it can be repaired rather than
make things worse. So you should start out with the earlier mount
commands to get anything important out of the fs first. IF those don't
work and there's important information to get out, you need to use
btrfs restore.
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incompatible with using them as swapfiles. The entry in fstab looks
like this:
UUID=$uuid /var/swap btrfs noatime,subvol=varswap 0 0
man 5 btrfs has a SWAPFILE SUPPORT section that's fairly detailed steps.
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On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 5:00 PM Chris Murphy wrote:
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> On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 2:32 PM Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 9:14 PM Chris Murphy
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > For all practical purposes, this is fu
On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 2:32 PM Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
wrote:
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> On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 9:14 PM Chris Murphy wrote:
> >
> > For all practical purposes, this is functionally the end to dual boot
> > in GRUB, if there is no work around, e.g. bootnext. Is tha
For all practical purposes, this is functionally the end to dual boot
in GRUB, if there is no work around, e.g. bootnext. Is that the
direction GRUB maintainers want to go in?
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that you can hibernate, but
> not resume?
>
> The fix is to run "dracut -a resume -f". This will update the initramfs
> to include the bits that let resume work. In order for this to continue
> working with kernel updates, you need to add a dracut config file with
>
(a) consistency
no matter the existence of /usr/lib/modules (b) we don't get hung up
somehow loading the graphical environment possibly needing things in
/usr/lib/modules that aren't available.
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fs's in Fedora infra and signing them?
* Stuff a graphical rescue environment into the initramfs? (This
might be ten leaps too far, but it's intended to encourage thinking
with a vivid imagination.)
[1] both values from a recent Fedora 36 Workstation installation
[2] https://pagure
.
B. Release-blocking desktops must ship a version of Firefox [default
web browser] that avoids it being downgraded when performing a system
upgrade.
[1]
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2057193#c6
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> Chris Murphy wrote:
> > A work around is having GRUB set an NVRAM variable indicating the next
> > boot should be Windows. That's an instruction to the firmware, so
> > there's no intermediary, thus measu
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> On Di, 22.02.22 14:36, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 12:34 PM Gary Buhrmaster
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Perhaps there are additional hints in:
&g
help.
# systemctl show -p WantedBy,RequiredBy,After,Before network-online.target
RequiredBy=
WantedBy=packagekit.service dnf-makecache.timer
Before=shutdown.target iscsid.service kdump.service
dnf-makecache.service iscsi.service
After=network.target NetworkManager-wait-online.se
On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 10:50 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
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> On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 10:41:50AM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > $ cat /usr/lib/systemd/system/dnf-makecache.timer
> > [Unit]
> > Description=dnf makecache --timer
> > ConditionKernelComman
ts causing this
problem than just the two I'm seeing.
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stall, nfs-convert.service is enabled, but vendor
preset is disabled. I do not know why. When I use "systemctl
preset-all" it's not enabled. And I'm not finding any candidates in
/etc for a local change.
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> On Di, 22.02.22 09:38, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote:
>
> > Do any of Fedora desktop spins and Workstation edition need
> > NetworkManager-wait-online.service enabled by default?
> >
> &g
boot time doesn't seem reasonable.
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spits out its kernel
messages to the computer with wifi, no problem. And there's no kernel
warnings.
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(You could use 'btrfs send -f' and place the stream as a file on a
non-btrfs file system. But you can't really look inside of it like a
snapshot received on a btrfs file system.)
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wrote:
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> On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 11:46:33AM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 10:18 AM Lennart Sorensen
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 04:48:43PM -0700, Chris Murph
On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 10:18 AM Lennart Sorensen
wrote:
>
> On Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 04:48:43PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > One idea I've heard floated is, having GRUB alter efivars such that
> > BootNext is changed to do a one time boot of Windows, instead of using
> &
tNext" for this use case? Or else I guess distros need to consider
removing the creation of a Windows menu entry, as there's no point
creating menu entries that don't work.
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age, really. If
you've ever been confused about strip and stripe [3], it's not you,
it's the words themselves.
[3] These two terms are not synonyms. [4]
[4] It really could make you a bit bonkers. I've really digressed now.
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On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 4:10 PM Chris Murphy wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> I'm running Fedora 35, and I'm trying to replicate a Fedora 36 root
> snapshot from one Btrfs file system to another, but it fails.
>
> This
I'm not
super fussy how that's done. The advantage of this is permitting
static creation of configuration files, less dependency on customized
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fdisk -l /dev/sdX
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st as
they are in normal write workloads, can get extremely bogged down and
take minutes to recover. So I wouldn't discount hardware as a
contributing factor, even if it is also a regression.
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the underlying filesystem? And then do an
fs resize (shrink or grow) as needed on login, so that the user home
shows ~80% of the free space in the underlying file system?
homework-luks.c:3407:/* Before we
shrink, let's trim the file system, so that we need less space on disk
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Multiple suitable root partitions found in image
'/var/lib/machines/FCB35-20220127.raw'.
https://pagure.io/cloud-sig/issue/367
Since I got stuck at this point, there may still be more issues to report.
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Forgot to mention, I do see GRUB knows about "BIOS boot" partition
type guid, when it comes to the grub-install command. But I'm not sure
if GRUB as a concept of doing a search by arbitrary partition type
codes.
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by partition types rather than by specific and unique file system or
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right now.
https://github.com/kdave/btrfs-progs/issues/271
I'm not sure if systemd folks would use libbtrfsutil facility to
determine the minimum device shrink size? But also even the kernel
doesn't have a very good idea of how small a file system can be
shrunk. Right now it basically has to just start trying, and does it
one block group at a time.
Adding systemd-devel@
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> Apparently this happens also on ext4 filesystems.
:facepalm: haha! ok well then the previous email i just sent can be
ignored as it relates to this problem!
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> On 1/24/22 05:14, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > What file system is being used in each case?
> >
>
> Everything is btrfs.
>
> > This is a bit obscure but... cp and mv use reflink=auto. On XFS and
> &g
it works. I
think on Btrfs, it will create nested subvolumes, i.e. they are not
mounted with the subvol mount option, hence no mount point boundary.
But on other file systems, I think nspawn creates a loop mounted file
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4. Click blue text at the bottom "Full disk summary and boot loader..."
5. Select the (in my case single) drive, click the "Do not install
bootloader" button
6. Close and install
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are designed to work, and it's clearly
> important enough that we should make it part of the release criteria
> that things actually work that way. But for traditional RPM-based
> installs, it doesn't really seem like something we can usefully address
> in the criteria to me.
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are other ways of updating being explored to reduce the reboot to one.
And reduce update frequency so that the compulsory reboots aren't
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> the past but I assumed it's better to have it clearly visible (this one could
> be moved to Beta, possibly).
>
> Finally it adds a requirement that the package manager must not mislead the
> user by showing e.g. something as installed w
On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 11:14 PM Panu Matilainen wrote:
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> On 1/20/22 06:16, Chris Murphy wrote:
> >> Deleting /var/lib/net-snmp/snmpd.conf means making the agent look like a
> >> new system, with new IDs, a renumbered interface table, and loss of
> >> SNMPv
On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 6:14 PM Chris Adams wrote:
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> Once upon a time, Chris Murphy said:
> > > For example, snmpd stores program-generated config in /var/lib/net-snmp,
> > > which gets merged with config from /etc/snmp.
> >
> > What's the exact cons
m-generated config in /var/lib/net-snmp,
> which gets merged with config from /etc/snmp.
What's the exact consequence of deleting either /etc/snmp and
/var/lib/net-snmp - separately and together?
If there's program-generated config in /var/lib/net-snmp, why can't it
regenerate it when its missing
are ideally located on.
My instinct is this matters less for installation and daily usage, and
more as a logical puzzle for disaster recovery. What items need to be
restored and how, in order to make a bad day less bad.
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ories is not a good idea.
>
> /etc is meant to be editable by user.
Whereas /var/lib is not:
FHS 5.8.1
Users must never need to modify files in /var/lib to configure a
package's operation, and the specific file hierarchy used to store the
data must not be exposed to reg
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Yep. Is a full system rollback really called for here? It'll work, but
it's a hammer. So maybe services need to learn to be a little
suspicious of /etc configs, and fail safe? Maybe system critical items
should be able to fall back to /usr/etc?
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> Once upon a time, Chris Murphy said:
> > If you value Fedora having a snapshot and rollback scheme of some
> > kind, it's useful and beneficial. If you don't, then the change is
> > neutral because it has not a s
cheme?
Maybe this:
https://github.com/lnussel/lnussel.github.io/blob/fs/_posts/2020-12-16-fslayout.md
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up no space and instead all share a single
storage pool, though it organizationally adds complexity.
Would putting /var/lib/rpm on a dedicated LVM LV actually be
entertained? I think it wouldn't.
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can be disembodied
from their payload, just leaving the metadata, seems like it's
plausible to reconstruct an rpmdb from checksums of what's installed
versus would could be installed. This raises questions like, garbage
collection of all these rpm files, would they be removed when the
package is remove
On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 8:49 AM David Cantrell wrote:
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> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 02:53:52PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
> >I don't see how /state solves the problem, rather than just
> >rearranging the chairs.
>
> I've seen the rearranging the chairs comment i
information available to us is available to them.
Yet they are saying /usr/lib/sysimage is the correct location for
rpmdb. It requires a stronger argument than provided so far to
convince me they arrived at the wrong conclusion.
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rpm-ostree (on the client)? Would it be practical to split that out in
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On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 2:57 PM Neal Gompa wrote:
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> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 3:54 AM Chris Murphy wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 1:36 AM Panu Matilainen wrote:
> > >
> > > > So by moving the rpmdb to /usr, it's basically saying tha
On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 7:03 AM Colin Walters wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022, at 4:05 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 02:53:52PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
> >> Should /usr be independently portable? And is that with a versio
On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 2:07 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 02:53:52PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > Should /usr be independently portable? And is that with a version
> > matched /opt, or can there be mix and match revisions of /usr and
>
On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 2:04 AM Panu Matilainen wrote:
>
> On 1/12/22 10:45, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 2:00 AM Panu Matilainen wrote:
> >> For many practical purposes it's probably just rearranging the chairs,
> >> but a separate top-level di
Changes/RelocateRPMToUsr#Dependencies
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ngs more
> problems than it solves.
Given the choice, I prefer rpm only touches /usr, which includes
/usr/var and /usr/etc.
But if left unconstrained, having databases inside the directories
they describe is more reliable than treating the database as a sidecar
file that can much more
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 6:56 AM Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 5:39 PM Chris Murphy wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 10:55 AM Stephen Gallagher
> > wrote:
> >
> > > A further quote from the same section of the FHS su
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 9:42 AM Lukáš Hrázký wrote:
>
> Chris, apologies for the late reply.
>
> On Mon, 2021-12-13 at 13:02 -0500, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 10:07 AM Lukáš Hrázký wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2021-12-10 at 17:08 +01
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 9:42 AM Lukáš Hrázký wrote:
>
> Chris, apologies for the late reply.
>
> On Mon, 2021-12-13 at 13:02 -0500, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 10:07 AM Lukáš Hrázký wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2021-12-10 at 17:08 +01
ditional RPM Fedora. This same hierarchy could be used for
> /var/log and /var/lib/libvirt/images as well.
This is a nice fit
/var/lib/rpm -> /usr/var/lib/rpm
But it's an ask directed at those who have already implemented this
change, if it's compelling enough for them to change again.
ll time. It either needs to become aware of multiple root
trees, and even mix and match top-level directories to create variable
roots. And possibly even manage these things. Or it needs to constrain
its reach to /usr and /opt. Whether /usr and /opt are tied together
On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 6:07 PM Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
>
> On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 7:53 PM Chris Murphy wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 7:53 AM Fabio Valentini wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 3:39 PM Neal Gompa wrote:
> > > &
installs* of the current two releases. But in practice quite a
lot of users depend on reliable upgrades for *many* releases, and they
get mad when things break even when it's been 10+ releases since they
did a clean install. And also, Workstation edition PRD "upgrade
process should give a result
module (the parts that are open
source anyway). It's an open question who could or should sign
NVIDIA's key, to narrowly indicate trust. And also a mechanism for
revoking that trust without breaking everything else.
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But now I'm in the weeds, and it should be a different thread to
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> On Thu, 2022-01-06 at 11:31 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 1:23 AM Tomasz Torcz wrote:
> >
> > > My rawhide system seem to have both and boot even other kernel:
> > >
On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 11:31 AM Chris Murphy wrote:
>
> If it's missing, I wonder if it's a bug? I thought Fedora's blscfg
> looks in all of:
> 1. ESP//loader/entries
> 2. XBOOTLDR//loader/entries
> 3. GRUB's "root"//loader/entries
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rp
t's a bug? I thought Fedora's blscfg
looks in all of:
1. ESP//loader/entries
2. XBOOTLDR//loader/entries
3. GRUB's "root"//loader/entries
In default installs, GRUB root is the 1G ext4 /boot volume.
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On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 1:55 PM Chris Murphy wrote:
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> Does anyone know what /var/lib/rpm-state/gconf is used for? Owning
> package is GConf2-3.2.6-31.fc35.x86_64
>
OK nevermind. GConf2 is dead upstream, and the only thing I have
dragging it in is pdfmod.
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an rpmdb state
change that this location isn't privy to.
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On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 9:10 AM Robert Moskowitz wrote:
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> On 12/31/21 00:22, Chris Murphy wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 2:03 PM Robert Moskowitz
> > wrote:
> >> so something killed it and since tomorrow is garbage day...
> >>
> >> S
On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 3:59 PM Chris Murphy wrote:
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> ZFS uses volume and user properties which we could probably mimic with
> xattr. I thought I asked about xattr instead of subvolume names at one
> point in the thread but I don't see it. So instead of using subvolume
> na
must fall back to read-only?)
Made a note in the change to investigate this. What I'm seeing with
stat are ctime and/or mtime updates of the -shm and -wal files. I'm
not sure either should be changing. I'm using noatime, but I expect
atime updates probably happen with all these files normally.
ure two bugs are filed against libguestfs and
> supermin components to track this change (if it happens).
Made a note for this in the scope
> Will the symlink also exist on new installs, or only on upgrades?
Both.
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