:artificial stupidity" - see GIGO.
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>If humans ever get so depende
>I have frequently caught him citing news sources that got the details wrong
>- so frequently that I am now in the habit of looking up (for example)
>Supreme-Court rulings to see what they actually say rather than what he
>said they say.
AMEN. News reports SHOULD be valuable, but this has become
>If humans ever get so dependent on AI that they blindly follow the
>"advice" of an AI assistant, all it takes is for AI to feed humans a
>mis-analysis of a life-threatening situation or potential extinction
>event and let the humans do the damage.
Sorry, but I cannot resist an obvious
And because curiosity is a thing and so is the Interwebs, I looked re Ice
Pirates and this review supports what I'd heard. That doesn't make it true,
but increases the odds:
https://fictionmachine.com/2018/02/13/review-the-ice-pirates-1984/
(Yes, we're a wee bit off-topic, although arguing
Ah. As a comedy I judge it much less harshly :).
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The first time I saw it on Tubi, I quit after 10 minutes. A few months later,
I was really bored, and decided to watch it again. The second time, I watched
it to the end. It really is cheesy. But that is what makes it funny. You
really have to love their alien :)
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>Wow, that looks REALLY bad! Even for 1974.
Bob, it was a comedy. And a great one-I saw it first-run or thereabouts and
have VERY fond memories of it. Opening scene, which first Star Wars movie
kind of borrowed, has the ship moving majestically across the screen. Then
it
Wow, that looks REALLY bad! Even for 1974. I don't suppose the movie ever
explained what "unstable" means in this context and why anyone cares?
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Is that the one that imitated a therapist who asked questions that are
merely reflections of the last thing the user wrote? "I hear you saying
you're
Is that the one that imitated a therapist who asked questions that are
merely reflections of the last thing the user wrote? "I hear you saying
you're angry at your mother. Can you say why?" "How did that make you
feel?" Like that. I encountered that in college and found it surprisingly
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Matt Hogstrom wrote:
>I don't believe AI "learned" anything but rather adjusted the
>algorithms based on a set of changes in probability of what
>the algorithm has ingested and processed for its LLM.
So now we'
Insects pollinate everything. They also are food for many other species.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/jan/11/climate-change-insect-world-global-heating-species
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On Monday, April 10, 2023, 4:25 PM, Mike Schwab wrote:
Life forms themselves are not
Life forms themselves are not causing the climate change, as plants
consume and plants and animals release CO2 in overall balance. It is
the one way burning of long stored carbon fuels releasing CO2 into the
atmosphere that is causing the problems. Much like volcanoes have
changed climate in the
I probably should just stay silent, but...
I did a lot of 'testing' with ChatGPT. I believe that it is just a very
sophisticated data collection/summarization tool. For example, I asked
it to compare and contrast book x and book y, which were from different
authors on the same subject.
Matt Hogstrom wrote:
>I don't believe AI "learned" anything but rather adjusted the
>algorithms based on a set of changes in probability of what
>the algorithm has ingested and processed for its LLM.
So now we're really getting into epistemology: is that not what 'learning'
comprises? That's a
> On Apr 10, 2023, at 3:10 PM, Bob Bridges wrote:
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> Rex, the scary part about AI is that nobody programmed it to respond that
> way-it learned how to do so on its own.
I don’t believe AI “learned” anything but rather adjusted the algorithms based
on a set of changes in probability of what
If humanity was a science based civilization & humans were inherently good, I
think we’d be pretty safe no matter how advanced the AI systems were. Sadly, we
are not even close on either.
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The articles I
The articles I was able to find on the Belgian suicide all cited the AI's
contributions third-hand; they never quoted anything the AI said, only "the
man considered suicide and the AI encouraged this, according to his widow"
and like that. I'd be interested to see what it actually wrote.
That
I know, dead horse, but still, this is a reason to start looking
at the "Rules of Robotics" and implement them now at the bare
metal level if possible. It would thwart malware (well, we can
hope).
Steve Thompson
On 4/10/2023 3:01 PM, Phil Smith III wrote:
Rex Pommier wrote:
Here's a
Rex Pommier wrote:
>Here's a different take on AI taking over and wiping out humanity. Last
>month an AI chatbox allegedly convinced a Belgian man to commit suicide
>after convincing him that if he "sacrificed himself", the chatbox could
>save mankind from climate change. Obviously the guy had
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My best friend in hi
My best friend in high school and I have long-running debates on matters
religious and political, and I have frequently caught him citing news sources
that got the details wrong - so frequently that I am now in the habit of
looking up (for example) Supreme-Court rulings to see what they
While putting an AI computer in direct charge of life-extinction lethal
force is an obvious no-no to anyone familiar with sci-fi doomsday
scenarios, it doesn't take extremes like Colossus to cause potential
disaster.
If humans ever get so dependent on AI that they blindly follow the
"advice"
It's a quibble, but I'd say not that humans are causing it but that humans are
influencing it. We may be the most influential species on the planet, but not
the only one, and biological life on earth is not the only cause of climate
change.
I pause here to wonder: Are we really the most
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An interesting article in some ways. I don't take seriously all of its
speculations, partly because as a Christian I see world events progressing
rather differently. But one assumption I want to question here starts with the
o
My beliefs are we are currently in a 6th mass extinction. The earth has already
experienced 5. The difference is this one is caused by human activity. AI might
be able to prevent it or perhaps just lengthen and delay its impact. Or wipe us
out before it plays out.
And, no one mentions the HAL 9000???
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Getting into philosophy, but why not?
Shmuel> Wouldn't that depend on the programming and training?
Me> Sure. Has anyone programmed self-preservation into any of the current
AIs? I suspect no one's thought of such a thing yet. (And maybe anyone who
has thought of it has thought better of it.)
Or, of course, "Colossus: The Forbin Project", in which the computer
concludes that it must become the world's dictator in order to preserve
mankind from its own idiocies.
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Why does the author omit the classic "I, Robot" by Issac Asimov.
Where the "AI" decides to protect humanity from itself.
That being said, I believe we are far from se
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Yeah, I realize I didn't define anything. But in this case I'm really just
saying that we have no idea whether an AI can
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> Yeah, I realize I didn't define anything. But in this case I'm really just
> saying that we have no idea whether an AI can have an impulse to preserve
> itself. We observe that impulse in every form of life, but it's well to
> keep
Yeah, I realize I didn't define anything. But in this case I'm really just
saying that we have no idea whether an AI can have an impulse to preserve
itself. We observe that impulse in every form of life, but it's well to
keep in mind that an AI isn't of that sort. It may have that impulse, but
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Thoughts.
The Aliens Have Landed, and We Created Them
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An i
An interesting article in some ways. I don't take seriously all of its
speculations, partly because as a Christian I see world events progressing
rather differently. But one assumption I want to question here starts with the
observation that all life seeks to survive, and speculates that AIs
You might get more responses on the offtopic day (Friday), but here are my
thoughts:-
Hardly! It can do statistics and answer "Roughly what kind of word soup
would someone expect in answer to..." but it doesn't understand what the
words mean, and even when you prove it wrong, it can only BS like
I think that when it's time to railroad, people are gonna railroad, aka the
genie doesn't go back in the bottle. All the calls for a "moratorium" are
silly: there's no way to enforce one, so it's just a waste of time. Spend
the effort looking for ways to mitigate/avoid the risks, don't pretend
Thoughts.
The Aliens Have Landed, and We Created Them
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