That is true[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My recollection is that alcohol is only gradually prohibited in the Qur'an itself. At first the Qur'an merely says there is good and bad in wine, but the bad exceeds the good. Then it says don't go to prayer drunk, something hard to do if you imbibe at all
Hi Susan, I have played Bingo, poker, etc. in family meetings
(there are azar games)... In the other hand (azar games as
recreation to earn a bit money ;-) Are you saying that we cannot
play lottery anytime?
Dear Hasan,
No, I didn't say that. Lotteries are for charitable purposes. Even
Do you look at the intention of the gambler or the nature of the
casino (or both? and how do they relate?)
I mean, state lotteries are used to fund school systems but if you
really wanted to fund a school system it would probably be more
effective to make a direct donation yourself. People who
I mean, state lotteries are used to fund school systems but if you
really wanted to fund a school system it would probably be more
effective to make a direct donation yourself. People who play lottery
tickets are hoping to win when they do so, not necessarily hoping to
improve their local
On 8/4/06, Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I mean, state lotteries are used to fund school systems but if you
really wanted to fund a school system it would probably be more
effective to make a direct donation yourself. People who play lottery
tickets are hoping to win when they do so,
Title: Re: RE: alcohol in meals
At 10:30 PM -0500 8/2/06, Hasan Elias wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi:
don't get why recent
past Prophets as the Bb or Muhammad did not forbid it.
Huh? Muhammad and the Bab did forbid it.
What about Jesus, Moses or the other
Manifestations?
I
Very well so my friend. The verses I quoted were only in response to alcohol issue with respect to Muhammad etc. Other issues such as gambling, pig meat etc weren't the issue of discussion. Much love, MonderHasan Elias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I infer that gambling as source of baháís
On 8/2/06, Hasan Elias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
don't get why recent
past Prophets as the Báb or Muhammad did not forbid it.
Huh? Muhammad and the Bab did forbid it.
What about Jesus, Moses or the other Manifestations?
I won't comment on Jesus and Moses
To the list in general and Gilberto in particular,I think the question as to why Jesus or Moses were mute on this particular question is tied up with the concept of "progressive revelation". This concept is not really acceptable to Islam in general because Islam believes that the
Dear Scott, I don't think there necessarily is a contradiction between accepting the Qur'an as the perfection of the Tourat and the Injeel and 'progressive revelation', per se. Obviously to the Islamic community, progressive may have ended with the Dispensation of Muhammad, but it is
Monder M Zbaeda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Dear Scott, I don't think there necessarily is a contradiction between accepting the Qur'an as the perfection of the Tourat and the Injeel and 'progressive revelation', per se. Obviously to the Islamic community, progressive may have ended with
What about Jesus, Moses or the other Manifestations?
Jesus and Moses did not. You have to keep in mind that in this time
period water was not save to drink and people didn't know about
boiling it. But wine was often mixed with water which disinfected it.
Also, in those days it was not
I infer that gambling as source of bahá?ís funds is forbidden
(also gambling as an occupation is inadvisable), but I don?t think
it is completely forbidden for recreation purposes. As far as
individuals are concerned, we have carefully studied the Writings
of 'Abdu'l-Bahá and Shoghi
My recollection is that alcohol is only gradually prohibited in the
Qur'an itself. At first the Qur'an merely says there is good and bad
in wine, but the bad exceeds the good. Then it says don't go to prayer
drunk, something hard to do if you imbibe at all and pray five times a
day. Afterwards
On 8/3/06, Scott Saylors [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To the list in general and Gilberto in particular,
I think the question as to why Jesus or Moses were mute on this particular
question is tied up with the concept of progressive revelation.
If you believe in the Bible, they weren't just mute
Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:If you believe in the Bible, they weren't just mute on this particularquestion. Important rituals in the old and new testament involvedrinking wine. If you do a search on "wine" in the Bible you actuallyfind a lot of quotes.Absolutely! But
Hi Susan, I have played Bingo, poker, etc. in family meetings (there are azar games)... In the other hand (azar games as recreation to earn a bit money ;-) Are you saying that we cannot play lottery anytime? If so, how did you come to infer that? If there is an authoritative interpretation, Id
But I'm not about to give up my
extracts, which have 30 to 90 per cent alcohol by
volume, because Shoghi Effendi said not to eat
flaming rum puddings or sip a toast. I think we
need to use some common sense.
My understanding is that rum puddings have quite a lot of alcohol left
in them.
Thanks Sandra and friends to answer. So, the alcohol doesn't vaporize? What about meals where (for example) a meat is cooked (boiled or fried) with alcohol? In my country, there are few typical plaits that uses a little bit of alcohol, and people (including bah's) love to eat, and I think it
I think is a malpractice for bah's to eat a rum pudding (if he knows what is a rum pudding), but I don't see the problem to eat a meal where alcohol is vaporized and gone. I checked some web pages that indicate that alcohol vaporizes when boils or is putted to high degrees. Moreover, if
In a message dated 8/2/06 7:48:05 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My understanding is that rum puddings have quite a lot of alcohol left
in them.
Yeah-- my mother made one once for a British-themed dinner party that I swear
was at least 80 proof (this happened before I became a Baha'i, so I had
(this happened before I became a Baha'i, so
I had no
excuse not to eat it). ;-)
Uh huh. Like you were looking for one. ;-}
Didn't 'Abdu'l-Baha (or maybe Shoghi Effendi) say something once
about not
making an issue of alcohol content in food when we're somebody's
guest, in order
to
I put again the questionHasan Elias [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi: I think is a malpractice for bah's to eat a rum pudding (if he knows what is a rum pudding), but I don't see the problem to eat a meal where alcohol is vaporized and gone. I checked some web pages that indicate that alcohol
[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi:don't get why recent past Prophets as the Bb or Muhammad did not forbid it. Huh? Muhammad and the Bab did forbid it. What about Jesus, Moses or the other Manifestations?
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I infer that gambling as source of baháís funds is forbidden (also gambling as an occupation is inadvisable), but I dont think it is completely forbidden for recreation purposes. "As far as individuals are concerned, we have carefully studied the Writings of 'Abdu'l-Bahá and Shoghi Effendi on
In a message dated 8/1/2006 4:01:38 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi
friends,
Not
related to quotes on alcohol, just for curiosity: Is there any rational
explanation of why bahs cannot eat meals cooked with alcoholic drinks? When
the alcohol
I always felt that it meant, finally, that alcohol would be resigned
forever to the medicine cabinet and never be kept again as a food item.
And, in reach of temptation. :-) However, this is a purely personal
understanding.
Yours,
Jeanine
Hasan Elias wrote:
Hi friends,
Title: Re: alcohol in meals
At 9:27 PM -0400 8/1/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/1/2006 4:01:38 PM US Mountain
Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi
friends,
Not related
to quotes on alcohol, just for curiosity: Is there any rational
explanation of why bah's
Hi Don,So, Do you think is permissible for bah's to eat a meal cooked with alcoholic drink? A meal where alcohol is vaporized? I don't see any argument against this, if alcohol is gone, so why we can't eat that meal?Don Calkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi: ...The argument has been made
Title: Re: alcohol in meals
At 11:19 PM -0500 8/1/06, Hasan Elias wrote:
Hi
Don,
So, Do you think is
permissible for bah's to eat a meal cooked with alcoholic drink?
A meal where alcohol is vaporized? I don't see any argument against
this, if alcohol is gone, so why we can't eat that meal
Is there any
rational explanation of why bahá'ís cannot eat meals cooked with alcoholic
drinks? When the alcohol boils, only the savor survives and the alcohol
vaporizes.
There was a study conducted in the early 1990's at one of the universities
in the state of Washington that disproved this.
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