hether doing two updates in a row was really useful, if I remember.) That
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"Gone in 40" _does_ technically fit into the letter of "drop by 41"... but
maybe not the spirit?
I think a "drop in 41" change (and a clear item in the F40 release notes!)
is probably the best way to clear the air -- but I don't thi
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AI models (and perhaps some of Tim's helpful definitions) to the examples of
"permissible content" higher on that same page.
But I am not going to do it today, because there is enough going on with xz
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Fedora Linux 39 is now officially available.
Read the details in our Fedora Magazine article at:
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or download installer images from:
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or, of course, just upgrade your already-installed systems, which
shouldn't
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> Thank you for all the effort you have put into maintaining these
> packages so far, for the benefit of all of Fedora, and consequently
> its downstream!
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> I still do not understand what happened 2 days ago.
Sorry, I missed that -- the infrastructure team doesn't actually handle
Discourse. I'll respond to you there.
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before I'd personally back that, I'd like to see it _really_ revitalized...
it needs to be more than a heroic effort by a few people. Otherwise, we'll
be back in the same place in few years.
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mix is definitely not the intention and it
> has already proven futile in a previous mishap.
Right -- I really don't want to split the conversation. With the telemetry
change, I didn't ask moderators here to take a heavy hand, because people
had a lot they wanted to say and I didn't want to squ
> On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 2:09 PM Richard Fontana wrote:
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> > On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 10:14 AM Matthew Miller
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/does-distributing-a-kickstart-file-containing-non-free-repositories-violate-fedora-l
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ate document. And,
unrelatedly, the existing privacy statement is in the process of an update
-- needs a refresh for legal changes, and there are number of things that it
suggests we might do that I think we have no interest in and should drop
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tal hoops are more... hoopy... than would be idea. But once set up, it
shouldn't be difficult. If you _are_ finding rough spots in that, I can
raise the issues and see if we can make things beter.
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On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 09:46:26AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> I don't think there's a formal change filed yet.
>
> Matthew: Did you want to do that? Or would you like me or someone else
> to do so?
I would love someone else to do so, but if no one else wants to, I can. :)
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lor, too).
>>>
>>> Here’s how I detailed the rear brake hanger. Not so quickly adjusted but
>>> my wife hates me fiddling with her bike, now that it is dialed in. The
>>> green most closely looks like the seat tube in this photo.
>>>
>>> Allan McL
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> This package has a dead upstream and has been obsoleted (in most
> occurrences) by the hunspell package [2].
Oh no! I will have to update my joerc! And remember how to update my joerc!
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erness that also removes doc-build dependencies without package
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Ideally
that's orthogonal to Fedora runtime release, but practically speaking that's
what we have now. Maybe in the future we could build a "slow" stream as part
of EPEL on a UBI or CentOS Stream runtime?
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ing point with Software Collections was the complixity it
introduced into spec files -- lots of special macros that had to be used
just-so.
(And of course there were a lot of disagreements about naming things.)
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rfect, but it is, at least, _docs_.
1. My predecessor as FPL, for the new folks around here.
2. Standard warning: Do not visit TV Tropes if you value the next 10 hours
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> > I've written this:
> > https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/guide-to-interacting-with-this-site-by-email/25960
> > and I'd love feedback on it.
>
> Asking feedback f
dora must migrate away, and to something where you'll be making more
> individual decisions.
Honestly, it's just plain not sustainable for me to keep doing that, whether
or not it's good or bad. :)
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NNTP. Gmane is a software that specifically exists to bridge email to NNTP.
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y control feature turned on (F7 in
Firefox), you can use this in combination — j/k to move between posts, and
then arrow keys over to shift-arrow select the part you want, and then again
q to quote (or if it is a post you have permission to edit — your own, or a
wiki post, or you're a mod — e to edi
cly-facing option to something
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ow to get it from Matrix. We can get it from Discourse with
some SQL queries. https://discourse.org/plugins/data-explorer.html
Once we have such a query defined, I can make it available for anyone (or
certain groups of people) to run. (It's not generally available because you
can query _a lot_.)
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> >Accessiblity is important to Fedora, and I take this seriously. For
> >Discourse, hit the ? key to bring up the page describing keyboard shortcuts.
>
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> notifications yet. Sorry about that! Badges is on our list of tech debt to
> handle, so hopefully it won't last too long.
s/tech debt/older software that needs work to reduce ongoing maintenance costs/
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that isn't going to change.
* Dealing with email has a lot of corner cases, so there will be rough
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ead than they should be. The same is true in your other
> mails, it's not a one-off thing.]
This is probably Gmail's web client. It does this, and other odd things that
make it very frustrating to use for anything but "top-post,
quote-everything".
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can trigger on post, edit, metadata change, and other things. That's
probably a better interface than email mangling.
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> - Another problem is that there are already too many tags available and
> the tag description is not visible in the post submit form. I think a
> new user would be confused what tag to use. I'm confused too, but that's
> probably just me...
That's useful feedback. We're wor
hat we can do that without losing contributors.
Fair enough! I intend to only submit the Changes move to FESCo at this time
(or, once this discussion has settled), and the rest can come as it does. I
just wanted to also give a clear picture of what I'm aiming for right up
front.
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6692. (In short, the
consequences are that processes which map more memory can do so, which is
bad for memory usage overall and can hurt performance.)
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andalone program[0] which is not built in the package, so it should
> be clear that it isn't available.
Silly question: would it make any sense at all to use _podman_ as a
replacement for firecracker's jailer?
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In that case, subscribing by category should do the trick. Categories are
not light-weight, so we're unlikely to create new ones without fanfare. It's
not just one checkbox, but there are only a handful of main ones anyway.
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I talk to a lot of people about getting involved in Fedora. "Sign up for
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he client-side. (These are very
easy to install into a given site, unlike weightier server-side plugins.)
Or maybe even just some CSS. What exactly did you have in mind?
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> security reasons).
Reasonably enough. There might be an option to embed images -- I'll look.
For what it's worth, the images should all (and only) come from the
dedicated CDN site for our hosting, and there's no linked tracking on our
side or Discourse's. There's probably logs somewhere
> post/comment).
I'm actually pretty impressed with how decent it is in elinks for a modern
website. I do think you need Javascript to post, though. (And our elinks
does not seem to be built with such support, which probably isn't sufficient
anyway, alas.)
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hat you want to subscribe to, just as
you would subscribe to individual mailing lists.
I have a post about this and Fedora Discussion specifically:
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On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 11:07:16AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Matthew Miller said:
> > * also, to fix typos :)
>
> So, I will say this is kind of a peeve of mine about server-based
> discussion systems (whether web or client like Slack/Discord): allowin
do have some options for
handling this. We are (very soon now) going to have sync of FAS groups to
Discourse. If we want or need to, we could limit posting in Project
Discussion to people who are members of one or more FAS groups.
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> year/month like the mailing lists is very comfortable in comparison.
There isn't (as far as I know) a browsable year/month view, but you can
limit searches with before and after:
https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/search?q=%23server-wg%20after%3A2021-01-01%20before%3A2021-02
and whenever there is a
new patch, you get a notification. (You can decide if you want these
immediately, hourly, daily, or weekly.)
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comments.
I really don't think that's a _tooling_ issue.
>
> This is an experience I want to avoid. If this is what Matthew is
> proposing a Fedora development discussions to be, then sorry, this is
> not an improvement.
Well, no. It is not what I am proposing.
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me. Keeping up with fedora-devel takes very little of my time;
> keeping up with Discourse instances is a much slower affair.
What could we do to make that easier for you?
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> threading of emails. I was not getting lost in threads of conversation
> while still being under the umbrella topic, no need to open who knows how
> many links to read all tangents.
I appreciate your perspective, feedback, and willingness to try this out!
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your primary way of interacting, you _can_ do something with them. But it
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On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 08:24:48PM -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
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> > I am proposing that over the course of 2023, starting with the Changes
> > process, we move Fedora development conversations from this mailing list to
> > the D
evel overall is ultimately a Fedora Council
decision.
For right now, though: let’s discuss — on the list!
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I don't have an effort like that planned, but I would not be opposed to
someone who wants to work on that.
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eve it
will be worth it.
Devel list actually covers a lot of different topics. Discourse lets us
categorize those better while still keeping it all together.
The first thing I suggest moving is discussion around proposed Changes. This
is a FESCo decision. The rest I won't duplicate here.
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For right now, though: let’s discuss — on the list!
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Fedora Linux 38 is coming to you a week early!
Our release schedule has two dates: a main target date (which you
should usually expect) and an "early" target (which is is kind of
like the thing where you set your clock five minutes early so
you're not late). This time around, thanks to the hard
bigger moderation team to help with
that. (This too is waiting on the FAS group sync.)
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removes most limits. (The "trust level 0" limits are pretty important
to stop spammers and trolls, so I don't want to relax them further.)
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Yeah, this is a change from previous guidance. Instead of trying to calculate
the effect, just state what's there. Even if it makes the expression kind of
long and unwieldy.
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le, version 6.x contains a Fedora icon, while previous versions
> do not.
Version 5.x contains an an unauthorized not-so-great single-color hackup of
the "classic" logo. Version 6.x contains an authorized rendition of the
legit current logo.
Is 6.x backwards compatible with 5?
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" would be the easiest way to go. And the default
config could be changed in DNF at any time for F38+.
It doesn't sound like it's really worthwhile to bother changing F36 or F37.
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hem but getting an average 0.01% size
benefit... that probably doesn't outweigh the costs.
But, we _can_ tell (again, see previous discussion) that what we're
currently providing is really unlikely to be very useful. So, I'm not
actually sure this approach buys us anything.
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"very long time". There is work in
the right direction, and supporting that can only help.
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* ongoing maintenance work
* other?
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real benefits (and could possibly do even more.)
But, I think it's time to move on. We have ostree and various
container-delta approaches. We should focus on those — and give DeltaRPMs a
sad, fond farewell.
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If anyone is interested in tackling this, I'd love to hear your thoughts
(either now, or save them up for when we get to planning the details of that
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and so on) to people who might be running a different distro underneath.
(And then hopefully coax them over entirely. I mean, if they want. No
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bout others. Lets
> reset and take the time to heal first, so people start actually
> talking about real solutions again.
Yep, I definitely agree with this.
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t need special consideration.
Most crucially, let's please drop the idea that anyone is acting out of malice.
I'm
quite sure that everyone arguing passionately on both sides of this issue
has the best interest of Fedora and of Fedora Linux users in mind. Let's all
keep that framing in mind in the
c 22, 2022 at 07:14:58PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> I'm working on implementing my fas-groups-to-discourse-groups bridge. My
> goal is to have this work from the message bus.
>
> I can see that `org.fedoraproject.prod.fas.group.member.sponsor` triggers
> when someone is
On Mon, Jan 02, 2023 at 01:06:52PM +0100, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Matthew Miller wrote:
> > Okay. no. This is not how we do things here.
> Apologies for my snide remark that visibly came out rude, sorry.
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On Mon, Jan 02, 2023 at 01:59:46AM +0100, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> The application can pick the options with which each library is compiled?
> What a stupid idea! Now I understand why the language is called "Rust".
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a group. (Nor are there any user-related messages.)
I must be missing something obvious, here
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On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 11:40:25AM +0200, Alexander Bokovoy wrote:
> Since I myself don't use a containerized deployment like you do, please
> help me to help you by trying this configuration and reporting back what
> you see.
This does seem to work -- details tk.
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So, if I provide the keytab as a secret, set the above environment
variables, and use requests-gssapi, it should just work? (And, does it
matter where ccache points?)
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> an "application proxy" that will just do the query for you/your app,
> reason why it needs a kerberos ticket.
Ah, thanks. That's definitely a crucial thing I was missing.
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Unless I am missing something (and I might be)... that really offers
basically the same protection. So. would it be possible to just
allow-list connections coming from the Communishift nodes?
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ackage inclusion process. And if it happened, I am certain I
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