Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-05-05 Thread sumaiya qureshi
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[sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-05-03 Thread Thierry
Hi, Le Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 10:43:35AM +0100, Dima Pasechnik a écrit : > Thanks, it's now https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/35571 Could this straightforward ticket be set to blocker and reviewed for the next official release ? Ciao, Thierry > > On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 10:32 AM Thierry >

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-28 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On Thu, 2023-04-27 at 12:37 -0700, Matthias Koeppe wrote: > A problem only arises when you try to build a bleeding-edge sage on an older > stable distro -- an undertaking unsupported by most projects. > > Is it? I would say that Sage is very special in this regard because of its > extreme

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-27 Thread Matthias Koeppe
On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 3:59:22 AM UTC-7 Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 2023-04-26 19:59:01, Matthias Koeppe wrote: > Just as a data point, eliminating the spkg and only supporting system PARI > 2.15.x would have the effect to eliminate support of: > - all versions of Ubuntu except for

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-27 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On Thu, 2023-04-27 at 08:38 -0700, Nils Bruin wrote: > > But another problem before was that the different packages would not > develop in lockstep. Some components might need one specific version of > prerequisites and others another. So one could run into genuine version > conflicts. In

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-27 Thread Nils Bruin
On Thursday, 27 April 2023 at 03:59:22 UTC-7 Michael Orlitzky wrote: It's not the end of the world if users on a distro with old dependencies have to stick to an older version of sage. Ideally, they would be getting sage from their distro in the first place. A problem only arises when you try

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-27 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 2023-04-26 19:59:01, Matthias Koeppe wrote: > On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 7:37:17 PM UTC-7 Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > Just as a data point, eliminating the spkg and only supporting system PARI > 2.15.x would have the effect to eliminate support of: > - all versions of Ubuntu except for

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread Matthias Koeppe
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 8:40:08 PM UTC-7 William Stein wrote: On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 7:59 PM Matthias Koeppe wrote: Just as a data point, eliminating the spkg and only supporting system PARI 2.15.x would have the effect to eliminate support of: - all versions of Ubuntu except for

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 7:59 PM Matthias Koeppe wrote: > On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 7:37:17 PM UTC-7 Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > On 2023-04-26 18:38:32, Matthias Koeppe wrote: > > Michael, do you happen to have a suggestion what version range of PARI > the > > Sage library should be

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread Matthias Koeppe
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 7:37:17 PM UTC-7 Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 2023-04-26 18:38:32, Matthias Koeppe wrote: > Michael, do you happen to have a suggestion what version range of PARI the > Sage library should be supporting? PARI doesn't strictly follow semver, so whatever I say

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 2023-04-26 18:38:32, Matthias Koeppe wrote: > Michael, do you happen to have a suggestion what version range of PARI the > Sage library should be supporting? PARI doesn't strictly follow semver, so whatever I say here, PARI will eventually make a fool of me. Still, I think a fair goal is to

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread Matthias Koeppe
Michael, do you happen to have a suggestion what version range of PARI the Sage library should be supporting? On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 4:18:29 PM UTC-7 Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On Wed, 2023-04-26 at 13:06 -0700, Matthias Koeppe wrote: > > > > 2. I'm not in favor of chipping away 1

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread Matthias Koeppe
I've reposted this last message in a separate thread. On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 5:05:56 PM UTC-7 Matthias Koeppe wrote: > Thanks, John. But I think it's more productive to ask: > **What was/is/will be the *purpose* of maintaining the Sage distribution?** > (Historically; as of today; and

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread Matthias Koeppe
Thanks, John. But I think it's more productive to ask: **What was/is/will be the *purpose* of maintaining the Sage distribution?** (Historically; as of today; and looking forward by a year or two.) Here are some of my thoughts on this question: 1. Ease of installation. Historically, an

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On Wed, 2023-04-26 at 13:06 -0700, Matthias Koeppe wrote: > > 2. I'm not in favor of chipping away 1 package at a time in the name > of unsubstantiated, vague notions that a package is "ballast slowing > down Sage's progress". > There's a ticket open to update PARI within Sage. First, upstream

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread John H Palmieri
In an attempt to make this less of a religious war and more akin to something like a rational discussion: - The status quo is that we include Python3 and gcc. If you want to argue for their removal, you need to provide evidence that this will not cause problems for people on supported

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread Matthias Koeppe
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:46:41 PM UTC-7 Dima Pasechnik wrote: On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 9:06 PM Matthias Koeppe wrote: > 2. I'm not in favor of chipping away 1 package at a time in the name of unsubstantiated, vague notions that a package is "ballast slowing down Sage's progress".

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread Matthias Koeppe
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:46:41 PM UTC-7 Dima Pasechnik wrote: we can barely keep up with security updates for e.g. openssl. It took Thierry to provide a patch today, and me converting it into a PR, else we probably would be still shipping openssl version with severe CVEs. You know

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread Matthias Koeppe
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:46:41 PM UTC-7 Dima Pasechnik wrote: On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 9:06 PM Matthias Koeppe wrote: > My 2023 summary of the situation: > > 1. I would be in favor of abandoning the Sage distribution (despite the fact that I have certainly put a lot of time and

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 9:06 PM Matthias Koeppe wrote: > > On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 12:33:13 PM UTC-7 William Stein wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 12:27 PM David Roe wrote: > > I do think it would be valuable for other people on this list to offer some > > thoughts on whether Sage

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread Jaap Spies
Dima, The word "G..v..d...e" is the worst curse in the Dutch language. The first three letters needs no translation. The rest translates to 'damn'. You shouldn't use it lightly. Jaap Op wo 26 apr. 2023 21:20 schreef Dima Pasechnik : > On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 8:18 PM Matthias Koeppe > wrote: >

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread Matthias Koeppe
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 12:33:13 PM UTC-7 William Stein wrote: On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 12:27 PM David Roe wrote: > I do think it would be valuable for other people on this list to offer some thoughts on whether Sage should prioritize reducing the number of foundational packages we

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 12:27 PM David Roe wrote: > > I'm sorry to have prompted another flame war, but please keep the tone polite > Dima and Matthias. I know that you're both frustrated at this issue being > unresolved, but it's not appropriate to have a fight like this that goes to > 2570

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread David Roe
I'm sorry to have prompted another flame war, but please keep the tone polite Dima and Matthias. I know that you're both frustrated at this issue being unresolved, but it's not appropriate to have a fight like this that goes to 2570 different people's inboxes, with frequent emails sniping at each

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread William Stein
Hi Everybody, Just a reminder of https://github.com/sagemath/sage/blob/develop/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md In particular, 1. Be friendly and patient. 2. Be welcoming. 3. Be considerate. 4. Be respectful and polite. As a community, we've agreed that these are very reasonable ways to conduct ourselves on

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 8:18 PM Matthias Koeppe wrote: > > On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 12:14:26 PM UTC-7 Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > This discussion happened 2 years ago > > > That's correct, and you have not brought forward any new points. Godverdomme, this was about GFORTRAN!!! WE ARE

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread Matthias Koeppe
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 12:14:26 PM UTC-7 Dima Pasechnik wrote: This discussion happened 2 years ago That's correct, and you have not brought forward any new points. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread Dima Pasechnik
And Mattias, ffs, we are talking about removing *Python*, and you cite a thread on removing *gfortran*. This is a very bad way of conducting a discussion, and it is not the 1st time you do this sort of thing. Please stop. On Wed, 26 Apr 2023, 20:10 Matthias Koeppe, wrote: > On Wednesday, April

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread Dima Pasechnik
This is ludicrous. This discussion happened 2 years ago, and I really think if anyone needs a hand-built Python, they can please themselves with building it. But on macOS in particular the Python supplied by python.org has been doing fine, for years. On Wed, 26 Apr 2023, 20:10 Matthias Koeppe,

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread Matthias Koeppe
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 10:40:27 AM UTC-7 Dima Pasechnik wrote: We should remove python3 spkg, and gcc spkg too, for the same reason. It's a ballast slowing down Sage's progress. This is an unsubstantiated claim that you keep repeating. The last substantial discussion of this proposal

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Wed, 26 Apr 2023, 20:03 Matthias Koeppe, wrote: > On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 10:25:37 AM UTC-7 David Roe wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 6:41 AM Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > PS. I think openssl spkg should just be removed from Sage, it serves > no purpose as far as I can tell. > > > For

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread Matthias Koeppe
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 10:25:37 AM UTC-7 David Roe wrote: On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 6:41 AM Dima Pasechnik wrote: PS. I think openssl spkg should just be removed from Sage, it serves no purpose as far as I can tell. For a long time it was very important for getting a functional Sage on

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 10:40 AM Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > For a long time it was very important for getting a functional Sage on > > MacOS; is that no longer the case? > Sorry, I don't understand. > > Noone I know builds Python (the only package that needs openssl) from source. > For a long

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 6:25 PM David Roe wrote: > > > > On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 6:41 AM Dima Pasechnik wrote: >> >> PS. I think openssl spkg should just be removed from Sage, it serves >> no purpose as far as I can tell. > > > For a long time it was very important for getting a functional Sage

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread David Roe
On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 6:41 AM Dima Pasechnik wrote: > PS. I think openssl spkg should just be removed from Sage, it serves > no purpose as far as I can tell. > For a long time it was very important for getting a functional Sage on MacOS; is that no longer the case? David > > On Wed, Apr 26,

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread Dima Pasechnik
PS. I think openssl spkg should just be removed from Sage, it serves no purpose as far as I can tell. On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 10:32 AM Thierry wrote: > > Hi, > > Sage's current openssl version (3.0.5) hass several "High severity" > vulnerabilities, see

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread Dima Pasechnik
Thanks, it's now https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/35571 On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 10:32 AM Thierry wrote: > > Hi, > > Sage's current openssl version (3.0.5) hass several "High severity" > vulnerabilities, see https://www.openssl.org/news/vulnerabilities.html > > It would be nice to have the

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-release] Sage 10.0.rc0 released

2023-04-26 Thread Thierry
Hi, Sage's current openssl version (3.0.5) hass several "High severity" vulnerabilities, see https://www.openssl.org/news/vulnerabilities.html It would be nice to have the fixes included in the next Sage release. I am not using github, here is a pull request (literally) to fix this : git pull