[digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-25 Thread Demetre SV1UY
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Roger J. Buffington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Demetre SV1UY wrote: Well, Do we really need contests, ragchewing, voice qsos, voice nets, cw qsos, cw nets, on HF? Realy it all depends on what each individual wants to do! Your millage might vary!

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-25 Thread Dave AA6YQ
Of Demetre SV1UY Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 10:21 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Roger J. Buffington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Demetre SV1UY wrote: Well, Do we really need

[digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-25 Thread Demetre SV1UY
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave AA6YQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've been through this too many times, Demetre. I know you get it, you just won't admit it. The core issue is not that WinLink conveys email or uses a digital mode protocol that's wide or narrow -- its that its

[digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-25 Thread Demetre SV1UY
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave AA6YQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've been through this too many times, Demetre. I know you get it, you just won't admit it. The core issue is not that WinLink conveys email or uses a digital mode protocol that's wide or narrow -- its that its

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-25 Thread Roger J. Buffington
Dave AA6YQ wrote: We've been through this too many times, Demetre. I know you get it, you just won't admit it. The core issue is not that WinLink conveys email or uses a digital mode protocol that's wide or narrow -- its that its unattended stations (PMBOs) transmit without first

[digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-25 Thread Dave Bernstein
AA6YQ comments below --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Demetre SV1UY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You must admit that the problem you have is not Winlink, but any form of networking on HF. Wrong. My problem is with unattended stations that transmit without first listening to see that the

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-25 Thread Roger J. Buffington
Demetre SV1UY wrote: OK Roger, Whether you like it or not all the above DIGITAL MODES are here to stay!!! They are not going to go away because you don't like them. If you don't like them don't use them! Actually, I doubt very much whether Winlink or Pactor will be around a few years from

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-25 Thread w6ids
- Original Message - From: Demetre SV1UY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies OK Dave, You must admit that the problem you have is not Winlink, but any form

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-25 Thread Dave AA6YQ
: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of w6ids Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 6:39 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies - Original Message - From: Demetre SV1UY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-25 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
Dave I agree with you but how about a new twist to this. Not too long ago I was having a real nice keyboard to keyboard QSO with K2MO - Tony on dial freq 7,077.4 Pactor when a member of this list starting calling CQ on another mode. I did get a call and email him asking if he did hear the

[digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-25 Thread Dave Bernstein
You were having a Pactor QSO and someone called CQ nearby in another mode. You were able to identify the CQing operator. From your after- the-fact email conversation with this person, its clear that he heard your signal. If he assumed that your Pactor signal was coming from a robot and that it

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-20 Thread Rick
Hi Walt, I did try and operate on 6 meter AM back in the summer of 1964, but had inadequately operating equipment and hardly anyone local who worked the band. At that time local was mostly done on 2 meter AM so I bought a Heath Lunchbox and later a Clegg 22er which I even operated mobile. Even

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-20 Thread Walt DuBose
In my college days, lots of on-campus and off-campus hams work 6M with the Benton Harbor lunch box, Lafayette rigs and some home brew rigs. I use a Lafayette running I suppose a couple of watts output, then a home brew 6146 transmitter about 15-20 watts output and ARC-5 Command Set receiver

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-19 Thread Rick
Quite a few emergency planners are counting on the internet staying operational except in the immediate disaster area. As an example, our ARRL Section leader wants members to move all digital to Winlink 2000 and is focusing most resources to developing an interlinked repeater system for voice

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-19 Thread Rud Merriam
- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:24 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies Quite a few emergency planners are counting on the internet staying

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-19 Thread Walt DuBose
I dont think that anyone believes that you can completely kill off the Internet in its entirity; however, certainly certain sections/rather large geographical areas could loose connectivity for several hours even for perhaps a day. The question is what do amateur radio operators do during that

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-19 Thread Walt DuBose
Rud Merriam wrote: [Stuff Deleted] I also think more use of VHF for covering NVIS distances is possible. A nearby digi can connect at times to a Winlink Telpac node in Austin. That is a distance of 130 or more miles. Since local use of NVIS would be to reach the state EOC in Austin it is a

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-19 Thread W2XJ
Those are good and insightful questions. I would not depend on the Internet working. While certain data centers are hardened the average user will not have access to those benefits. We learned in the last NYC black out that the telephone company is no longer maintaining generators and they

[digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-19 Thread Don Rand
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Walt DuBose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont think that anyone believes that you can completely kill off the Internet in its entirity; however, certainly certain sections/rather large geographical areas could loose connectivity for several hours even for

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-19 Thread Rick
I tend toward having solutions to the more extreme situations, but I am probably more of an exception. With our summer flood disaster, our immediate area did not have a communications emergency, but it could have happened. Across the Mississippi River in SE MN, they did have worse conditions.

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-19 Thread Walt DuBose
Ric, You have discovered the lost band...6M. Well for that matter 10M and 6M FM. Going back to my LMR (at the time just commercial 2-way radio) dispatch days, motorola had a formula that said two stations running 30 watts at 30 ft could operate 30 miles. 15 miles to a mobile and that was in

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-18 Thread Walt DuBose
Roger J. Buffington wrote: Demetre SV1UY wrote: Well, Do we really need contests, ragchewing, voice qsos, voice nets, cw qsos, cw nets, on HF? Realy it all depends on what each individual wants to do! Your millage might vary! It's a hobby OM! Each guys pleasure might be someone else's

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-18 Thread W2XJ
I think anything that depends on interconnected infrastructure is vulnerable in an emergency. In a real emergency SSB AM FM and CW are the only viable modes that you know will work. Everyone likes to tout emergencies and homeland security to support whatever position they wish to champion.

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-15 Thread dalite01
Fisher Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 10:40 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies David, If it was using Pactor 2 would Winlink accept the message/attachments? or is the 50K limit applicable here also? 73 Sholto KE7HVP

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-14 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.
Could you set up an automatic archive of these PACTOR transmissions, like the various ones that exist for SSTV? Leigh/WA5ZNU --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Sholto Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For instance I am monitoring a Pactor 2 transmission on 30m that has been on going for

[digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-14 Thread jhaynesatalumni
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Sholto Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It can also clog up our bands. For instance I am monitoring a Pactor 2 transmission on 30m that has been on going for around 25 minutes so far and the latest email to go through is titled: FW: Please read til

[digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-14 Thread Demetre SV1UY
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Sholto Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It can also clog up our bands. For instance I am monitoring a Pactor 2 transmission on 30m that has been on going for around 25 minutes so far and the latest email to go through is titled: FW: Please read til

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-14 Thread dalite01
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leigh L Klotz, Jr. Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 5:42 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies Could you set up an automatic archive of these PACTOR transmissions, like the various ones that exist

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-14 Thread Sholto Fisher
. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 2:55 PM Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-14 Thread Roger J. Buffington
Demetre SV1UY wrote: Well, Do we really need contests, ragchewing, voice qsos, voice nets, cw qsos, cw nets, on HF? Realy it all depends on what each individual wants to do! Your millage might vary! It's a hobby OM! Each guys pleasure might be someone else's discomfort, but when an

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-14 Thread Sholto Fisher
Correction: it was Pactor 1 ARQ I was monitoring and yes, it was Winlink. 73 Sholto KE7HPV - Original Message - From: Leigh L Klotz, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-14 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.
stinks here:) David KD4NUE -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leigh L Klotz, Jr. Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 5:42 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-14 Thread dalite01
-Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sholto Fisher Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:05 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies Correction: it was Pactor 1 ARQ I

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies

2007-12-14 Thread Sholto Fisher
be in Snopes by now. David KD4NUE -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sholto Fisher Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:05 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Can Be Reliable in Emergencies