Vaughn,
At 11:42 PM 6/13/2004, you wrote:
But it escapes this mind how one whose station is as great as that of Quddus could
think of himself as a Manifestation. 'Abdu'l-Baha and the Guardian, for example,
were quick to discount being thought of as a Manifestation. Why would someone as
-Original Message-
From: Patti Goebel
If you haven't seen this provisional translation of the Tablet of Visitation
for Quddus revealed by the Bab yet, I'm posting it below. It may give you an
idea of the complexity of this issue. It's from
"To a limited degree, this is reasonable. But it escapes this mind
how one whose station is as great as that of Quddus could think of himself as a
Manifestation. 'Abdu'l-Baha and the Guardian, for example, were quick to
discount being thought of as a Manifestation. Why would someone as
In a message dated 6/12/2004 11:02:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
. It may give you an idea of the complexity of this issue. It's from http://bahai-library.com/?file=bab_ziyarat_quddus.html.
I wonder, the notes say that the Bab revealed a number of Tablets of Visitation
"It also perplexes me that you suggest that "The Baha'i
concept...is...frankly not useful in discussing this topic." How can the
"Baha'i" view not be relevant to any discussion on this list?"
Dear James,
I think what Ahang is saying is that our present
Baha'i conceptions are necessarily
I think what Ahang is saying is that our present Baha'i conceptions are [not] necessarily relevant or useful for understanding Quddus himself. And I think we do have to take Quddus own self-understanding very seriously.
To a limited degree, this is reasonable. But it escapes this mind how one
In a message dated 6/11/2004 6:00:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But it escapes this mind how one whose station is as great as that of Quddus could think of himself as a Manifestation. 'Abdu'l-Baha and the Guardian, for example, were quick to discount being thought of as a
My own understanding, and it isn't worth much, is that Quddus, Tahirih,
etc. were, in a special sense, manifestations of God. However, God, in
this case, referred to the Primal Point, the Bab.
I think that is pretty much how they saw themselves.
warmest, Susan
Dear Ahang,
You commented:
Again, this was in fulfilment of Qur'anic prophecy about the
two liars (the Bab and Quddus) and the
third one (Baha'u'llah).
Could you please provide chapter and verse in the Quran ?
Gratefully,
Sandra
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The reference is to the Sura 36= Heart of the Qur'an
36:13
am sending this from my work during a break
hope you can read it
khazeh.fananapazir
Set forth to them, by way of a parable, the (story of) the Companions of the
City. Behold!, there came apostles to it.
And set out to them an
Quddus represented himself, both in writing and apparently orally, as the return of Christ.
Can you please give examples of this?
Baha'u'llah often linked Quddus with Christ, for instance, stating that in his martyrdom no one suffered more than Quddus, "not even Christ".
Can you please give
Folks,
I'm not about to start a discussion on the station of Quddus and the
concept of Manifestionhood in the Babi Faith (which is drastically
different than the same notion in the Baha'i Faith). These things have
been discussed previously on internet, where I've contributed extensively.
I
I'm not about to start a discussion on the station of Quddus and the
concept of Manifestionhood in the Babi Faith (which is drastically
different than the same notion in the Baha'i Faith).These things have
been discussed previously on internet, where I've contributed extensively.
I suggest
Dear James
maybe if you look at this site you will find some information
it is in the Most Great website of Jonah Winters
http://bahai-library.com/uhj/letters.quddus.dawnbreakers.html
Many thanks! I appreciate your spirit of helpfulness.
James
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I am still trying to understand why Shoghi Effendi specifically says
Quddus was ONE OF THE TWO WITNESSES whose appearance was ANTICIPATED IN THE
REVELATION OF ST. JOHN. Is the Book of Revelation in this chapter informing us that
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From: Larry Marquardt
In Some Answered Questions page 48, Abdul-Baha says the two winesses in
Revelation 11:3 are Muhammad, the Messenger of God, and 'Ali, son of Abu Talib. I am
trying to understand the paragraph in God Passes By page 49 where it seems to say,
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I am still trying to understand why Shoghi Effendi specifically says
Quddus
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