Nicholas Wirth in his paper on Modula-2 about fixing the flaws in Pascal.
In planning Modula-2, I saw it as a new version of Pascal, updated to
the requirements of the time, and I seized the opportunity to correct
various mistakes in Pascal’s design, such as, for example, the syntactic
> On May 9, 2024, at 5:45 AM, Will Cooke via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>
>
>> On 05/09/2024 7:24 AM CDT Bill Degnan via cctalk
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Mike
>> I was thinking operating systems and the early launch version IBM PC, but
>> yes once the hardware caught up Turbo Pascal was a popular
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> At NCC - Anaheim, I bought John Draper lunch (I never exercised with him)
So what you're saying is, you increased his energy level.
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On 5/9/24 18:16, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
>
> Thanks Chuck. Makes sense. I am sorting cables (fun) and I was unsure
> about this one.
Go on to Amazon and search for "cable RJ45 DB25"
The things are apparently still in use.
--Chuck
On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 9:09 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
> On 5/9/24 17:50, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
> > I have a cable with two heads on one end and a rj45 phone connector on
> the
> > other end. On the two-headed side is a 25-pin ( serial female RS232 ?)
> and
> > 9-pin (serial
On 5/9/24 17:50, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
> I have a cable with two heads on one end and a rj45 phone connector on the
> other end. On the two-headed side is a 25-pin ( serial female RS232 ?) and
> 9-pin (serial female RS232 ?)
>
> The 25 pin adapter has a GEM95 sticker on it.
>
> What was
On 5/9/24 16:30, Michael Thompson wrote:
> I have a source code tape for Pascal on a CDC 6600 from CDC in France.
> I am not sure which version it is.
Broadly speaking, there were only three major CDC versions; the 1972
original, the 1975 rewrite, and the (I think) 1980s version. There were
I have a cable with two heads on one end and a rj45 phone connector on the
other end. On the two-headed side is a 25-pin ( serial female RS232 ?) and
9-pin (serial female RS232 ?)
The 25 pin adapter has a GEM95 sticker on it.
What was this cable used for?
BIll
On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 5:10 PM Paul Koning via cctalk
wrote:
> > On May 9, 2024, at 7:55 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk
> wrote:
> >
> > One of the things that _I_ love about C is that it is easy to get it out
> of the way when you want to do something lower level.
> >
> > Rather than feeble type
On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 2:08 PM John via cctalk
wrote:
> Pascal was the language of choice over at Apple in the original MacOS
> days, and as Mike has noted Turbo Pascal was popular enough on the PC;
> it was more, I think, that the UCSD-style language-environment-as-OS
> paradigm never caught on
On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 6:31 PM Paul Koning via cctalk
wrote:
> > On May 9, 2024, at 6:43 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
> > wrote:
> > ...
> > I've written code in Pascal, as well as Modula-2. Never liked
> > it--seemed to be a bit awkward for the low-level stuff that I was doing.
>
> Not
Not as such. The RH11 was not replicated on Q Bus because Q-Bus was made
for small disks for a long time and I think DEC didn't want to undercut
the sale of Unibus.
That said, I have run into 11/23 systems that used RM02's with a Plessy
Quniverter. Works fine enough, but only 18 bit memory
On Thu, May 9, 2024, 6:10 PM Paul Koning via cctalk
wrote:
>
>
> > On May 9, 2024, at 7:55 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk
> wrote:
> >
> >>> ...
> >>> I've written code in Pascal, as well as Modula-2. Never liked
> >>> it--seemed to be a bit awkward for the low-level stuff that I was
> doing.
> >
>
> On May 9, 2024, at 7:55 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>>> ...
>>> I've written code in Pascal, as well as Modula-2. Never liked
>>> it--seemed to be a bit awkward for the low-level stuff that I was doing.
>
> On Thu, 9 May 2024, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
>> Not surprising,
...
I've written code in Pascal, as well as Modula-2. Never liked
it--seemed to be a bit awkward for the low-level stuff that I was doing.
On Thu, 9 May 2024, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
Not surprising, since that's not what it is all about. Both, like their
predecessor ALGOL-60 as well as
> On May 9, 2024, at 7:05 PM, Will Cooke via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>
>
>> On 05/09/2024 5:46 PM CDT ben via cctalk wrote:
>>
>
>> Did any one make a REAL TIME OS the 386?
>
> There were / are quite a few.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_real-time_operating_systems
>
> The
I have a source code tape for Pascal on a CDC 6600 from CDC in France.
I am not sure which version it is.
On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 6:43 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
> On 5/9/24 15:10, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> >>> Turbo-Pascal was quite popular. At the annnouncement of it (West
> >>>
> On May 9, 2024, at 6:43 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> ...
> I've written code in Pascal, as well as Modula-2. Never liked
> it--seemed to be a bit awkward for the low-level stuff that I was doing.
Not surprising, since that's not what it is all about. Both, like their
Was there ever a massbus controller card for qbus systems?
73 Eugene W2HX
My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos
> On 05/09/2024 5:46 PM CDT ben via cctalk wrote:
>
> Did any one make a REAL TIME OS the 386?
There were / are quite a few.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_real-time_operating_systems
The 386ex was specifically intended for embedded systems.
The first one that came to mind,
On 2024-05-09 1:23 p.m., John via cctalk wrote:
Pascal never really made it on the microcomputer platform did it?
I can be convinced otherwise but it seems like microcomputing Pascal
was more of a staging environment for then upload into a production
mainframe/mini
Pascal was the language
On 5/9/24 15:10, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
>>> Turbo-Pascal was quite popular. At the annnouncement of it (West
>>> Coast Computer Faire), Phillipe Kahn (Borland) was so inundated with
>>> "yeah, but what about C?" questions, that by the end of the first
>>> day, "Turbo C is coming soon"
>
>
Turbo-Pascal was quite popular. At the annnouncement of it (West Coast
Computer Faire), Phillipe Kahn (Borland) was so inundated with "yeah,
but what about C?" questions, that by the end of the first day, "Turbo
C is coming soon"
On Thu, 9 May 2024, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
I
Anyone used Oh Pascal book while working on Turbo Pascal? I coded a memory
viewer that was similar to Norton Utilities and PC Tools at the time for CP/M
on Epson QX10 using Pascal. It was somewhere between 83 and 85
Regards,
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> On May 9, 2024, at
On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 1:48 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> At NCC - Anaheim, I bought John Draper lunch (I never exercised with him)
Those in the know chuckled.
Sellam
On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 1:38 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> Turbo-Pascal was quite popular. At the annnouncement of it (West Coast
> Computer Faire), Phillipe Kahn (Borland) was so inundated with "yeah, but
> what
> about C?" questions, that by the end of the first day, "Turbo C is coming
>
Best to have an atmosphere of dry nitrogen, too.
Breathing that may take some practice.
On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 11:19 AM Antonio Carlini via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On 09/05/2024 03:41, D. Resor via cctalk wrote:
> > Next they'll want silver oxygen free plated plumbing and sewage
OK
This seems to be the one that the list choked on
(possibly due to special quote characters?
On Thu, May 9, 2024, 2:07 AM david barto via cctalk
wrote:
At Ken Bowles retirement from UCSD (Ken was the lead of the UCSD Pascal
Project) he related a story that IBM came to UCSD after being
UCSD P-system could only allocate contiguous disk space. So a disk that had
become "checkerboarded" by writing and deletng files had to be defragmented,
using a spplied utility called "Crunch".
Was that adequately protected against catastrophes caused by interruption?
Softech and UCSD
At NCC - Anaheim, I bought John Draper lunch (I never exercised with him) for a
quick consultation about P-system directory structure. I added some P-system
formats into XenoCopy a week later.
Turbo-Pascal was quite popular. At the annnouncement of it (West Coast
Computer Faire), Phillipe Kahn (Borland) was so inundated with "yeah, but what
about C?" questions, that by the end of the first day, "Turbo C is coming soon"
The SAGE II that had native Pascal (68000) was
not a popular machine. Waterloo Pascal on the SuperPetPascal never
really made it on the microcomputer platform did it?
Bob Wallace (Microsoft's tenth employee) wrote the Micorsoft MS-DOS Pascal
compiler. He told me not to use the runtime
Did not make it to the list, so I am breaking it up and re-sending it in
pieces
Without doing the research before asking, there was the UCSD p-System
Pascal for IBM PC which came out very early in the history of the IBM PC.
It was not very popular.
In the original 5150 launch (August 1981),
Do you know who your demographic or age is that you're trying to attract to
watch the videos?
On Fri, May 3, 2024, 10:45 PM Jeffrey Brace via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> The Vintage Computer Federation is looking for a new bumper to add to the
> front and back of all their new
> Pascal never really made it on the microcomputer platform did it?
> I can be convinced otherwise but it seems like microcomputing Pascal
> was more of a staging environment for then upload into a production
> mainframe/mini
Pascal was the language of choice over at Apple in the original MacOS
On Thu, 9 May 2024, Mike Stein via cctalk wrote:
How much extra to turn my deadly lead pipes into gold while you're here?
Alchemist servicess are kinda expensive.
Could you get away with just gold plating them?
How much extra to turn my deadly lead pipes into gold while you're here?
On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 12:43 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 8:53 AM Mike Katz via cctalk >
> wrote:
>
> > This is an article on it but I still think it's total bunk:
>
German snake oil wizards to the rescue! The "Atomstromfilter" (nuclear
power filter) joke product has been making the rounds in Germany for
at _least_ 20+y now: https://traumshop.net/produkt/atomstromfilter/
It claims to filter power generated by nuclear power plants out of
your power flow at the
> On May 9, 2024, at 9:28 AM, Alexander Schreiber via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On Wed, May 08, 2024 at 07:09:58PM -0700, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
>>> More here:
https://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0114/audiophile_ac_outlets.htm
If I knew that this stuff wasn't real, I'd
On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 8:53 AM Mike Katz via cctalk
wrote:
> This is an article on it but I still think it's total bunk:
>
> https://www.gcaudio.com/tips-tricks/cd-dvd-demagnetization/
"There is now research to suggest that demagnetization of computer discs
(including CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, DVD,
This is an article on it but I still think it's total bunk:
https://www.gcaudio.com/tips-tricks/cd-dvd-demagnetization/
On 5/9/2024 9:04 AM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote:
On 09/05/2024 14:28, Alexander Schreiber via cctalk wrote:
German snake oil wizards to the rescue! The
On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 1:08 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk
wrote:
>
> I meant UCSD not native Pascal. I assume the SAGE was popular with those
> who bought them, but relative to the PC, quite obscure of a computer. Most
> people today have little knowledge of the SAGE II / IV. How many even
> exist
On 09/05/2024 14:28, Alexander Schreiber via cctalk wrote:
German snake oil wizards to the rescue! The "Atomstromfilter" (nuclear
power filter) joke product has been making the rounds in Germany for
at _least_ 20+y now:https://traumshop.net/produkt/atomstromfilter/
It claims to filter power
On Thu, May 9, 2024, 5:39 AM Bill Degnan via cctalk
wrote:
> Without doing the research before asking, there was the UCSD p-System
> Pascal for IBM PC which came out very early in the history of the IBM PC.
> It was not very popular. The SAGE II that had native Pascal (68000) was
> not a
On Wed, May 08, 2024 at 07:09:58PM -0700, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> > More here:
> > > https://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0114/audiophile_ac_outlets.htm
> > > If I knew that this stuff wasn't real, I'd figure that it was an April
> > > Fool's prank.
>
> On Wed, 8 May 2024,
On Wed, May 08, 2024 at 08:13:20AM +0200, Johan Helsingius via cctalk wrote:
> On 08/05/2024 05:53, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote:
> > [1] Apparently there's a slogan on the wall of the QUAD workshop
> > 'Ohm's Law rules here. Oxygen-free cable is not required'
>
> That would have been back when
On Tue, May 07, 2024 at 12:15:47PM -0500, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote:
> my ears would never be good enough to notice any difference
>
> For what it's worth:
>
> First, in general, there are so many apparent reviews of so many products, it
> is hard to believe they are all scams. How can
On Thu, 9 May 2024, Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote:
On Thu, 9 May 2024, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
Without doing the research before asking, there was the UCSD p-System
Pascal for IBM PC which came out very early in the history of the IBM PC.
It was not very popular. The SAGE II that had
On Mon, May 06, 2024 at 08:54:53PM -0700, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
> On 5/6/24 20:25, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/134706639303
> >
> > include a basic feature for rewinding rental DVDs before returning them.
> >
> Of course, you need a pure silver AC cable for
Antonio, Thanks for the chuckle!
What will happen when the audio-phools when a visit to the Ear Nose and Throat
specialist requires their ear canals be cleaned.
What if the sound they so preciously loved is no longer like fine wine but
instead Ripple, Muscatel, Pre-Foosay, Old Crow or
> On 05/09/2024 7:24 AM CDT Bill Degnan via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>
> Mike
> I was thinking operating systems and the early launch version IBM PC, but
> yes once the hardware caught up Turbo Pascal was a popular program now that
> I think about it. So I guess the PC versions just needed more
Mike
I was thinking operating systems and the early launch version IBM PC, but
yes once the hardware caught up Turbo Pascal was a popular program now that
I think about it. So I guess the PC versions just needed more horsepower
and some useful libraries. But Pascal never matched C
Bill
On Thu,
On Thu, 9 May 2024, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
Without doing the research before asking, there was the UCSD p-System
Pascal for IBM PC which came out very early in the history of the IBM PC.
It was not very popular. The SAGE II that had native Pascal (68000) was
not a popular machine.
I meant UCSD not native Pascal. I assume the SAGE was popular with those
who bought them, but relative to the PC, quite obscure of a computer. Most
people today have little knowledge of the SAGE II / IV. How many even
exist today? A hundred? I think the issue with Pascal at that time is
that
The Sage machines had UCSD as one of their OS options (others were Mirage and
probably also CP/M-68K). I've never heard of a native Pascal for Sage.
Sage had a multi-user BIOS, so you could have several people sharing a single
machine. They were also quite popular and successful for a while.
>
What's with this cost-cutting second rate silver? Gold is the best conductor
for now, all the way back to special generation plants where the generators
have gold wires too.
And start saving up, there is a possibility of room temperature superconductors
in the futue.
--Carey
Without doing the research before asking, there was the UCSD p-System
Pascal for IBM PC which came out very early in the history of the IBM PC.
It was not very popular. The SAGE II that had native Pascal (68000) was
not a popular machine. Waterloo Pascal on the SuperPetPascal never
really
On 09/05/2024 03:41, D. Resor via cctalk wrote:
Next they'll want silver oxygen free plated plumbing and sewage pipes in their
homes. Silver plated toilet seats?
Walls insulated with Palladium coated corn silk threads?
Seems the subject has really gone astray? Lions, Tigers and Bears oh
At Ken Bowles retirement from UCSD (Ken was the lead of the UCSD Pascal
Project) he related a story that IBM came to UCSD after being ‘rejected’ by DR
to see if the Regents of the University would license UCSD Pascal (the OS and
the language) to IBM for release on the new hardware IBM was
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