Re: [Paraview] Filter suddenly stopped working "did not create output for port 0"

2017-12-08 Thread Chris Marsh
On MacOS. I had an old paraview in my path that I removed prior to this. Perhaps that was it...changed too much now On 8 December 2017 at 07:38, Utkarsh Ayachit wrote: > > I had previously configured paraview with ccmake and set build type to > > Release and

Re: [Paraview] Filter suddenly stopped working "did not create output for port 0"

2017-12-08 Thread Utkarsh Ayachit
> I had previously configured paraview with ccmake and set build type to > Release and enabled Python. > Any idea how that may impact this? Not entirely sure how, unless some incorrect libraries are getting loaded. Are you on Windows? Is your PATH sane? Utkarsh

Re: [Paraview] Filter suddenly stopped working "did not create output for port 0"

2017-12-07 Thread Chris Marsh
OK I have it working on my end. I had previously configured paraview with ccmake and set build type to Release and enabled Python. Any idea how that may impact this? Chris Marsh PhD Candidate chrismarsh.ca 121 Research Drive University of Saskatchewan On 7 December 2017 at 13:41, Chris Marsh

Re: [Paraview] Filter suddenly stopped working "did not create output for port 0"

2017-12-07 Thread Chris Marsh
Hi, Thanks for trying this. Good call on the removal of the extra CMake stuff. It was there because I started this filter before I knew about things like setting ParaView_DIR and forgot to update this! Interesting that works for you. I just rebuilt with the change to use ParaView_DIR (on the off

[Paraview] Filter suddenly stopped working "did not create output for port 0"

2017-12-05 Thread Chris Marsh
Hi, I have a filter that decodes a posix string from a pvd file into a datetime format. This has worked well, however with the newest paraview I get the error ERROR: In ParaView-v5.4.1/VTK/Common/ExecutionModel/vtkDemandDrivenPipeline.cxx, line 672 vtkPVCompositeDataPipeline (0x60c0001ad9e0):

Re: [Paraview] Filter for deformation

2017-11-23 Thread Li, Teng
, November 23, 2017 8:20 AM To: paraview@paraview.org Subject: Re: [Paraview] Filter for deformation Teng-- In my experience, using the WARP filter with a scale value of 1.0 on the displacement vector will give the actual distorted mesh at the time step, or load step being examined by ParaView. If you

Re: [Paraview] Filter for deformation

2017-11-23 Thread Samuel Key
Teng-- In my experience, using the WARP filter with a scale value of 1.0 on the displacement vector will give the actual distorted mesh at the time step, or load step being examined by ParaView. If you are seeing "mesh overlaps" with the WARP filter as described above, then it is likely one

[Paraview] Filter for deformation

2017-11-22 Thread Li, Teng
Hi all, Can anyone tell me how to see the deformed shape? Right now, I can use wrap filter to magnify the displacement. But if I the magnified factor is too small, I can't see the small deformation. However, if I use much a bigger factor, the deformation will be too big that the mesh elements

Re: [Paraview] Monitoring the progress of a paraview filter

2017-07-25 Thread Utkarsh Ayachit
gt; I am trying to monitor the progress of a paraview filter (contour) > on rather large data, so that I could predict when it will finish. > Is there a recommended way to do this? I am running using > 42 paraview servers and I cannot find an easy way of estimating > the filter percent of prog

[Paraview] Monitoring the progress of a paraview filter

2017-07-24 Thread Hennessey, Joseph G CTR USARMY RDECOM ARL (US)
Hello, I am trying to monitor the progress of a paraview filter (contour) on rather large data, so that I could predict when it will finish. Is there a recommended way to do this? I am running using 42 paraview servers and I cannot find an easy way of estimating the filter percent of progress

Re: [Paraview] Filter MaterialInterfaceFilter

2017-06-29 Thread Cory Quammen
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 10:46 AM, José Luis López López wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > I have a set of data: > > DATASET STRUCTURED_POINTS > > and I want to use the MaterialInterfaceFilter to measure the center of mass > of some isovolume inside my dataset. Is it

[Paraview] Filter MaterialInterfaceFilter

2017-06-13 Thread José Luis López López
Dear colleagues, I have a set of data: DATASET STRUCTURED_POINTS and I want to use the MaterialInterfaceFilter to measure the center of mass of some isovolume inside my dataset. According to the ParaView website the filter MaterialInterfaceFilter can measure the center of mass. However. its

[Paraview] Filter guidelines and Frequent pitfalls

2017-04-13 Thread Jonathan Borduas
Hi to all paraviewers My team is creating custom filters inside paraview (c++ and python). We recently discovered that it's really not a good idea to use paraview.simple inside a filter (a developper was updating the panel of the filter with paraview.simple.setproperties, creating weird

Re: [Paraview] Filter for interactive spreadsheet?

2017-01-17 Thread Andy Bauer
Hi Cornelis, I'm confused a bit. With PV 5.2 when I do Extract Selection with preserve topology on I only get the vtkInsidedness array out from that -- do you also get your other field arrays? I had to use the Append Attributes filter to get all of the arrays back into a single filter output.

Re: [Paraview] Filter for interactive spreadsheet?

2017-01-17 Thread Cornelis Bockemühl
Once again: I just see that I received more information than just the assertion error: "" Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 4, in File "D:\Users\cbockenm\Documents\BTest\ParaView\OwnBinaries\ParaView 5.1.2\lib\site-packages\paraview\calculator.py", line 122, in execute

Re: [Paraview] Filter for interactive spreadsheet?

2017-01-17 Thread Andy Bauer
Hi Cornelis, How would you like to select the single or group of values to change? Also, how would you like to change them (e.g. the same transformation for each or each with its own transformation)? These two questions are meant to guide you to do what you want in ParaView. You probably want to

Re: [Paraview] Filter for interactive spreadsheet?

2017-01-16 Thread Cornelis Bockemühl
Dear Andy, Thanks for this hint: Indeed I was not fully aware of the way how you can easily add new calculated columns with these two filters! What they do is some kind of "vector math", resulting in a new vector that is appended to the input data set. However my question went in the direction

[Paraview] Filter for interactive spreadsheet?

2017-01-16 Thread Cornelis Bockemühl
Has somebody already written and contributed a filter that allows some simple "spreadsheet like" user manipulation of the data? I mean something that accepts some data input, then allows user changes, and the output would be the changed data set. Regards, Cornelis -- Cornelis Bockemühl Basel,

Re: [Paraview] Filter with variable outputs as plugin

2016-12-05 Thread Joachim Pouderoux
2016 14:35 > *An:* Lodron, Gerald > *Cc:* Paraview User (paraview@paraview.org) > *Betreff:* Re: [Paraview] Filter with variable outputs as plugin > > > > Hi Gerald, > > To give a name to the different ports of your filter in ParaView, you need > to add some "O

Re: [Paraview] Filter with variable outputs as plugin

2016-12-05 Thread Lodron, Gerald
with 2 vtkPolyDatas with those strings, is that possible? Von: Joachim Pouderoux [mailto:joachim.pouder...@kitware.com] Gesendet: Montag, 05. Dezember 2016 14:35 An: Lodron, Gerald Cc: Paraview User (paraview@paraview.org) Betreff: Re: [Paraview] Filter with variable outputs as plugin Hi Gerald

Re: [Paraview] Filter with variable outputs as plugin

2016-12-05 Thread Joachim Pouderoux
Hi Gerald, To give a name to the different ports of your filter in ParaView, you need to add some "OutputPort" hints to the definition of your filter's proxy. ... ... Best, Joachim *Joachim Pouderoux*, PhD *Technical Expert - Scientific Computing Team* *Kitware SAS

[Paraview] Filter with variable outputs as plugin

2016-12-04 Thread Lodron, Gerald
Hi I am programming a vtk Polydata source on my own. The source is reading a proprietary file which consists of very simple 0 to N polygonal objects with a string identifier. My question is: Where do I specify the number of outputs (RequestInformation?) and where can I tell paraview the string

Re: [Paraview] Filter cell type from PolyData VTK file

2015-12-16 Thread David E DeMarle
;paraview@paraview.org> > > Datum: 15.12.2015 23:47 > > Předmět: Re: [Paraview] Filter cell type from PolyData VTK file > > > >Victor, > > > > > > > >Off the top of my head, I can think of three different ways to do this: > > > > > > >

Re: [Paraview] Filter cell type from PolyData VTK file

2015-12-16 Thread Viktor Sip
__ > Od: Samuel Key <samuel...@bresnan.net> > Komu: <paraview@paraview.org> > Datum: 15.12.2015 23:47 > Předmět: Re: [Paraview] Filter cell type from PolyData VTK file > >Victor, > > > >Off the top of my

Re: [Paraview] Filter cell type from PolyData VTK file

2015-12-15 Thread Utkarsh Ayachit
Nothing that I am aware of. You could potentially write a filter that coverts the cell type to an cell data attribute and then you could threshold by that -- but that's not much different than what you're already doing. Utkarsh On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Viktor Sip

Re: [Paraview] Filter cell type from PolyData VTK file

2015-12-15 Thread Samuel Key
Victor, Off the top of my head, I can think of three different ways to do this: (1) Put each cell-type in a separate *.vtp file. You can then load each cell-type separately or you can load them with a *.pvd meta-file (sample attached) as "one

[Paraview] Filter cell type from PolyData VTK file

2015-12-15 Thread Viktor Sip
Dear all, is there a way to filter and show only a specific cell type? In my application I am exporting a PolyData VTK file containing some Polys and Lines. When imported into Paraview, both Polys and Lines are shown, and I did not find a simple way to show only Polys. What I can do is to

[Paraview] Filter - choose from multiple input

2015-07-15 Thread Jakub Benda
Hello all,   I'd like to create a custom filter that accepts arbitrary number of input connections (using InputProperty with multiple_input=1) and fills a CompositeTreeDomain widget (or similar) with those objects, so that the user can select a subset of inputs to work with. How can this be

[Paraview] Filter the array list in

2014-12-01 Thread Maxim Glibin
How should I filter the array list from xml? I have the following: StringVectorProperty name=SelectInputScalars label=Array command=SetInputArrayToProcess number_of_elements=5

[Paraview] Filter to keep points, dropping topology

2014-10-22 Thread B.W.H. van Beest
Hello, I need a filter that only keeps the 3D points of a certain source (e.g. coming from an stl file). The topology of the data set may go. I thought that the following filter, only passing through the pointdata, would do the job, but that appears not to be the case (no points after the

Re: [Paraview] Filter to keep points, dropping topology

2014-10-22 Thread Biddiscombe, John A.
Output-SetPoints(input-GetPoints()); Or Output-CopyStructure(input); Output-SetCells(NULL) Then copy point field data etc On 22/10/14 16:19, B.W.H. van Beest b...@xs4all.nl wrote: Hello, I need a filter that only keeps the 3D points of a certain source (e.g. coming from an stl file). The

Re: [Paraview] Filter to keep points, dropping topology

2014-10-22 Thread Burlen Loring
don't forget to add vertex type cells, or you will not be able to see the points, and that it's going to be more complicated if you're starting from data types that have implicit points. On 10/22/2014 07:52 AM, Biddiscombe, John A. wrote: Output-SetPoints(input-GetPoints()); Or

Re: [Paraview] Filter to keep points, dropping topology

2014-10-22 Thread B.W.H. van Beest
The compiler tells me: error: ‘class vtkDataSet’ has no member named ‘SetPoints’ Likewise, SetCells() is also not a member function of vtkDataSet. Indeed, according to the doc, there is no such function. Any idea? On 10/22/2014 04:52 PM, Biddiscombe, John A. wrote:

Re: [Paraview] Filter to keep points, dropping topology

2014-10-22 Thread B.W.H. van Beest
Are you saying that one cannot have just points? In my case, I want to snap the points to a structured grid, but haven't done that yet, as I wanted to see the points first, and do the snapping as a next step. So that is not a good idea? I need to do it all in one go? Regards, Bertwim On

Re: [Paraview] Filter to keep points, dropping topology

2014-10-22 Thread Biddiscombe, John A.
SetPoints is present in vtkDataSets that are subclasses of vtkPointSet You said you didn’t want any topology, so I didn’t think you wanted vertex cells. vtkSmartPointervtkCellArray vertices = vtkSmartPointervtkCellArray::New(); vtkIdType *cells = vertices-WritePointer(Nt, 2*Nt); for

Re: [Paraview] Filter to keep points, dropping topology

2014-10-22 Thread Burlen Loring
you can have just points, they'll be ignored during rendering without vertex type cells. On 10/22/2014 08:15 AM, B.W.H. van Beest wrote: Are you saying that one cannot have just points? In my case, I want to snap the points to a structured grid, but haven't done that yet, as I wanted to see

Re: [Paraview] Filter to keep points, dropping topology

2014-10-22 Thread B.W.H. van Beest
Ah, I found it. It is the other way around: vtkPointSet is a subclass of vtkDataSet. The former has SetPoints, the latter has not. So I subclassed my filter class from vtkPointSet instead of vtkDataSet, and it now it works. Thanks. Bertwim Kind Regards, Bertwim On 10/22/2014 05:32 PM,

[Paraview] filter to use for data analysis in ParaView (UNCLASSIFIED)

2014-07-16 Thread Su, Simon M CTR USARMY ARL (US)
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE Hello, I am trying to do some data analysis in ParaView. The simulation data shows the deformation of a surface. What pipeline can I use to find out the distance of the deformed surface from its original mesh? Can it be done with filters like Plot Over

Re: [Paraview] filter to read in 3D cell data

2013-03-26 Thread Felipe Bordeu
Hi, I use xdmf to wrap the binary data. (spacing, offset, size, ...) for example Engine.xmdf: ?xml version=1.0 ? !DOCTYPE Xdmf SYSTEM Xdmf.dtd [] Xdmf Version=2.0 Domain Grid Name=mesh GridType=Uniform Topology TopologyType=3DCORECTMESH NumberOfElements=128 256 256/ Geometry

[Paraview] filter to read in 3D cell data

2013-03-25 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
My data is a large 3D array of integers (cells). What is the best reader for it? The ImageReader seems ideal, but doesn't work for me with pvbatch (bug 13953). The CSV reader is only 1D. Other readers seems awfully complex for my simple format. Please advise Thanks Anton

[Paraview] Filter open a new view

2012-09-28 Thread the lily
Hi everyone I have a data that i want to apply a filter on When I click apply a new view opens containing the filter only I would like the filter to appear on the same view How can i fix that ? Thanks Sent from my iPhone ___ Powered by

[Paraview] Trouble with information_only GUI property in paraview filter

2012-06-08 Thread Alex Rattner
Hello, I have been developing a feature tracking filter plug-in for paraview for a couple weeks. I am currently trying to improve the plug-in GUI, but ran into an issue. I want the plug-in to return some basic information to the user in the GUI, so I added a property to the server xml file

Re: [Paraview] Trouble with information_only GUI property in paraview filter

2012-06-08 Thread Alex Rattner
Hi Yumin, Thank you for the response. I tried this and still no luck, the property still won't appear. For reference, my new xml was IntVectorProperty name=NumberOfFeatures label=Num Features command=GetNumFeatures number_of_elements=1 default_values=0 information_only=1

Re: [Paraview] Trouble with information_only GUI property in paraview filter

2012-06-08 Thread Yumin Yuan
Hi Alex, If you can debug into pqNamedWidgets::createWidgets(), and see where and why this property is being skipped, it will help to narrow down the problem, especially around this piece of logic (starting with line 892). // skip information properties

Re: [Paraview] Trouble with information_only GUI property in paraview filter

2012-06-08 Thread Alex Rattner
Hi Yumin, Thank you for the suggestion. I debugged into pqNamedWidgets, and found that my property was being excluded from the propertiesToShow list, even with the show=1 setting. When I manually switched it in the debugger, the property showed up and worked correctly. The issue seems to go

Re: [Paraview] Trouble with information_only GUI property in paraview filter

2012-06-08 Thread Alex Rattner
Hi all, I was eventually able to work out this display issue. The show command has to be set as a separate hint in the source proxy, like so: IntVectorProperty name=NumberOfFeatures label=Num Features command=GetNumFeatures number_of_elements=1 default_values=0

Re: [Paraview] Trouble with information_only GUI property in paraview filter

2012-06-08 Thread Yumin Yuan
Nice job, Alex. I just found out that this hints behavior is actually documented here: http://paraview.org/Wiki/ServerManager_XML_Hints Yumin On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Alex Rattner alex.ratt...@gatech.edu wrote: Hi all, I was eventually able to work out this display issue. The show

[Paraview] Filter time step range

2011-07-13 Thread Florian Lindner
Hello, is it possible to limit the range of time steps paraview is working on? For example a filter that narrows the range from time step 100 to 1000 and all subsequent filters will just see and operate on this time range? Thanks, Florian ___

Re: [Paraview] Filter pulldown menu grayed out

2010-01-12 Thread Berk Geveci
We are going to use Qt 4.6 for the ParaView 3.8 release so I recommend that everyone building cvs use that (despite the warning about it not being officially supported). Please let us know if you can reproduce this with Qt 4.6. -berk On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Eric E. Monson

Re: [Paraview] Filter pulldown menu grayed out

2010-01-12 Thread Michael Jackson
Just another data point: OS X 10.5.8 Intel. Qt 4.5.3 built for i386 and x86_64 (Cocoa) ParaView 3.6.2 Release source downloaded and built with i386 Arch. Grayed out filter after loading a data set (.vti file in my case). I guess I too will try Qt 4.6.0 and see what happens.

Re: [Paraview] Filter pulldown menu grayed out

2010-01-09 Thread Eric E. Monson
Hey Erik, I recently ran into this problem, too. I was building CVS ParaView for both i386 and x86_64 using Qt 4.5.3 built for both of those architectures, too, and using Cocoa. The problem went away when I switched to Qt 4.6.0 built for only x86_64 (Cocoa) and built ParaView for that

[Paraview] Filter input types

2009-12-11 Thread Fred Fred
I wrote a filter inherited from vtkPolyDataAlgorithm. As far as I have understood, such a filter is supposed to produce a vtkPolyData but may use any kind of dataset as input. The problem is I get an error because my input is an ImageData set while a PolyData is expected. Any idea of what I

Re: [Paraview] Filter input types

2009-12-11 Thread Jérôme
Hi Fred, Quoting from the vtkPolyDataAlgorithm doc: This class also provides a FillInputPortInfo method that by default says that all inputs will be PolyData. If that isn't the case then please override this method in your subclass. You will find a lot of VTK classes that override the

Re: [Paraview] Filter Plugin w/ multiple connections

2009-05-06 Thread Moreland, Kenneth
There are two parts to making this work. The first part is supporting multiple ports and/or connections in the filter itself. To set the number of input ports, you call this-SetNumberOfInputPorts() in the filter's constructor. To set the number of connections allowed on each port, you

Re: [Paraview] Filter Plugin w/ multiple connections

2009-05-06 Thread David Fuentes
Thanks alot Ken, When you highlight multiple datasets for input into a filter, is that multiple ports or multiple connections on one port ? On Wed, 6 May 2009, Moreland, Kenneth wrote: There are two parts to making this work. The first part is supporting multiple ports and/or

Re: [Paraview] Filter Plugin w/ multiple connections

2009-05-06 Thread Robert Maynard
I am pretty sure that is multiple connections on a single port. On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 3:59 PM, David Fuentes fuente...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks alot Ken, When you highlight multiple datasets for input into a filter, is that multiple ports or multiple connections on one port ? On

Re: [Paraview] Filter Plugin in Client/Server ParaView

2009-02-09 Thread Moreland, Kenneth
March rafaelmar...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I've finished recently to program a ParaView filter. I developed it under windows, and now I want to run it in a distributed environment: a client running in a windows machine, and a server running in a SGI Cluster. I thought it should work, 'cause i've

Re: [Paraview] Filter that acts only on selected nodes

2009-01-08 Thread Utkarsh Ayachit
Look at vtkExtractSelection. Similar to that, you'll have to create a 2 input filter whose one input is a vtkSelection with other is the data object to be selected. On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Rafael March rafaelmar...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey all, I want to program a filter - an algorithm -

[Paraview] filter with multiple input

2008-11-23 Thread Natalie Happenhofer
Hi! I´m trying to write a filter with multiple input. Just for trying out, I want to add the scalar attribute data of two datasets (both should have the same structure) and have as an output one dataset with the same structure and the the added scalar data of the two input datasets. The

Re: [Paraview] filter for xdmf-file

2008-11-20 Thread David E DeMarle
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Natalie Happenhofer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Since I´m working now with xdmf-files I need to make my filter work with it too ;-) I have noticed that a few filters which using vtk-functions work with the xdmf file as well, so I started off making my filter

Re: [Paraview] Filter driven from two inputs

2008-10-15 Thread Robert Maynard
You can set the number of inputs to a filter in the constructor. Like this: this-SetNumberOfInputPorts ( 2 ); Than in the RequestData you will have to do something like this: vtkInformation *inInfo = inputVector[0]-GetInformationObject ( 0 ); vtkInformation *sourceInfo =

Re: [Paraview] filter crashing when applied to a time series

2008-10-09 Thread Dominik Szczerba
I would first make sure my filter works as a regular vtk method before using it with PV. There is a lot of possible errors to make. You have to say more before somebody can possibly help. How do you write your plugin? Do you derive from Algorithm classes? Dominik On Thursday 09 October 2008

Re: [Paraview] Filter with Personalized Properties tab

2008-09-22 Thread Rafael March
of the ObjectPanel and The UnstructuredGrid displayed in the screen; if I choose the QT programming solution ? Thanks again ! Rafael March.   --- On Fri, 9/19/08, Samuel Crow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Samuel Crow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Paraview] Filter with Personalized Properties tab

Re: [Paraview] Filter with Personalized Properties tab

2008-09-22 Thread Moreland, Kenneth
: [Paraview] Filter with Personalized Properties tab To: paraview@paraview.org Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 6:39 PM Ok, thanks a lot, Kenneth ! One problem at a time ! :) I've managed to add some QT Widgets in the properties tab by extending the pqAutoGeneratedObjectPanel. Now, how

Re: [Paraview] Filter with Personalized Properties tab

2008-09-19 Thread Rafael March
I really connect my filter with the ObjectPanel ? Thanks again ! Rafael March. --- On Thu, 9/18/08, Moreland, Kenneth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Moreland, Kenneth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Paraview] Filter with Personalized Properties tab To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED

[Paraview] Filter with Personalized Properties tab

2008-09-18 Thread Rafael March
Hey all, I have my own filter running well in Paraview. I would like to extend it to enable adding  scalar or vector properties, as well as changing existing data of nodes and cells. I would like to implement this feature through a customized GUI, like buttons, combo boxes and so on in the

[Paraview] filter as plugin

2008-09-17 Thread Natalie Happenhofer
Hi! I want to add my new filter as a plugin to paraview so I can debug it and do not need to build paraview new when I change something in the source. I did the following: I placed my source code vktHorizontalAverage.h, vtkHorizontalAverage.cxx in the directory

Re: [Paraview] filter as plugin

2008-09-17 Thread Mike Jackson
Did you use the Tools menu to load your plugin using the Manage Plugins menu item? _ | Mike Jackson - Principal Software Engineer | | BlueQuartz Software | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |

[Paraview] filter

2008-09-16 Thread Natalie Happenhofer
Hi! I´m still encountering problems with my filter, it does compile and link neatly with paraview, but at runtime an error occurs which causes paraview to shut down. I´m pretty sure that the problem is how I define the output, that this is not done correctly. Lastly, I commented just the

Re: [Paraview] filter

2008-09-16 Thread Mike Jackson
what line of code is the access violation occurring at? _ | Mike Jackson - Principal Software Engineer | | BlueQuartz Software | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | www.bluequartz.net

Re: [Paraview] filter

2008-09-16 Thread Moreland, Kenneth
It might help if you ran your code in a debugger and found out exactly where the error occurred. I think the for loops are wrong. The conditions should be , not =. You might be mixing up dimension lengths and extent values. -Ken On 9/16/08 11:08 AM, Natalie Happenhofer [EMAIL PROTECTED]