Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-27 Thread robin
rikona wrote: Hello Anne, Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 2:43:16 PM, you wrote: It may be in the docs, but not in a form that is readily accessible by a simple search. AW It's an interesting proposition, but not an overnight job, I think g True. How does one get a group together to

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-26 Thread Fajar Priyanto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I used to press ctrl+C, and wondered why linux said that there were stopped jobs everytime I shutdown it. ;p It was not long ago that someone told me to press q to quit the man pages ;p On Wednesday 24 September 2003 07:37 pm, Charles A Edwards

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-26 Thread robin
Rather than directing a newbie to the man page, it's often better to recommend the info page. OK, sometimes there is no info page and sometimes it's identical to the man page, but frequently they have more explanation and, most usefully, example commands. Later, of course, we'll be able to

Re[2]: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-26 Thread rikona
Hello Anne, Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 2:43:16 PM, you wrote: It may be in the docs, but not in a form that is readily accessible by a simple search. AW It's an interesting proposition, but not an overnight job, I think g True. How does one get a group together to develop it? --

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-25 Thread robin
Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 23 Sep 2003 9:19 pm, rikona wrote: Hello Anne, Monday, September 22, 2003, 12:31:31 AM, you wrote: AAW Don't want to rain on your parade, rikona, but 'natural language' AW searches never seemed to give me answers either. It is VERY likely that your natural

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Eric Huff
OK In the RUTE manual it says if you're in cli mode, best wya to powerdown is use three finger salut. Why not use shutdown or reboot -now? Is that wise (rutes suggestion..) or out of date? Anyways, when I've dropped out of X, I always use: shutdown -h now Don't know what

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Lee Wiggers
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:51:49 -0400 Heather/Femme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:08:00 -0600 Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Heather if you're at the command line interface the best way to shut down is type: halt enter If you just want a reboot type:

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Lee Wiggers
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:51:49 -0400 Heather/Femme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:08:00 -0600 Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Heather if you're at the command line interface the best way to shut down is type: halt enter If you just want a reboot type:

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Heather/Femme
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 01:51:48 -0400 snicks Peter Schilling lives! grin Anyways, when I've dropped out of X, I always use: shutdown -h now Don't know what others do though See ya! --

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Wednesday 24 September 2003 09:06 pm, Heather/Femme wrote: OK In the RUTE manual it says if you're in cli mode, best wya to powerdown is use three finger salut. Why not use shutdown or reboot -now? Is that wise (rutes suggestion..) or out of date? ty Earth to Major Femme! Peter

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Pawel Nozderko
You can wrote in .bash_profile alias name=command it's simple alias quit=halt alias quit2=shutdown -h now :) OK In the RUTE manual it says if you're in cli mode, best wya to powerdown is use three finger salut. Why not use shutdown or reboot -now? Is that wise (rutes

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-25 Thread Franki
Lee Wiggers wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:50:41 + Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 24 September 2003 03:27 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote: snip Note that if you do your nix learning on the newbie list it may take a few years, and you may bump in to an Aussie or two, but

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Charlie M.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 24, 2003 09:51 pm, Heather/Femme wrote: [..] ty. but...doesn't tell me if their method is right/wrong/irrevelevant/dangerous...or what. Ty Femmily It's the same as with nearly anything in GNU/Linux Heather. There is nearly always

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-25 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 02:43, robin wrote: Nicely put, in fact it should be included in the official fortune distribution so people are reminded of it on a regular basis. Sir Robin Reminded of what? stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 16:05, Eric Huff wrote: I always type use halt eric I use poweroff and reboot - they appear to work much more nicer than plug yank. stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Heather/Femme
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 02:27:18 -0400 Lee Wiggers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giant snip but...doesn't tell me if their method is right/wrong/irrevelevant/dangerous...or what. Ty Femmily Irreverent, for sure. -- User #223705 Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org I'm

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Heather/Femme
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 02:20:31 -0600 Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 24, 2003 09:51 pm, Heather/Femme wrote: [..] ty. but...doesn't tell me if their method is right/wrong/irrevelevant/dangerous...or what. Ty Femmily

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Heather/Femme
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:04:40 +0200 (CEST) Pawel Nozderko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can wrote in .bash_profile alias name=command it's simple alias quit=halt alias quit2=shutdown -h now :) OK In the RUTE manual it says if you're in cli mode, best wya to powerdown is use three

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Charlie M.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 25, 2003 12:26 am, Lee Wiggers wrote: [..] I also am interested in the answer. Since installing 9.1, I haven't been able to shut down without shutdown now or ctl-alt-backspace. Didn't care because shutdowns are rare here. Anyway I've

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Charlie M.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 25, 2003 12:47 am, Heather/Femme wrote: [..] choice on how to shutdown your comp isn't what I'm after. Just wanna know if doing ctrl-alt-del will shut it sown cleanly... I know it doesn't do it clanly for windows. Most often that

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread ed tharp
On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 21:06, Heather/Femme wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:09:20 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like paper. I print out man pages, HOW-TOs, TWiki pages g and everything else that seems to help. I buy books, too. I posted a question about symlinks some time

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Thursday 25 September 2003 12:01 am, Heather/Femme wrote: whos schilling? lol I was referring to a Bowie song. heh ty Femme Ah, my bad - I was thinking about Peter Schillings song Major Tom. You know, 4 3 2 1, Earth below us, drifting falling... (pardon my singing voice, its 7:11am

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 25 Sep 2003 2:06 am, Heather/Femme wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:09:20 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like paper. I print out man pages, HOW-TOs, TWiki pages g and everything else that seems to help. I buy books, too. I posted a question about symlinks some

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 25 Sep 2003 2:06 am, Heather/Femme wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:09:20 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like paper. I print out man pages, HOW-TOs, TWiki pages g and everything else that seems to help. I buy books, too. I posted a question about symlinks some

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 25 Sep 2003 7:43 am, Heather/Femme wrote: On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 02:27:18 -0400 Lee Wiggers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giant snip but...doesn't tell me if their method is right/wrong/irrevelevant/dangerous...or what. Ty Femmily Irreverent, for sure. -- User

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-25 Thread Aron Smith
On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 15:51, robin wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 23 Sep 2003 9:19 pm, rikona wrote: Hello Anne, Monday, September 22, 2003, 12:31:31 AM, you wrote: AAW Don't want to rain on your parade, rikona, but 'natural language' AW searches never seemed to give me

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-25 Thread Aron Smith
On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 14:15, Franki wrote: Lee Wiggers wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:50:41 + Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 24 September 2003 03:27 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote: snip Note that if you do your nix learning on the newbie list it may take a

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT hijack..sorry!

2003-09-25 Thread Heather/Femme
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 03:09:25 -0600 Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: /Snip No, it should not do any harm. If you watch the system you'll see that it will go through a normal reboot cycle using that shortcut. C. - - ty :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-25 Thread Lee Wiggers
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:47:05 -0700 Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 14:15, Franki wrote: Lee Wiggers wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:50:41 + Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 24 September 2003 03:27 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote:

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-24 Thread RichardA
On 24 Sep 2003 05:30:42 +0700, Merlin Zener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe the helpful answerers expect things too. Someone suggested [I'm sorry, I don't know who - Evolution is acting up again: emails open up with blank windows - but that's a topic for another thread] that I try locate, but

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-24 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 24 Sep 2003 1:37 pm, Charles A Edwards wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:18:10 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTOH, I had been dutifully opening a console and using su to do maintenance jobs, but closing it to return to user. It was a year later before anyone

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-24 Thread Merlin Zener
On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 10:04, Charlie M. wrote: [...snip snip] I'll accept the apology if you'll accept mine, then we'll call it even and start over. OK? (-: Even. Sounds good to me. Thanks, Charlie. Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four essential food groups --

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-24 Thread Douglas Bainbridge
On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 13:18, Anne Wilson wrote: snip OTOH, I had been dutifully opening a console and using su to do maintenance jobs, but closing it to return to user. It was a year later before anyone actually mentioned that if you type 'exit' you don't need to close it :-) Anne Or

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-24 Thread John Wilson
On September 23, 2003 10:41 pm, dlwiggers wrote: On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:17:58 -0700 John Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On September 23, 2003 01:24 am, Anne Wilson wrote: Thank you for a great exposition of adult learning. Why *should* it be more painful than this? Is it just to

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-24 Thread Lee Wiggers
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 08:03:12 -0700 John Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On September 23, 2003 10:41 pm, dlwiggers wrote: On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:17:58 -0700 John Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On September 23, 2003 01:24 am, Anne Wilson wrote: Thank you for a great exposition of

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-24 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 24 Sep 2003 2:45 pm, Douglas Bainbridge wrote: On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 13:18, Anne Wilson wrote: snip OTOH, I had been dutifully opening a console and using su to do maintenance jobs, but closing it to return to user. It was a year later before anyone actually mentioned that

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-24 Thread Kaj Haulrich
On Wednesday 24 September 2003 03:27 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote: snip Note that if you do your nix learning on the newbie list it may take a few years, and you may bump in to an Aussie or two, but sooner or later it all comes here. Lee Auusies aren't so bad. They're just

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-24 Thread Charlie M.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 24, 2003 07:00 am, Merlin Zener wrote: [..] I'll accept the apology if you'll accept mine, then we'll call it even and start over. OK? (-: Even. Sounds good to me. Thanks, Charlie. Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-24 Thread Lee Wiggers
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:50:41 + Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 24 September 2003 03:27 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote: snip Note that if you do your nix learning on the newbie list it may take a few years, and you may bump in to an Aussie or two, but sooner or

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-24 Thread Aron Smith
On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 12:50, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Wednesday 24 September 2003 03:27 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote: snip Note that if you do your nix learning on the newbie list it may take a few years, and you may bump in to an Aussie or two, but sooner or later it all comes here.

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT hijack..sorry!

2003-09-24 Thread Charlie M.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 24, 2003 07:06 pm, Heather/Femme wrote: [..] OK In the RUTE manual it says if you're in cli mode, best wya to powerdown is use three finger salut. Why not use shutdown or reboot -now? Is that wise (rutes suggestion..) or out of

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT hijack..sorry!

2003-09-24 Thread Heather/Femme
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:09:20 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like paper. I print out man pages, HOW-TOs, TWiki pages g and everything else that seems to help. I buy books, too. I posted a question about symlinks some time ago because I had followed the instructions in the

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages, slight OT hijack..sorry!

2003-09-24 Thread Heather/Femme
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:08:00 -0600 Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Heather if you're at the command line interface the best way to shut down is type: halt enter If you just want a reboot type: reboot enter It may all be outdated but it still works. It's what I use the rare

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-24 Thread yankl
On Wednesday 24 September 2003 08:09 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 24 Sep 2003 11:02 am, HaywireMac wrote: On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:13:07 -0700 John Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: By the same logic you seem to suggest tossing a nonswimmer into the 20 foot end of a pool and say

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread John Wilson
On September 22, 2003 07:40 pm, yankl wrote: vicously clear cuts a whole forest of words I do not think that we need to embrace every person who like to switch to linux. (I see the stones flying in my direction but bare with me for a second) The *NIX OS is designed for responsible people,

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 23 Sep 2003 7:43 am, John Wilson wrote: long snip This is how adults learn. And this is how I teach them and have done so for 15 years. Hook em first then throw the dense stuff at them. This is how you and I learn, too. At the moment I deeply regret not having the time to come

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread HaywireMac
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:47:09 -0600 Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Smells like protecting the noobs from themselves and I find that slightly distasteful. It's their equipment, if they want to screw it up let them. I will disagree however that RTFM is ever a good stand alone

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread HaywireMac
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:43:33 -0700 John Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: In fact any OS should be designed for responsinle persons. The fact is that our favourite whipping boy is designed that way too, then sold as an OS for morons. You get what you market to. :-) big huge ditto. --

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread HaywireMac
On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:24:19 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Thank you for a great exposition of adult learning. Why *should* it be more painful than this? Is it just to protect an elite? even bigger ditto. -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage:

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread Aron Smith
On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 03:47, HaywireMac wrote: On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:43:33 -0700 John Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: In fact any OS should be designed for responsinle persons. The fact is that our favourite whipping boy is designed that way too, then sold as an OS for morons. You

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread JM5379
--- Original Message --- From: Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 03:47, HaywireMac wrote: On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:43:33 -0700 John Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: In fact any OS should be designed

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread dlwiggers
On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 03:25:39 -0700 Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 03:47, HaywireMac wrote: On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:43:33 -0700 John Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: In fact any OS should be designed for responsinle persons. The fact is that our favourite

Re[2]: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread rikona
Hello Anne, Monday, September 22, 2003, 12:31:31 AM, you wrote: AAW Don't want to rain on your parade, rikona, but 'natural language' AW searches never seemed to give me answers either. It is VERY likely that your natural language search was nothing at all like what I am proposing. Just because

Re[2]: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread rikona
Hello yankl, Monday, September 22, 2003, 5:51:31 PM, you wrote: y I think my point was not taken properly. I am sorry it probably my y English (it not even my second language more like fourth). You are doing very well, then. y My point was that people should make a research first and then try

Re[2]: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread rikona
Hello yankl, Monday, September 22, 2003, 7:40:28 PM, you wrote: y The *NIX OS is designed for responsible people, are we agree on y this? One can be VERY responsible and know nothing about the jargon. Many want it as TOOL, not as a hobby/living/etc. The best tools work well, and are very easy

Re[2]: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread rikona
Hello John, Monday, September 22, 2003, 11:43:33 PM, you wrote: JW In the early NIX world where the folks hacking away on the system JW were C programmers talking to C programmers It is more like: Cpgmrs tlk w cp hkg awy @ t sym. I remember a magazine that used to publish a puzzle each month.

Re[2]: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread rikona
Hello Anne, Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 1:24:19 AM, you wrote: AW Any offers? How about a good 'help system'? I'd be willing to contribute. AW It's a challenge, really g Yes, it will certainly be a challenge. :-) How about a help-system list, maybe? -- rikona

Re[2]: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread rikona
Hello Aron, Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 3:25:39 AM, you wrote: AS RTFM OK but the real newbie is having trouble finding TFM Gee - I thought I was the only one with that problem. :-) -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 23 Sep 2003 9:48 pm, rikona wrote: Hello Anne, Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 1:24:19 AM, you wrote: AW Any offers? How about a good 'help system'? I'd be willing to contribute. AW It's a challenge, really g Yes, it will certainly be a challenge. :-) How about a help-system

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 23 Sep 2003 9:19 pm, rikona wrote: Hello Anne, Monday, September 22, 2003, 12:31:31 AM, you wrote: AAW Don't want to rain on your parade, rikona, but 'natural language' AW searches never seemed to give me answers either. It is VERY likely that your natural language search was

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread Merlin Zener
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 13:31, Charlie M. wrote: [...snip] If you don't want to answer questions then don't. That's simple enough. Just don't try to discourage others from freely sharing what they've learned. Please. But before someone can realistically expect a total newbie to be able

Re: Re[2]: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread Aron Smith
On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 13:49, rikona wrote: Hello Aron, Tuesday, September 23, 2003, 3:25:39 AM, you wrote: AS RTFM OK but the real newbie is having trouble finding TFM Gee - I thought I was the only one with that problem. :-) Took me six months to figure out that when a browser opened

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread yankl
On Tuesday 23 September 2003 02:43 am, John Wilson wrote: snip John (who keeps hoping that by flogging this dead horse it will get up and win the Triple Crown) /snip John sorry by by your logic you set a person, with no previous knowledge, in a car and tell him to drive. Not only that, but

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread Charlie M.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 23, 2003 04:30 pm, Merlin Zener wrote: Hi Charlie. I emailed you offlist to apologize but it bounced; I hope you don't mind me taking this opportunity to do it publicly. [for those that missed it, or came in late, I sent a rather hasty

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread John Wilson
On September 23, 2003 06:07 pm, yankl wrote: On Tuesday 23 September 2003 02:43 am, John Wilson wrote: snip Oh my. :-) John sorry by by your logic you set a person, with no previous knowledge, in a car and tell him to drive. Not only that, but you put him in the middle of car rally. Before

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread John Wilson
On September 23, 2003 01:24 am, Anne Wilson wrote: Thank you for a great exposition of adult learning. Why *should* it be more painful than this? Is it just to protect an elite? Way way back there was a computer priesthood. Computers were these strange things that took up whole floors and

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-23 Thread dlwiggers
On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:17:58 -0700 John Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On September 23, 2003 01:24 am, Anne Wilson wrote: Thank you for a great exposition of adult learning. Why *should* it be more painful than this? Is it just to protect an elite? Way way back there was a

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-22 Thread Heather/Femme
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:30:25 -0700 rikona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello yankl, Whack's Stephen upside the head! oops... Sorry to spoil your rant. :-) -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] LOL nice going Rikona! hehe sorry but thats hilarious!

Re: Re[2]: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-22 Thread Richard Urwin
On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 9:03 pm, rikona wrote: Hello Richard, Sunday, September 21, 2003, 3:03:45 AM, you wrote: RU apropos doesn't work because the man pages call it y. Yep - another part of the problem. M$ help suffers from the same problem, although their overall integration of help is a

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-22 Thread Anne Wilson
On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 9:03 pm, rikona wrote: Yep - another part of the problem. M$ help suffers from the same problem, although their overall integration of help is a step in the right direction. Newbies can describe the question in 'natural language', which is unfortunately not the language

Re: Re[2]: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-22 Thread Aron Smith
On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 22:57, rikona wrote: Hello yankl, Sunday, September 21, 2003, 5:36:27 PM, you wrote: y hence the end of my e-mail man -k. Have any one done their home y work? Yes, but it was not very helpful, as I mentioned. y By typing #man -k lilo one can see what command it

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-22 Thread ed tharp
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 02:41, Heather/Femme wrote: On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:30:25 -0700 rikona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello yankl, Whack's Stephen upside the head! oops... Sorry to spoil your rant. :-) -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Re[2]: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-22 Thread ed tharp
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 03:47, Aron Smith wrote: On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 22:57, rikona wrote: Hello yankl, Sunday, September 21, 2003, 5:36:27 PM, you wrote: y hence the end of my e-mail man -k. Have any one done their home y work? Yes, but it was not very helpful, as I mentioned.

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-22 Thread Lee Wiggers
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:31:31 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 9:03 pm, rikona wrote: Yep - another part of the problem. M$ help suffers from the same problem, although their overall integration of help is a step in the right direction. Newbies can describe

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-22 Thread ed tharp
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 02:31, Charlie M. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 21, 2003 11:57 pm, rikona wrote: Hello yankl, y hence the end of my e-mail man -k. Have any one done their home y work? Yes, but it was not very helpful, as I mentioned. y By

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-22 Thread Heather/Femme
On 22 Sep 2003 06:41:39 -0400 ed tharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snips... eds parts :) LOL nice going Rikona! hehe sorry but thats hilarious! FemmesAnAxeMurderer O... No, she doesn't have a very strange sense of humor,,, no,,, nothing like that,,, But I like it ET

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-22 Thread yankl
On Monday 22 September 2003 07:51 pm, Heather/Femme wrote: On 22 Sep 2003 06:41:39 -0400 I think my point was not taken properly. I am sorry it probably my English (it not even my second language more like fourth). My point was that people should make a research first and then try to ask

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-22 Thread yankl
On Monday 22 September 2003 09:19 pm, Charlie M. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 22, 2003 06:51 pm, yankl wrote: On Monday 22 September 2003 07:51 pm, Heather/Femme wrote: On 22 Sep 2003 06:41:39 -0400 I think my point was not taken properly. I am sorry

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-22 Thread Charlie M.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 22, 2003 08:40 pm, yankl wrote: [..] Thanks for correcting me, it is rant. The spell check some time can be an evil creature. I was having a bit of fun Yankl. kidding The use of the word seemed possibly appropriate given that line in

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-22 Thread yankl
On Monday 22 September 2003 11:47 pm, Charlie M. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 22, 2003 08:40 pm, yankl wrote: [..] Thanks for correcting me, it is rant. The spell check some time can be an evil creature. I was having a bit of fun Yankl. kidding The

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-21 Thread Anne Wilson
On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 3:53 am, yankl wrote: On Saturday 20 September 2003 10:39 pm, HaywireMac wrote: On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 22:31:14 -0400 yankl [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: whack ROTFLMAO! Ok, back to reality, you just wasted 5 minutes of your life you will never get back... ;-)

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-21 Thread Richard Urwin
On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 8:49 am, Anne Wilson wrote: Yank, man pages are great once you have a bit of experience under the belt. For a true newbie, many ar totally inpenetrable. Agreed, but I'm not a newbie and IME, man pages are almost useless for how do I do x. apropos doesn't work because the

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-21 Thread Aron Smith
On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 06:00, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 21 September 2003 03:49 am, Anne Wilson wrote: Yank, man pages are great once you have a bit of experience under the belt. For a true newbie, many ar totally inpenetrable. Anne Exactly. What was it that somebody said once?

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-21 Thread Richard Urwin
On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 3:22 pm, Aron Smith wrote: ** The one thing that Programmers are NOT good at is Documentation. That's why Tech Writers exist (unfortunately the good ones find out that writing Science Fiction pays better :-( ). As a programmer: Documenting a program is a good and

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-21 Thread David Filion
Richard Urwin wrote: On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 3:22 pm, Aron Smith wrote: ** The one thing that Programmers are NOT good at is Documentation. That's why Tech Writers exist (unfortunately the good ones find out that writing Science Fiction pays better :-( ). As a programmer: Documenting a program

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-21 Thread Anne Wilson
On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 7:37 pm, David Filion wrote: Richard Urwin wrote: On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 3:22 pm, Aron Smith wrote: ** The one thing that Programmers are NOT good at is Documentation. That's why Tech Writers exist (unfortunately the good ones find out that writing Science Fiction pays

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-21 Thread David Filion
Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 7:37 pm, David Filion wrote: Richard Urwin wrote: On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 3:22 pm, Aron Smith wrote: ** The one thing that Programmers are NOT good at is Documentation. That's why Tech Writers exist (unfortunately the good ones find out that writing

Re[2]: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-21 Thread rikona
Hello Richard, Sunday, September 21, 2003, 3:03:45 AM, you wrote: RU On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 8:49 am, Anne Wilson wrote: Yank, man pages are great once you have a bit of experience under the belt. For a true newbie, many ar totally inpenetrable. RU Agreed, but I'm not a newbie and IME, man

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-21 Thread Heather/Femme
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 22:39:22 -0400 HaywireMac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 22:31:14 -0400 yankl [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: whack ROTFLMAO! Ok, back to reality, you just wasted 5 minutes of your life you will never get back... ;-) -- HaywireMac Agreed. Plus Man

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-21 Thread yankl
On Sunday 21 September 2003 06:03 am, Richard Urwin wrote: On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 8:49 am, Anne Wilson wrote: Yank, man pages are great once you have a bit of experience under the belt. For a true newbie, many ar totally inpenetrable. Agreed, but I'm not a newbie and IME, man pages are

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-21 Thread Heather/Femme
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 20:36:27 -0400 yankl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 21 September 2003 06:03 am, Richard Urwin wrote: On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 8:49 am, Anne Wilson wrote: Yank, man pages are great once you have a bit of experience under the belt. For a true newbie, many ar totally

[newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-20 Thread yankl
A lot of the questions posted in this group could be avoided if people would read man pages. And yes I understand that it is mostly newbies group. This is why I like to tell people how to use man pages. Man page, from word man(uale). From command prompt type word man followed by command you

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-20 Thread HaywireMac
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 22:31:14 -0400 yankl [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: whack ROTFLMAO! Ok, back to reality, you just wasted 5 minutes of your life you will never get back... ;-) -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++

Re: [newbie] Rant: The man pages

2003-09-20 Thread yankl
On Saturday 20 September 2003 10:39 pm, HaywireMac wrote: On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 22:31:14 -0400 yankl [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: whack ROTFLMAO! Ok, back to reality, you just wasted 5 minutes of your life you will never get back... ;-) I donate this 5 minutes to the FSF/OSS foundation. --