[digitalradio] ST. VINCENT, J8. SSTV

2008-03-02 Thread Andrew O'Brien
ST. VINCENT, J8. Dave, G3TBK will be QRV as J88DR for one week. This includes an entry in the ARRL SSB DX contest. Afterwards, he will be active on all bands using CW, SSB, RTTY and possibly SSTV. QSL to home call. ARRL- -- Andy K3UK www.obriensweb.com (QSL via N2RJ)

[digitalradio] Re: Keeping NBEMS in mind

2008-03-02 Thread Andrew O'Brien
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, n0sya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does nbems fare in weak signal conditions compared to other modes such as olivia and mt63? NBEMS is the software package, not an actual mode. It includes PSK31, PSK63, PSK 125, PSK250, MFSK16 and RTTY. MT63 and Olivia

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Keeping NBEMS in mind

2008-03-02 Thread kh6ty
How does nbems fare in weak signal conditions compared to other modes such as olivia and mt63? NBEMS uses the PSK modes for simplicity of tuning, narrowness, and speed. Other, wider modes, like Olivia and MT63, work further down under the noise threshold than the PSKmodes. This makes them

[digitalradio] Re: Keeping NBEMS in mind

2008-03-02 Thread Andrew O'Brien
I guess that Skip and I were typing at the same time! Andy

[digitalradio] Re: Keeping NBEMS in mind

2008-03-02 Thread n0sya
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andrew O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess that Skip and I were typing at the same time! Andy Thanks for all the input, guys! Chris/n0syq

Re: [digitalradio] Some thoughts on antenna polarization for emergency use

2008-03-02 Thread George Gallis
I recall reading years ago horz TV may have been picked over vert because some test showed there to be less multipath and therefore less reflections and ghosts on the picture. I have no idea whether that is true. I remember seeing vert TV antennas in some other countries. AL7BX/ George

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Keeping NBEMS in mind

2008-03-02 Thread Rick
I can see that some digital modes would not work very well for ARQ that is decoded in real time. MT-63 and MFSK16 both have latency due to their design. I am surprised that MFSK16 was considered, but perhaps this was due to being the most narrow mode that also can work very deep into the

[digitalradio] Some success with PSKmail

2008-03-02 Thread Rick
I recently revisited PSKmail as I had previously downloaded fldigi and was thinking that I had that program working. I did the necessary unzip and untar, although I could not get the regular GUI program to do it. It indicated no directory to put it in and so I just used the terminal program. I

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Keeping NBEMS in mind

2008-03-02 Thread John Bradley
true John, but function beats pretty most of the time.. As far as FAE400 goes, I would like to try it. Too bad one can only get it from one source. (gee that kind of makes it just like pactor 3. I don't hear any anyone screaming bloody murder about that.) Multipsk may be a very fine

Re: [digitalradio] Some success with PSKmail

2008-03-02 Thread Rein Couperus
For people who don't want the 'hassle' of installing some perl modules via CPAN there are 2 possibilities: * Run pskmail and fldigi from the pskmail_puppy live CD. It boots in 45 seconds the second time if you save some files on your C drive after first use. This will give you fldigi 2.09 and

[digitalradio] Multipsk appearance

2008-03-02 Thread Andrew O'Brien
John, One major advantage of Multipsk is that it works on next-to-nothing for a PC, you can use it on old 486 machines! Every drop-down box and fancy bell and whistle usually adds CPU and RAM demand. To compare ALE400 in Multipsk with Pactor's copyright is absurd . ALE 400 is FREE whereas PIII

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Keeping NBEMS in mind

2008-03-02 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
After reading this thread with great intrust I still fail to see the difference between it and what has been done with the Pactor modes. That is other than being narrow. I have copies Pactor that has to say the least been about 2 DB under ESP. As far as FAE400 goes, I would like to try it. Too

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Keeping NBEMS in mind

2008-03-02 Thread Rein Couperus
All high-latency modes are unsuitable for ARQ. A persistent misconception is that you would be using signals near the noise level. As I have stated many times, noise is hardly ever the problem unless it is S8. The problem is multi-path causing QSB (up to 80 dB on path we are using) and QRM from

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Keeping NBEMS in mind

2008-03-02 Thread Rick
John, The difference is HUGE! Pactor is a proprietary mode and the primary use is for radio e-mail. The cost is quite high for just that one function and very few of us digital operators will buy a single sourced foreign product for that purpose unless we are boaters or RV'ers and want the

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Keeping NBEMS in mind

2008-03-02 Thread Patrick Lindecker
Hello John, As far as FAE400 goes, I would like to try it. Too bad one can only get it from one source. (gee that kind of makes it just like pactor 3. Pactor 2 and 3 have private detailed specifications which forbid to even decode them (however it would be impossible to work them in ARQ with a

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Keeping NBEMS in mind

2008-03-02 Thread John Bradley
you know what Patrick? it works really, really well and can live with the GUI however you want it. John VE5MU From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Lindecker Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 1:59 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Keeping NBEMS in mind

2008-03-02 Thread kh6ty
- Original Message - From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Keeping NBEMS in mind I can see that some digital modes would not work very well for ARQ that is decoded in real time. MT-63 and

[digitalradio] Fw: [multipsk] Test of JT65 on Multipsk / Essai du JT65 sur Multipsk

2008-03-02 Thread Patrick Lindecker
For important information about JT65 on Multipsk. 73 Patrick you know what Patrick? it works really, really well and can live with the GUI however you want it. TKS John! - Original Message - From: Patrick Lindecker To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Keeping NBEMS in mind

2008-03-02 Thread Andrew O'Brien
and the LATEST beta to the test team has a major surprise ! tease... On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 3:21 PM, John Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you know what Patrick? it works really, really well and can live with the GUI however you want it. John VE5MU From:

[digitalradio] Re: [multipsk] Test of JT65 on Multipsk / Essai du JT65 sur Multipsk

2008-03-02 Thread Steinar Aanesland
Hi Patrick! This was great news! I am ready for testing form 160m to 10m . Calling on 14074 right now . 73 de LA5VNA Steinar Patrick Lindecker skrev: Hello all, I have issued a new test version of Multipsk which adds the JT65 mode (RX/TX), for the ones interested by tests. This

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Keeping NBEMS in mind

2008-03-02 Thread Rick
I earlier mentioned ARQ in real time, but if you use the programming technique that KN6KB used when he developed SCAMP, (Sound Card Amateur Messaging Protocol), he used RDFT. While this was not practical to decode during each cycle, he was able to work in the background with the past packet

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Keeping NBEMS in mind

2008-03-02 Thread kh6ty
I have seen some multiipath, especially when I have tested PSK31 on VHF, but much of that was from aircraft. I am not sure how I can discern multipath when on HF. Is there any clue in the waterfall or do you go by the sound? 73, Rick, KV9U You will see three kinds of multipath on VHF,

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Keeping NBEMS in mind

2008-03-02 Thread Rein Couperus
I earlier mentioned ARQ in real time, but if you use the programming technique that KN6KB used when he developed SCAMP, (Sound Card Amateur Messaging Protocol), he used RDFT. While this was not practical to decode during each cycle, he was able to work in the background with the past

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Keeping NBEMS in mind

2008-03-02 Thread John Bradley
This may be true at lower latitudes, but up here at 50 degrees north, we get sustained aurora flutter or Doppler on HF and VHF. Sometimes the audio has a distinct echo. PSK125 and 250 are worse. we do have days where we have strong signals but cannot decode anything. it would be nice to have

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Keeping NBEMS in mind

2008-03-02 Thread kh6ty
John, Over what distance are you getting flutter or Doppler on VHF? I only get the flutter (usually all the time!) when I try to work Charlotte, NC from Charleston, SC on 70 cm, which is 173 miles away, but I am not far enough north for Aurora. For emcomm, we only need to span up to 100 miles.

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Keeping NBEMS in mind

2008-03-02 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
Yes you must buy a box to play the mode. What did you do before the sound card? Maybe watch your corn grow. As far as the email comment, I can tell you have not seen to much if any of the pactor or packet traffic of late. Just going on what other have said. John At 01:30 PM 3/2/2008, you

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Keeping NBEMS in mind

2008-03-02 Thread John Bradley
on occasion less than 100 miles on VHF and sometimes as little as 30 miles on 80M HF I disagree with the assumption that for Emcomms we only need span 100 miles. That may be true in higher population areas, and where the state is broken down into counties. Up here we will be working into

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Keeping NBEMS in mind

2008-03-02 Thread Rick
It is precisely because of the sound card that we no longer buy expensive boxes, cards, etc. When I got back into ham radio in 1980, it was not long before I found that I enjoyed the digital modes. When I moved from our first farm back to the city, I was very surprised to see one local ham who