Re: [digitalradio] RM-11392

2007-12-28 Thread Steve Hajducek
Rick, RM-11392 is a most excellent example of a bad petition in my opinion. As Andrew stated, The proposal has no chance of being adopted. Also, I don't see any relevance to your CW vs. SSB comments and RM-11392. I don't know where the heck you operate CW, even with my oldest hybrid

Re: [digitalradio] RM-11392

2007-12-28 Thread Rick
Steve, We will just have to agree to disagree on some important issues. As you have seen there is a wide chasm of views between different interest groups and there likely always will be. Especially when a minority gets as much control as what happened with automatic operation over the

Re: [digitalradio] RM-11392

2007-12-28 Thread Howard Brown
with it formally and they probably will. 73, Howard K5HB - Original Message From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 9:52:53 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] RM-11392 Steve, We will just have to agree

Re: [digitalradio] RM-11392

2007-12-28 Thread Rodney
- Original Message From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 9:52:53 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] RM-11392 Steve, We will just have to agree to disagree on some important issues. As you have seen

Re: [digitalradio] RM-11392

2007-12-28 Thread Rick
Hi Howard, You may be right. I hope you are. But when you look at the sheer number of opposed to favoring it has to be at least 80% opposed, if not even 90%. That is overwhelming. It is true that almost all of the hams who claim they oppose the petition have not really read and understood the

Re: [digitalradio] RM-11392

2007-12-28 Thread Rick Johnson
Hmmm. The silent majority methinks maybe. - Original Message From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 1:31:19 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] RM-11392 Hi Howard, You may be right. I hope you are. But when you look at the sheer

Re: [digitalradio] RM-11392

2007-12-27 Thread Phil Barnett
On Thursday 27 December 2007 02:40:01 am Steve Hajducek wrote: I would also like to see the availability of stations involved in the support of Emergency Communications, during such an event allowed to work multi-mode Voice/Digital in the Voice segments and not have to move off frequency.

Re: [digitalradio] RM-11392

2007-12-27 Thread Rick
Hi Again, Steve, I think that you are also supporting protectionism as I am, only you don't think of it that way. It protects the users of incompatible modes from reducing the use of the spectrum. There may be no technical way for them to coexist unless you literally drive them off. Some may

[digitalradio] RM-11392

2007-12-26 Thread Howard Brown
To hams who are not in the USA: Your comments are important. I just left my comment, and did not see any qualifier that required that you be in the USA. They may place more importance on your opinions since we are currently being a 'bad neighbor' to you. I browsed through the 73 comments that

Re: [digitalradio] RM-11392

2007-12-26 Thread Joe Veldhuis
I just filed a comment supporting it, confirmation #20071226739154. If we want it to pass, we need to make a little more noise where it counts... http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi Specify RM-11392 in the first box. Won't take but a minute, and WILL make a difference! -Joe, N8FQ

Re: [digitalradio] RM-11392

2007-12-26 Thread Steve Hajducek
Hi Rick, You really need to view RM-11392 for what it is, the entire thrust of RM-11392 in my opinion is an effort at protectionism ( its an old story that dates back ages ) of obsolete technology and practices by an attempt to limit the advancement of new technologies and practices, this is

Re: [digitalradio] RM-11392

2007-12-26 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
It's all about how much of the band you are using. But you know how they like to pick on poor Pactor. Read page 11 line 4,5 and 6 of the PDF file * * * * * page 11 of RM11392.PDF 8. Two bandwidths are appropriate for what is now the RTTY/Data subband, 1.5 KHz and 2.4 kHz. The selection of these

Re: [digitalradio] RM-11392

2007-12-26 Thread bruce mallon
You really need to view RM-11392 for what it is, the entire thrust of RM-11392 in my opinion is an effort at protectionism ( its an old story that dates back ages ) of obsolete technology and practices by an attempt to limit the advancement of new technologies and practices, this is just the

Re: [digitalradio] RM-11392

2007-12-26 Thread Steve Hajducek
Hi Bruce, From your reply I can see that my statement really it home, sorry if the the hurts! /s/ Steve, N2CKH At 07:07 PM 12/26/2007, you wrote: You really need to view RM-11392 for what it is, the entire thrust of RM-11392 in my opinion is an effort at protectionism ( its an old story that

Re: [digitalradio] RM-11392

2007-12-26 Thread bruce mallon
NO STEVE You and the digi boys need to get it You have entire bands on UHF to use and they sit EMPTY .. Your disrespect for all of those who are happy with analog shows how little you care about the hobby. ONLY YOUR SELF .. IF IT Ain't DIGITAL it ain't radio When you can show

Re: [digitalradio] RM-11392

2007-12-26 Thread Rick
Hi Steve, I agree that it is a type of protectionism. I did not view it that way as much until we really started seeing a lot of new modes and how poorly they cooperated with each other. Especially with the main change over the years which is ... inability to intercommunicate. The best we can

Re: [digitalradio] RM-11392

2007-12-26 Thread Steve Hajducek
Hi Rick, At 08:26 PM 12/26/2007, you wrote: Hi Steve, I agree that it is a type of protectionism. Which in my opinion is a worst case issue for the Amateur Radio Service (ARS) than the technical challenges being presented. I did not view it that way as much until we really started seeing