Dear Khazeh and friends,
I am interested in studying this text. I just skimmed through it and loved it. This is finals weeks so I cannot participate.
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When was this document written, and what does it mean that it was 'comissioned' by the House?Khazeh Fananapazir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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This is a very interesting document, and I am interest in reading through this.This was written for Naw-Ruz 2005, right?
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I found this on another discussion group:
"Well I for one am a person that has been exploring religions all my life and I would never reject any of them but something really draws me to Bahai it makes sense. I've done some good reading about it. It fits perfectly in the society we live in and
TITLE: The Proof Based on Establishment (Dalíl-i-taqrír) and the Proof Based on Verses (H.ujjiyyat-i-ayát) - An Introduction to Bahá'í-Muslim Apologetics [Kavian Milani]
dalíl-i-taqrír overview:
1.Concept of the Manifestation of God.
- God has undisputed sovereignty over creation and the
Mark,
I don't know much about the Unification Church, but al-Qa'ida does not fulfill Abu'l-Fadl's criterion for truth.
I did not get to the section that deals with the response of critics, but will do so very soon.
To get to the point, al-Qa'ida doesn't count because itis still dependent on the
Mark: al-Qa'ida largely fulfills the condition I mentioned (though perhaps not as closely as the Unification Church). Whether the leadership of al-Qa'ida claims divine revelation, assuming the network even exists and is not merely a construction of certain Western governments, they do assert some
Gilberto: Maybe I'm misreading you but it seems like you are saying one canjudge the truth by worldly success and that seems really problematic.
Gilberto, I think Mark summed it up pretty well:
"He [Mirza Abu'l-Fadl]did not claim that all the religions of God are enduring (which might itself need
Gilberto: It's just the other side of the same coin. Yes, there are presumablyuninspired individuals who have made claims and have persisted andbecome successful in some sense. There are also individuals who arepresumably inspired but whose movements didn't survive.Gilberto: So for instance in
Gilberto: How do you determine whether a particular religion has "endured"? Forexample, among the contemporary neo-pagan movement there are groups ofpeople who claim to still worship the ancient Greek, Roman, Egyptian,Mesoptamian and Norse Gods. Does that mean those religions
Gilberto:For example, among the contemporary neo-pagan movement there are groups of people who claim to still worship the ancient Greek, Roman, Egyptian,Mesoptamian and Norse Gods. Does that mean those religions have"endured"?
This might help regarding ancient religions:
Once the dalíl-i-taqrír
Ian: Also: "in this age the peoples of the world need the arguments of reason." (SAQ 7)
Abdu'-Baha in the interview with with Pasteur Monnier :
"...we give an explanation which is accepted by reason, an explanation that no one need find occasion to reject."
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This is in regards to Baha'u'llah's fast prayers that begins with "These are, O my God, the days whereon Thou didst enjoin Thy servants to observe the fast."
Afterasking God not to prevent people from observing the ordinances ofHis Revelation,Baha'u'llah states that the potency of it (this
I am convinced that the greatest gift God gave to man for this day is the sense of fear. We must learn to expunge ourselves of all fear: except the Fear of God.
"Lay not aside the fear of God, O ye the learned of the world..." -Baha'u'llah
"Fear ye God, and be not of those who perish."
Sorry, it is 2:04 am here, so I am a bit tired. The third quote should read:
"Fear ye not God Who hath created you, and fashioned you, and caused you to attain your strength, and joined you with them that have resigned themselves to Him (Muslims)?" - Baha'u'llah
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Today is the 3rd of Muharram 1426 of the Islam calendar. In seven days, or the 10th of Muharram, the anniversary of the martyrdom of the Imam Husayn will be observed. As you all know, Bahá'u'lláhrevealed a Tablet of Visitation in honor ofthe Imam Husayn. In memory of the Imam Husaynand his
Hi,
Just to clarify, I am not engaging in, or attempting to engage in, a Muslim-Baha'i dialogue. Baha'u'llah wrote a Tablet of Visitation for Imam Husayn, to be read on the commemoration of his martyrdom. This Tablet is part of the Baha'i Holy Text.
With regards.
Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL
`Abdul-Baha in Abu-Sinan:September 1914 May 1915
How were you able to narrow this down to the actual months of Sept. and May?
In the course of the next two decades the situationimproved and gradually other Bahais were able to settle in `Akka,
How did it improve and why?
his younger
G: I think you should explain the logic of the rest of the passage more clearly because it doesn't seem based in the text itself.
Gilberto, the more you try to argue that a belief in Baha'u'llah is illogical and false (after numerous emailsconclusively provingthe Truth), the more convinced do I
bequalified somehow then it is not "aboslutely" true. It's not anythingthat should be lamented, its just trying to be accurate.
JS: Muhammad's truth was absolutely true, but the infidels somehow managed to discard all the proofs and rejected the Prophet.---
G: Yes, if Bahais can say that &quo
G: But the period from Muhammad's lifetime to the Bab's lifetime waswell over 1000 years.
JS: The 1000 years is calculated from the 12th Imam, or last member of Muhammad's Household in the Shia line, who disappeared in 260 AH. The Bab declared on 1260 AH, exactly 1000 years later. The reason
`Umar ibn al-Khattáb (may God be pleased with him) gave the oration on Friday and said: I heard the Messenger of God (peace be upon him) saying: `A party of my people will continue victorious upon the right path until the Cause of God (AMR-ALLAH) shall come.'
Attract the hearts of men, through
G: According to the Bahai faith, weren't those religions alreadysuperceded before Bahaullah?
JS: Yes, but the Baha'i belief is that Baha'u'llah has now come to unite all the religions, something that Islam and Christianity failed to do. The central teaching of Baha'u'llah is Unity.
G
G: Fifth, in terms of "closed-mindedness" I don't think I'm any more"closed-minded" to the Bahai faith than Bahais are to Islam. If peoplecame up with better and more attractive and persuasive answers to myquestions I would certainly be willing to change my mind. But the
to the Bahais, these things were already completedbefore Bahaullah in the time of the Bab. That's a discrepancy.
JS: I think I see what you mean. The Baha'i view is thatthe Characteristicdistinguishes Baha'u'llah from the Bab, Muhammad, and Jesus is that Baha'u'llah brings that AMR thatwillfinally fulfill
G: I think Mark's answer makes more sense to me. I don't think one canmake an objective case that Bahaullah fulfilled that particularprophecy. At least not in a way that could be expected to persuadenon-Bahais.
JS: Prophecies are a means to confirmingthe truth, just like miracles
How do I know that you aren't simply "attached" to the Bahai faith andunwilling to consider the alternatives?
Gilberto, I firmlystand behind the Prophet Muhammad with my life, and pledge that He is the True Prophet of God. I do not see the Prophet Muhammad and the Qur'an asan alternative.
I am in my first dayof Management Accountingclass working for an MBA. We are discussing 'costs', classification of costs, and characteristics of costs. Instead of listening to Prof. Johnston's lecture, I am thinking about Proofs of Baha'u'llah. (Can you condemn me??)
Shegave anintroduction to
JS: The growth has only slowed in the USA. The Baha'i community is in healthy growth in South America and Africa.G: Do you know where it is possible for me to look up those numbers?From what I know, the number of Baha'is in those continents are not tracked as accurately
Throughout the past century, the Bahá'ís of Iran have been persecuted. With the triumph of the Islamic revolution in 1979, this persecution has been systematized. More than 200 Bahá'ís have been executed or killed, hundreds more have been imprisoned, and tens of thousands have been deprived of
But even if you wanted to ignore that, or if you've addressed thatsome other way,
Obviously, Baha'is don't ignore it, but address the issue in a different, though logical,way.
I've sometimes asked what criteria one could apply to the Bahaiwritings in order to determine whether or not the book
It might seem logical to Bahais, but not necessarily to others. For example, one "answer" Bahais give is to say that all the prophets were the "seal of the prophets" which tends to render the phrase meaningless.
JS: To a Muslim it seems meaningless, but to a Baha'i it is
G: Thirdly, aside from the question of whether or not saying that the manifestation is "one and the same" with God is shirk or not, there is the even more bizzre claim that this is not only consistent with tawhid, but is actually the essence and definition of tawhid."The essence of belief in
"The essence of belief in Divine unity [tawhid] consisteth in regarding Him Who is the Manifestation of God and Him Who is the invisible, the inaccessible, the unknowable Essence as one and the same." (Gleanings p.166)
Also, this verse does not say that the unknowable Essence and the Manifestation
Baha'u'llah is emphasizing thathumans cannot know anything about God above and beyond the Manifestation. I'm sure you have come across 'Sadrat-ul-Muntaha' in the writings. The Manifestation is considered the Sadrat-ul-Muntaha, the absolute limit of what we are capable of understanding about God.
"Mutilation" of the World Order would be to see Baha'u'llah's original concept of His World Order as not containing the Guardianship. *That* is what Shoghi Effendi is saying would be to divorce the Guardianship from His World Order.
This is a very good way to look at it. I agree that in context
How does this understanding tie in with the following: Verily I say, in this most mighty Revelation, all the Dispensations of the past have attained their highest, their final consummation? (Gleanings, 340)
JS: Yes, if this verse it look at in a vacuum, then one is let to a triumphalistic
Ian or Mark,
What is the link between Hegel, Marx andcommunism/Marxism. Why iscommunism one of the 3 evils? Is there something wrong with the philosophy ordoesit have to do with the way it was carried out? Or is it because it rejects God?
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Hegel maintains that the juxtaposition and violent interaction of binary oppositions will continue until a position is reached which is so perfectly balanced that no new antithesis can arise, because there are no extremes left to form a thesis. This bland-sounding
There is a video of a women (a Baha'i) who tells of her near near experience in which she, as a 12 year old non-Baha'i, saw 'Abdu'l-Baha and recognized Him years after the experience and became a Baha'i.Whether those kinds of experiences are spiritual or mental, they seem to be relevant to the
Baha'u'llah, in the Lawh-i-Hasan-i-Sháhábadí provisionally translated by Khazeh Fananapazir, states that He is neither a Prophet (nabi) nor a Messenger (rasool).
In fact, Baha'u'llah states Prophet Muhammad sealed and ended both rasalat andnabuwwat, and goes further to state that anyone claiming
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"The essence of belief in Divine unity [tawhid] consisteth in regarding Him Who is the Manifestation of God and Him Who is the invisible, the inaccessible, the unknowable Essence as one and the same." (Gleanings p. 166) And this applies to both
Gilberto: So does that mean that the Muslims are correct and that no moreprophets or messengers are coming?JS: I'd say yes and no.
Yes because Muhammad theSeal ended the coming of Prophets/Messengers with a station equal tothat ofany oftheProphet/Messenger that came before Him, or any
In the Kitab-i-Ahd Baha'u'llah designates Mirza Muhammad-Ali as the Master's successor (Tablets of Baha'u'llah 222). Yet, Baha'u'llah told the Master to look among his sons and grandsons for who would succeed Him. (Priceless Pearl 12) Why would Baha'u'llah write this provision in His Covenant,
No, but I think they are, at least in some instances, *applications* of the Guardian's interpretations to current events. In other words, some interpretations given by Shoghi Effendi may have been "pure" (given just for their own sakes) and others may have been "applied." Is there a scientific
G:Alot of emphasis is put on the fact that the Quran was revealed in stages
Know of a certainty that in every Dispensation the light of Divine Revelation hath been vouchsafed unto men in direct proportion to their spiritual capacity... if the Sun of Truth were suddenly to reveal, at the earliest
Hi All,
I am not worthy of writing this message because of my materialistic andshamefultendencies. But I feel I've been inspired (only God Wills and only God Knows),torevisit the topic of Finality. May whispers of 'the Most Great Name', which only originatefrom on High, shatter the wallsthatI
Among the Prophets was Noah. For nine hundred and fifty years He prayerfully exhorted His people and summoned them to the haven of security and peace. None, however, heeded His call. Each day they inflicted on His blessed person such pain and suffering that no one believed He could survive. How
Hi Iskandar,
I think you are misunderstanding Gilberto and his intentions. I do not think he is saying that Baha'is don't take morality seriously, so there is no need for an apology. Gilberto is stating the Islamic stance on the issue, which is different from the Baha'i view. I am positive he is
is expressing, He as a human being feels pain and expresses his feeling.
JS: I do not believewe can separate these with our limited and imperfectmind or heart.
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Mark:Personally, I doubt that Mormonism would have similar global appeal as in the U.S. It is, in many ways, the ultimate religion of American romanticism. JS:
And I think for this reason it is surprising that Islam and the Baha'i Faith have grown so fast in the US (Islam recently and Baha'i
In like manner, those words that have streamed forth from the source of power and descended from the heaven of glory are innumerable and beyond the ordinary comprehension of man. To them that are possessed of true understanding and insight the Súrah of Húd surely sufficeth. Ponder a while those
To them that are possessed of true understanding and insight the Súrah of Húd surely sufficeth. Ponder a while those holy words in your heart, and, with utter detachment, strive to grasp their meaning. Examine the wondrous behaviour of the Prophets, and recall the defamations and denials uttered
I do not take all of the comments here about the marriage between Muhammad and Aisha asevidencethat Muhammad was evil or had ill intentions.
As our society changes, there is a need to renew the Revelation of God, which is, after all, written forUS inOUR language based onOUR society.As our
Mark:I am saying that "goodness" (or "badness") is simply a name to signify what a particular Prophet, group, or ordinary individual regards as being good (or bad).JS:
So are you saying that nothing above and beyond what the Manifestations reveal exists in man's mind, heart
ending on circumstances jizya was sometimescollected and sometimes not. And again, if you are calling it aninsidious tax why would God EVER tell anyone to impose it?JS: Ahang, I think Gilberto as a good question... Why would someone characterize it that way? I am not pointing the finger at you, since
(a) that people normally leave off the reservation that it is insidious in our time and it was not insidious during the time of Muhammad,
or (b) it is insidious because the true Law of the Qur'an was supposed to be symbolic and never implemented, that jizya is actually a misinterpretation, by
Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:49:19 -0800 (PST), JS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: G: Umm... given that prostitution is actually legal in most of the west (so people are actually quite happy to pay money to have it) how exactly is that whole fining process a det
of superiority.Exactly. You don't see my point? If you begin with a set of first principles, and you then deductively read them into various religious and spiritual systems, isn't that an attitude of superiority?JS: That's fascinating. Didn't realize that.
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Mark: In arguing for equality, all perennialists whose works I have read have imposed a certain "essence" on the different religions or spiritualities.
JS: Mark, I love the clarity of your writing, and the distinction you makebetween perennialism and Baha'i Progressive Revelatio
JS: I didn't say it has anything to do with whether or not we have a country. The House of Justice still has the right to decide when to implement the law of burning the arsonist, it at all. I don't think it ever will be.G: Why would the punishment be in the book if it wasn't ever supposed
MARK:One of the best antidotes for triumphalism is historicism which is opposed by most perennialists whose works I have read.JS:
Mark,are you refering to this meaing of historicism? "Most recently, Historicism has been used by post-modernist thinkers to describe the view that there is no
sider them particularly noble.
JS: Gilberto, I don't think progressive revelation (PR)implies a demonization of the past because it (PR) also states that truth is relative and not absolute. So this characterization (ie. saying that Islamic law is savage)is relative to what is considered savage/civil today. I
ourse Mani, the founder of the Manichean religion, used that title long before Muhammad adopted it.
JS: On the same note, I remember reading somewhere that the notions of Sonship (one parent) and of resurrection (as in from the tomb after the crucifixion) were promoted by people before Jesus. Do yo
ng you are just saying?
JS: Maybe humane was a loaded word that doesn't exactly describe what I mean. A better word would have been 'applicable to our time'. It may indirectly be based on popular opinion, but it is something that becomes apparent in the light of where society and human maturity is.I ca
G: Umm... given that prostitution is actually legal in most of the west(so people are actually quite happy to pay money to have it) howexactly is that whole fining process a deterrent?JS: Doubling is the key word here. If the fine for adultery is $100, it will be $200 the 2nd time, $400 3rd time
JS: LOL, yeah, Abdu'l-Baha clarifies that it doesn't change, and at the same time, it actually DOES change in some ways (contradictory and 'having-the-cake-and-eating-it simultaneously', I realize). To prevent people from getting too attached to a name (i.e. "Jesus", "Qur
Did the Bab wage Jihad against all the non-believers or just against Muslims?"Mark A. Foster" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto,At 09:24 AM 1/21/2005, you wrote:That's really not funny.By the religion which immediately preceded the Baha'i Faith, I think that Susan had in mind the Babi Faith, not
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Did the Bab wage Jihad against all the non-believers or just against Muslims?Well, all of the battles, including the one at Shaykh Tabarsi, were defensive actions against attacks by Muslims. JS:
Now, for clarification, can you tell us, if the Ba
"jizya actually is ordained in the Quran, so if you really think itis necessarily a form of harrassment and tyranny then you should takeit up with the author"
Yes, this work of theAuthor is well beyond the expiry date.
Planned obsolescence (also built-in obsolescence (UK)) is the conscious
Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:17:20 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: In a message dated 1/21/2005 7:16:12 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You don't need to say it. I realized a very long time ago that Bahais think of previous
Him, and turned away from His face - the face of God Himself. Refer ye, to verify this truth, to that which hath been recorded in every sacred Book.
JS By relating the passage above with the information Gilberto provided about Christian openness to revelations and prophets from God, one realizes
Khazeh, where are you?Khazeh Fananapazir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Gilberto
Highly respected correspondent
When I wrote:
Already we see a term introduced in the first pages of the Sacred Iqan
which would be "new" to the hearer [particularly] from the Islamic background.
Baha'u'llah
from http://www.bci.org/islam-bahai/views.html
Even though the Baha'i Faith is an independent religion and is not a sect of Islam, we find in the writings of Shoghi Effendi (the Guardian of the Baha'i Faith 1921-1957), much emphasis on the need for Baha'is to help correct the many mistaken views
Interestingly, the tsunami left many mosques unharmed.
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ay violent hold on Him, and disputed with vain words to invalidate the truth."
JS:
This paragraph fits in well with the Qu'ranic statement that "Islam" is the only religion acceptable to God. Had the people realized that this is the one True religion, The message of Baha'u'llah would hav
I find these two passagesvery similar in content.
If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good). - Qur'an 3:85
The first duty prescribed by God for His servants is the
Gilberto: I tend to think of them as very different. The passage in the Qurandoesn't say anything whatsoever about recognizing a specific person.Islam is defined more by surrendering to God/Allah who never changes.This, in my opinion, is more important than being attached to names.
JS: Yes, good
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:45:40 -0800 (PST), JS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: "[...] This is the changeless Faith of God, eternal in the past, eternal in the future. Let him that seeketh, attain it; and as to him that hath refused to seek it--verily, God is Self-Sufficient, above any
does each person have a distinct soul, or is the same soulreturning each time?JS: In short,humans have distinct soulswhile Manifestations only have one soul. But it is a bit more complicated than this.
Abdu'l-Baha describes that the humanspirit is made of4 different parts while the spirit of the Man
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:43:33 -0800 (PST), JS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Gilberto: Bahais, are typically going to be "attached" to Bahaullah. Mark: There is a difference between being attached to Baha'u'llah, as the Soul Who incarnates the Will, Word, and Cause of God an
Oops, I meant,
My question would be, why wouldIACCEPT the Soul of the manifestation when it appears in 622, but ignore the Same soul when it came back in 1844 ?
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Consider the past. How many, both high and low, have, at all times, yearningly awaited the advent of the Manifestations of God in the sanctified persons of His chosen Ones. How often have they expected His coming, how frequently have they prayed that the breeze of divine mercy might blow, and the
One way I would look at it is that the story is vivid in order to prove a point. Above and beyond the spiritual - allegorical point that is made, the story of Jesus's rising from the dead and walking around is fiction.
Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 03:10:45 -0600,
Consider the past. How many, both high and low, have, at all times, yearningly awaited the advent of the Manifestations of God in the sanctified persons of His chosen Ones.
(Baha'u'llah: The Kitab-i-Iqan, Page: 4)
Does the primary meaning (based on the words used) of the phrase'high and
Your response reminds us all that we have to go back to the writings of Baha'u'llah, Abdu'l-Baha, Shoghi Effendi, and the Universal House of Justice for authority, and what we interpret from them forms our personal understanding, which cannot be imposed on anyone except ourselves...
Khazeh
Khazeh, Awesome stuff!Please keep it coming.Khazeh Fananapazir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The essence of these words is this: they that tread the path of faith, theythat thirst for the wine of certitude, must cleanse themselves of all thatis earthly - their ears from idle talk, their minds from vain
Hi Gilberto,
I think all Khazeh is doing is going through the Kitab-i-Iqan, doing a slow read of it, and relating the things Baha'u'llah says in the first two pages of the Kitab-i-Iqan to other Writings so that someone like me, for example, can see what exactly Baha'u'llah was talking about.
(PST), JS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Maybe Baha'is are hydroponic too, because Baha'u'llah and his companions were exiled all over the middle east, and now Baha'is are scattered around the globe, and consider themselves world citizens first, then citizens of their own countries.It would
that the students graduate bilingual, but that their ethnic/c!
ultural
identity expands.
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:18:42 -0800 (PST), JS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Sorry, Gilberto, Okay, You are right, Baha'is are rooted in soil because Baha'u'llah had Persian p
the utterances of the Manifestations of Holiness" (Íqán 28).Gilberto:Is this something unique to the Kitab-i-Iqan? Or don't all therevelations of God similarly condense the meanings of all the otherrevelations from God?
JS:
My view is that this is *especially* unique to the Writings of Baha'u'llah becau
I think we can spend 12 months just on this one paragraph on pages 3-4. Oceans of wealth and knowledgebehind just a few words. Surely, this is the miraculous Word of God.
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If you love the light, then the lamp doesn't matter (much). Then you should be happy with the light from your lamp, and other people can be fine with the light from theirlamp. But it's all good since it's all the same light.JS:
That is a nice way to see it. No matter what lamp you use, the dark
Lamp it chooses to manifest itself. If, on the other hand, one is attached to the Lamp, then one may reject its Light, the Will of God, when it shines through a different Lamp.
JS
In other words, if one is really in LOVE with the LIGHT and NOTthe LAMP, then one recognizes that the LIGHT was passed on
my comments are embedded within Khazeh's comments, and come after "------ JS:"
*** IN THE NAME OF OUR LORD, THE EXALTED, THE MOST HIGH. No man shall attain the shores of the ocean of true understanding except he be detached from all that is in heaven and on earth. Sanctify your s
JS: Now take a look at Christianity. [...] They were deeply entrenched in their OWN VIEW of what God's Attributes, and were bending over and praying to statues of the Cross, to images of the Resurrection of the Christ, to images of baby Jesus being born as the only Son of God. Then, their minds
laringthem (at least the ones who say he was a prophet) to be non-Muslim.
JS:
Not sure about their beliefs or views.
Gilberto:And did not say that they were. (But I also wouldn't necessarilyexclude it, for example the Unification Church teaches that Rev. Moonwas the Second Coming and his writings are gi
, and how did this process occur?
JS The paradigm was perverted by people'sinterpretations not alligned with Jesus' true intention. But people would not know what interpretations were preversions until the new Messenger clarifies it,just asMuhammad did when He came.
G: I mean the Bahai writings say
G: So in particular, from a Bahai perspective how did the Christianparadigm get perverted? Which are the main concepts which Bahais thinkChristians get wrong, and how did this process occur?
JS The paradigm was perverted by people'sinterpretations not alligned with Jesus' true intention
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