[digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition

2007-12-27 Thread Demetre SV1UY
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, W2XJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Demetre SV1UY wrote: First of all not many can afford a satellite phone, which is also not amateur radio. A satellite phone plus connection fees are far more expensive than a PACTOR MODEM. Second many do not even have the

[digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats

2007-12-27 Thread Demetre SV1UY
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: QRM from PMBOs and other deaf robots spoils the enjoyment of amateur radio for many operators Demetre. That's why so many are willing to do practically anything to make WinLink stop generating QRM. Anti-radiation

[digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats

2007-12-27 Thread Dave Bernstein
+++ more AA6YQ comments below --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Demetre SV1UY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: QRM from PMBOs and other deaf robots spoils the enjoyment of amateur radio for many operators Demetre. That's why so many are willing to do practically anything to make WinLink stop

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats

2007-12-27 Thread Les Warriner
IMNSHO malicious interference, interference that prevents or interrupts a QSO on a frequency from any source is ILLEGAL by the existing rules. The fact that this rule is not being enforced should generate information to the FCC on these interferences and requests to the same agency to clean

[digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats

2007-12-27 Thread Demetre SV1UY
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +++ more AA6YQ comments below --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Demetre SV1UY sv1uy@ wrote: QRM from PMBOs and other deaf robots spoils the enjoyment of amateur radio for many operators Demetre. That's why

[digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats

2007-12-27 Thread Dave Bernstein
AA6YQ comments below --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Les Warriner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMNSHO malicious interference, interference that prevents or interrupts a QSO on a frequency from any source is ILLEGAL by the existing rules. The fact that this rule is not being enforced should

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats

2007-12-27 Thread Dave AA6YQ
. What's your grid square? 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Demetre SV1UY Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 5:42 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital

[digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats

2007-12-27 Thread Demetre SV1UY
Oh, I nearly forgot to ask you Dave, what's the matter with you and PACTOR-3? Has uncle Steve been bad to you recently? I can help you know!!! 73 de Demetre de SV1UY P.S. Please smile, this is only a hobby OM. MERRY CHRISTMAS and a HAPPY NEW YEAR to all.

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats

2007-12-27 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
At 04:23 PM 12/27/2007, you wrote: Again in MO, any station operating unattended and generating RF interfering signals should NEVER be allowed on Amateur frequencies. It's not ! under FCC rules

[digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats

2007-12-27 Thread Demetre SV1UY
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave AA6YQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You caught me, Demetre. I did rent an F-16 last weekend and got all the way to Winlink Planetary Headquarters before realizing that the HARMs Hertz gave me were tuned to 7.105 GHz instead of 7.105 MHz as requested. So I

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats

2007-12-27 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
At 04:37 PM 12/27/2007, you wrote: Unless you're willing to purchase an SCS TNC, you will not be able to know who or what QRM'd you. A requirement that all unattended stations identify in CW at least once within each 5-minute period of activity would eliminate this problem. Dave I'm not to

[digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats

2007-12-27 Thread Dave Bernstein
If you'd actually read any of my posts, Demetre, you'd know that my focus is on automatic stations without busy detectors -- no matter what protocol they are using. In fact I recently posted here that banning Pactor III because a bunch of inconsiderate operators use it in PMBOs would be like

[digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats

2007-12-27 Thread Dave Bernstein
I have never heard a WinLink PMBO identify in CW. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John Becker, WØJAB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 04:37 PM 12/27/2007, you wrote: Unless you're willing to purchase an SCS TNC, you will not be able to know who or what QRM'd you.

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats

2007-12-27 Thread David Struebel
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:26 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats I have never heard a WinLink PMBO identify in CW. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats

2007-12-27 Thread Roger J. Buffington
Dave Bernstein wrote: I have never heard a WinLink PMBO identify in CW. 73, Dave, AA6YQ That is because they never do. The SCS TNCs can be set to ID in CW, but in practice no one ever does. de Roger W6VZV

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats

2007-12-27 Thread Howard Brown
Struebel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 7:36:45 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats Listen to mineIt IDs in CW at the end

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition, QRM on PACTOR PMBOS now from DAVE, Congrats

2007-12-27 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
At 07:26 PM 12/27/2007, you wrote: I have never heard a WinLink PMBO identify in CW. Like I said Dave my winlink station does it all the time. Either in P1 or CW. Now if I'm in a KB2KB QSO it will not I will force the SCS modem to do it. But under computer control it will. It's in use right

[digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition

2007-12-26 Thread Demetre SV1UY
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, W2XJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the whole thing is pointless. Why to I want to try to send email via a slow speed serial stream when I have 100 meg Internet on the computer next to the rig? I firmly believe that these systems are too organized to

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition

2007-12-26 Thread W2XJ
Demetre SV1UY wrote: What about the Radio Hams that do not have the luxury of 100 meg Internet that YOU ENJOY, or don't even have a 56k dial-up connection? What about the ones who travel the world in a boat, in an RV, the ones that are on holiday away from home? What about the ones who travel

[digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition

2007-12-26 Thread Demetre SV1UY
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Currently deployed PMBOs have no way to reliably determine whether or not the frequency is locally clear. They may be configured to detect Pactor signals, but they cannot detect signals in any other mode. 73,

[digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition

2007-12-26 Thread Dave Bernstein
+++additional AA6YQ comments below --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Demetre SV1UY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Currently deployed PMBOs have no way to reliably determine whether or not the frequency is locally clear. They may be configured to detect Pactor signals, but they cannot detect

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition

2007-12-26 Thread kh6ty
- Original Message - From: Demetre SV1UY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 4:56 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Currently deployed

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition

2007-12-26 Thread W2XJ
Demetre SV1UY wrote: Sometimes through the night when I cannot access any European PACTOR PMBOS because I do not have a decent 80 meters antenna, I can connect to PMBOs in Canada or USA on 30 or 40 meters. How about that? If it uses more than 500 hertz bandwidth it is not something I want on

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition

2007-12-26 Thread W2XJ
Demetre SV1UY wrote: First of all not many can afford a satellite phone, which is also not amateur radio. A satellite phone plus connection fees are far more expensive than a PACTOR MODEM. Second many do not even have the luxury of a UHF link, nor are they near a town, so HF is playing a

[digitalradio] Re: Questions on digital opposition

2007-12-26 Thread Dave Bernstein
AA6YQ comments below --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Demetre SV1UY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +++So you -- the client -- are activating a PMBO in Canada or the USA. While you can know that the frequency is clear in Europe, you have absolutely no idea whether your activating a PMBO in