--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, KH6TY kh...@... wrote:
I think there are valid reasons for the FCC only allowing spread
spectrum above 222 Mhz (where there is plenty of room!). A single spread
spectrum signal on HF may go unnoticed by most stations, but what
happens if 100 (in range)
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, k...@... wrote:
Quite frankly, RTTY could easily be replaced with PSK63 as the prime digital
contest mode. However, many PSK operators are so clueless and often
downright rude when it comes to contests that its an extremely uphill battle.
We could
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, KH6TY kh...@... wrote:
Just use common sense..
Garrett / AA0OI
Common sense says follow the regulations, because they were made for
the benefit of everyone, and not just for what a few who would like to
do what they wish without regard for
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andy obrien k3uka...@... wrote:
actually, this could be a good development because I still have a
funny feeling that they would balk at the idea of calling it illegal.
I don't use the mode because I am chicken, but there are still many in
the USA that
The inventor is an idiot . not cause he invented the mode nor cause he said
it is spread spectrum
Bur because he still hold on the software that does send the false
autogenerated spots
Julian,
This regulation was made years ago and just covers all spread
spectrum. In the FCC's opinion, ROS is spread spectrum, both by
description by the author and lab analysis. So, they had no choice but
to uphold the current ruling.
If someone wants to redefine spread spectrum on HF as
Who is to decide what is harmful to the general population or not - the
individual looking out for himself, or the public looking out for
everyone (in the form of a republic) including that individual?
73, Skip KH6TY
On 7/20/2010 4:34 AM, g4ilo wrote:
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sounds like a LID response. Channel 19 is 27.185 Mhz, I am sure the will
welcome you back.
Kurt
K8YZK
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, AA0OI aa...@... wrote:
Spoken like a good Nazi
Garrett / AA0OI
From: Thomas F. Giella NZ4O n...@...
To:
Julian,
For example, five years ago, Winlink attempted to get the FCC to allow
then to use Pactor-III ALL OVER the phone bands, with the argument that
the bandwidth was no greater than a phone signal.
Do you think that should have been allowed for the benefit of that 1% of
the US ham
BINGO!!! I invoke Godwin's Law!!!
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
Dave
NK7Z
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:56:58 -0700 (PDT)
AA0OI aa...@yahoo.com thus spake:
Spoken like a good Nazi
Garrett / AA0OI
From: Thomas F. Giella NZ4O
SO ! that whats in my swimming pool.. I'll have to add more chlorine..
Garrett / AA0OI
From: Dave AA6YQ aa...@ambersoft.com
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:58:44 PM
Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !
Just because the Government has written it down on paper, does not make it
right..
And not to start another argument, but incase you haven't noticed we've lost
control of our Government and that includes the FCC
Garrett / AA0OI
From: James Hall
And not to start another argument, but incase you haven't noticed we've lost
control of our Government and that includes the FCC
Snip..
Is there ANY country in the world where the people have control over their
government???
Where can I get a flight ticket to there??
Just kidding
Garrett /AA0OI said Spoken like a good Nazi
NZ4O says it's all about obeying the law. The Nazi's did not obey the law
and it was their downfall.
Garrett /AA0OI said What happened to the real Americans ???
NZ4O says real American's used to obey the law. As a society we are no
longer doing
Subject says operating ros in usa ..
And the discussion was long enough
So godwin is right hi hi
Can we now come back to the topic??
I found it very bad that you come from digital radio to historical politics
but maybe godwin IS RIGHT with his law
Greetz
Sigi
No eveyone is Leonardo DaVinchi, or me !
Garrett / AA0OI
From: Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@freenet.de
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 5:45:34 AM
Subject: AW: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !
The inventor
Garrett /AA0OI said What happened to the real Americans ???
NZ4O says real American's used to obey the law. As a society we are no
longer doing that and it's one of the reasons that America is in total
societal collapse.
Snip...
Real americans??? Had red skin and were killed by white men
That right they would..
I hold a Exta Class ham license
I hold Commercial Pilots License, single engine land , multi engine land ,
Insturment rated, CFI, CFII, Multi Engine Instructor. with over 20,000 hrs
I hold a Captians Liscense for over 600,000 tons
I Owned my own company teaching
Dave:
Very good,, I could have done worse and call him O'Bama !
Garrett / AA0OI
From: Dave Cole d...@nk7z.net
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 7:43:51 AM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Operating ROS In USA
BINGO!!! I invoke Godwin's
HiSigi:
The thing is it would take some Washington Idiot a total of 5 min to sit down
an
say,, Yes you can use it, or No you can not But nothing in Washington takes
5 min..
Garrett / AA0OI
From: Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@freenet.de
To:
I wasn't alway this way,, and someday we'll have to take it back !!
Garrett / AA0OI
From: Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@freenet.de
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 8:43:53 AM
Subject: AW: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger
Andy asked me not to call you a Nazi,, that it was personal,, so I retract it,,,
You O'bama You.
Thomas Jefferson said, that at some time our government would become so out of
hand that we the people would have to take back control of it..
(The second amendment ain't about hunting)
Sit back and
Good morning all...
This has been interesting me since I read about it in QST last year. I, too,
have been looking to do some experimenting with this mode. Last year, I
briefly tested this by heading to my Churchabout 3.5 miles away. I brought
along my TINY Sony Vaio and my IC-2AT...and
Can we PLEASE dispense with the dick waving contests, and the political
rhetoric. Believe it or not, the rest of the world cares little for your
politics.
Can we please get back to ham radio?
VE3BDR
From: AA0OI
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 10:12 AM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
That sounds like fun, and useful too.
ve3bdr in kanuckistan
From: kb2hsh
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 10:16 AM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: DominoEX On VHF FM
Good morning all...
This has been interesting me since I read about it in QST last year. I,
Actually, the Nazi's did obey the law. (That is not a defense of their
actions.) They just changed the law to make whatever they wanted to do
legal, or did it outside of Germany where the law did not apply.
- 73 -
Rud Merriam K5RUD
http://mysticlakesoftware.com/
-Original
How will RMS Express running WINMOR in either SSB mode or FM mode fit in
between this comparisons? Can even be adjusted to run through repeaters.
Can run Peer to Peer or to a WInlink RMS WINMOR.
I am looking forward to learning about pros an cons.
73 de la7um Finn
--- In
They would say . you know the rules and you have to follow the rules
The thing is . who has to make the technical decision if ros is spread
spectrum so forbidden in us (answer: the user)
Next thing is . is ros really ss??? What I know about ss is sender and
receiver are spreading the data very
The FCC has actually analyzed the mode (to my surprise!) and says it is
SS, and we are obliged to accept their determination. To use it, someone
just must file a petition to change the regulations.
73, Skip KH6TY
On 7/20/2010 11:03 AM, Siegfried Jackstien wrote:
They would say ... you know
Does anyone use the FT 690 for 50Mhz digital? Especially with the Signalink.
If so I'd like to know the equipment number of the connecting serial cable
which attaches both these units.
Jon G4FUT
Part Numbers Options:
SignaLink USB Part Numbers (please specify when ordering):
a.. SLUSB4R - For 4-Pin Round Mic Connector
b.. SLUSB8R - For 8-Pin Round Mic Connector
c.. SLUSBRJ1 - For RJ-11 Mic Connector
d.. SLUSBRJ4 - For RJ-45 Mic Connector
e.. SLUSB5PD - For 5-pin DIN Data /
--- On Tue, 20/7/10, KH6TY kh...@comcast.net wrote:
The FCC has actually analyzed the mode (to my surprise!)
Hi Skip,
I know we've been round this loop before but I'd still like to see the report
the FCC are alleged to have produced. If it does exist I'd have though a US
citizen would be
Thanks Rudy,
Yes, I am very happy with Signalink, I use one with my ICOM 718 for data so
wish to move onto 6 metres now
Regards
Jon
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Rudy Benner ben...@... wrote:
Part Numbers Options:
SignaLink USB Part Numbers (please specify when ordering):
a..
Rudy,
I pressed the SEND button too soonfrom the list you kindly posted
will this cable SLCAB8R ...be the correct one for the connection
from the Signalink to the Yaesus 8 pin mike socket?
Regards
again
Jon
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, jon_g4fut jon_g4...@... wrote:
Thanks Rudy,
Hi Trevor,
I have already previously stated that a FCC engineer with the FCC group
analyzing ROS told me what was done, and what was concluded, and I wa
asked not to divulge his name. Whether or not there was a report issued,
I do not know.
I don't know of any US amateurs raising any
At 12:19 PM 7/20/2010, you wrote:
Do you know if any US amateurs are raising a Petition for Rulemaking to move
to regulation by bandwidth instead of mode ?
Trevor,
We in the USA have been down this path before.
And every time the FCC has said the same thing.
I really don't know just where you
You'd better care about our politics,, if we go under, so does the rest of the
world !
Garrett / AA0OI
From: Rudy Benner ben...@vianet.ca
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 9:24:46 AM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Operating ROS In
Hi Sigi:
It once was a nice place,, but is falling apart quickly !
Garrett / AA0OI
From: Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@freenet.de
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 10:03:06 AM
Subject: AW: AW: [digitalradio] Operating ROS In
Well with everything you hold and a $1 you can buy a cup of coffee at Mac's.
I hold a Extra Class and been licensed since 1966 when you did not have to
memorize the test, and had to know Morse Code.
I am retired army, I have shot everything from 45 cal up to a 109MM. I am
qualified with
Well the pen is mightier than the sword ..as demonstrated by the clurk who
drafted the barn door catch 220 clause .. which of the wide modes is
going to be banned next , olivia may be?, that seems to work nicely and
originated out side the union ?
G .
--- In
And every time the FCC has said the same thing.
Q .. Did it get passed the 'Cross-road' ? some one needs to take the
By-pass :)
Bandwidth enhanced , who drafted the clause , Tim Leary ?
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John Becker, WØJAB w0...@... wrote:
At 12:19 PM 7/20/2010,
This is interesting, but I am curious, are you bragging or complaining?
Bob, W5XR
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of AA0OI
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 7:58 AM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Operating ROS In
right, I still can't copy over 63 wpm code and that I learned in 1971..
Garrett / AA0OI
From: k8yzk k8...@yahoo.com
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 1:47:02 PM
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Operating ROS In USA
Well with everything
WOMEN ?!
Garrett / AA0OI
From: Ted Bear w7...@juno.com
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 2:21:45 PM
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !
Holy Moly.. When you guys going to drop the ROS subject and get back to
Well, I think that is correct, but I seem to be getting my butt kicked all day,
so I decided to send you enough data to figure it out and come out smelling
rosy for a change. I think I get the Bonehead Award today. Don't forget that
you will need a cable for the receive, that part is easy.
If
Whatever.
From: AA0OI
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 2:26 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Operating ROS In USA
You'd better care about our politics,, if we go under, so does the rest of the
world !
Garrett / AA0OI
Tony,
Our on-air tests show that ROS 16 baud, 2200 Hz wide spread spectrum was
very poor on UHF under Doppler spreading. Can you confirm this with
flutter tests like Jaak has done on
http://contestia.blogspot.com/p/pathsim_09.html ?
73, Skip KH6TY
On 7/19/2010 9:42 PM, Tony wrote:
All,
Rudi,
No kicking from me...instead I'll defend you for the excellent information you
sent... :-)
Cheers
Jon
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Rudy Benner ben...@... wrote:
Well, I think that is correct, but I seem to be getting my butt kicked all
day, so I decided to send you enough
After thinking about a for a while -
I'm going to part with all my RTTY equipment.
It's all going.
John, W0JAB
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Mark T. Regan,
The ARRL withdrew its regulation by bandwidth instead of mode proposal
before the FCC responded. This proposal generated a lot of commentary from
the US amateur community, all of which remains available online. If you
review these, you will find that most comments opposing the proposal cited
the
Me again. In addition to a prohibition on personal attacks , this
group should be free of politics . This does not preclude
disagreement with Ofcomm, IARU, CRTC, FCC, or other national bodies
when it relates to amateur radio. It does mean that we should avoid
declarative statements about one
Andy,
I am sick and tired of reading the political comments and name calling
about ROS. The discussion has devolved from a discussion (too long,
IMHO) about the technical aspects of ROS to personal attacks and
political discussions about which laws we in the USA should obey,
neither of which have
I sure am glad I grew up! MAN! Get a life!
From: Ted Bear w7...@juno.com
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 3:21:45 PM
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !
Holy Moly.. When you guys going to drop the ROS subject and
The IMD shouldnt be a significant problem unless something is overdriven.
However, you see that with PSK31 and to a lesser extent RTTY fairly often on
the bands, although most of what i see is 60 cycle hum and audio harmonics
related to that, rather than just pure overdrive. AFSK, etc., is
Andy, it seems to be time for a poll.
1. I wish to continue reading discussions of ROS
2. Enough already, lets talk about something else!
Care to guess what the vote would be?
Bill
On 7/20/2010 4:51 PM, Andy obrien wrote:
Me again. In addition to a prohibition on personal attacks , this
- Original Message
From: g4ilo jul...@g4ilo.com
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 4:29:15 AM
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Olivia vs. RTTY vs. PSK spectrum efficiency
Just because a mode is better doesn't mean that people will want to use it,
though, and I
Thank you.
From: jon_g4fut
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 4:22 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Yaesu FT-690
Rudi,
No kicking from me...instead I'll defend you for the excellent information you
sent... :-)
Cheers
Jon
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com,
PSK63 was developed as an intended RTTY contesting mode replacement, not
for conversation. PSK31 is too slow for contesting and has a preamble
and a postamble that slows turnovers down, so the idea was that 100 wpm
PSK63 would, overall, including faster turnovers than PSK31, be as fast
as RTTY
I am developing a 'modem' to directly modulate computer generated modes to RF
thus eliminating the requirement of using a transceiver audio input
Welcome to the group, tell us more.
Andy K3UK
I completely understand the lure of the old mechanical teleprinters. But I
have to say I was surprised at my reaction to the addition of RTTY to the
firmware in my NUE-PSK modem.
I typically use the NUE-PSK battery powered plugged into my 817 while doing QRP
in the field. I don't need to
Will be interesting to compare this effort to the NUE-PSK, which takes a
different appoach. They have a modem that plugs directly into a transceiver's
Data port eliminating the need for PCs and soundcards, but they are now working
on a NUE-SDR transceiver that either will fit as a card inside
I am planning another HF installation soon and may have a 33ft mast begging for
some extra creative thing to hang off it . I do not do 70cm -2M-6M much and
think I should , just to be able to get out when there are bands openings.
Nothing with DX in mind, just something omni-directional would
With hopes of 10M slowly improving, I have activated a full time 10M
station. Full time, meaning the 25 Watt rig is permanently on 28120
USB. This is dedicated to digital modes and CW, trip the squelch and
if I am in the shack...I will try to work you. 28120 was chosen due
to the likelihood of
NUE PSK is great for back packing and mobile operation so long as only PSK 31
or
RTTY is of interest. Computers offer a richer display with more options and
the
ability to generate many different modes. The idea is to go directly from the
computer via IP to a back box that is broadband and
From: J. Moen j...@jwmoen.com
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 8:33:06 PM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Olivia vs. RTTY vs. PSK spectrum efficiency
I completely understand the lure of the old mechanical teleprinters. But I
Remote control. Very useful in some situations. Especially if you aren't
allowed to have decent antennas where you live.
The kick I get from battery-operated QRP operation is communicating without
infrastructure. I am out there with a battery, a radio, a NUE-PSK modem and a
portable antenna.
It'd be pretty cool if that nue-psk device was a little more like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80_Model_100 With the built in keyboard. Is
it very cumbersome to have that, a keyboard and your radio going all at
once?
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 10:20 PM, J. Moen j...@jwmoen.com wrote:
HEY !! I had one of those. In fact, I had a Trash 80 Model 1 with 4 k of RAM
and Level I rom. That cassette interface was a POS. I also had most of the
other TRS models at one time or other.
From: James Hall
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 11:04 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:
On 7/20/2010 3:54 PM, KH6TY wrote:
Our on-air tests show that ROS 16 baud, 2200 Hz wide spread spectrum
was very poor on UHF under Doppler spreading. Can you confirm this with
flutter tests like Jaak has done.
Skip,
My path tests show that ROS is less tolerant to Doppler spread than
Olivia
Well, I set up a portable chair that has a small shelf on the side where I
place my 817. Battery on the ground. The NUE-PSK and very small keyboard sit
on my lap. Works very comfortably. With PSK, I don't need to tune the radio
very often, typically.
I also liked the Commodore back in
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