Oh, and the film in question is on BBC2 tomorrow: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00rkm3y
Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -----Original Message----- From: Robert Taylor Sent: 12 March 2010 14:58 To: Robert Taylor; phonop...@googlemail.com; kent williams Cc: list 313 Subject: (313) Article on Detroit in the UK Guardian I haven't read it yet, but thought people on here would be interested: http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2010/mar/10/detroit-motor-city-urban-decl ine Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -----Original Message----- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:rdtay...@channel4.co.uk] Sent: 12 March 2010 14:56 To: phonop...@googlemail.com; kent williams Cc: list 313 Subject: RE: (313) Croydon Is New Detroit I think the article makes a number of useful comparisons but it wasn't intended to be taken too seriously. I find the various directions dubstep and UK house have taken extremely interesting though. Dubstep was so easily dismissed and pigeonholed as one dimensional and not particularly innovative but it has broadened and diversified in so many surprising directions. Also, many different genres and subgenres in the UK seem to have converged and ended up sounding very similar which I think ought to be noticed. Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -----Original Message----- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:phonop...@googlemail.com] Sent: 11 March 2010 00:35 To: kent williams Cc: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Croydon Is New Detroit On 10/03/2010 22:23, kent williams wrote: > I think the article makes some good points but mostly in the context > of the UK, where musical sub-genres are written about as though they > were stars in their own right. > > The Detroit attitude is, I'd hope, more eclectic, and the musicians I > talk to think more in terms of good or bad than this genre or that > genre. So I can talk with Alan Oldham about Creation Records Shoegazer > bands, and with Shake about Cooly G. The way I read it, he was saying that eclecticism and perpetual reinvention is precisely what makes dubstep (so far) like the early days of Detroit techno - that it is evolving very quickly, pulling in influences from all over the shop and is difficult to pin down. I think that's a fair point. If you listen to a lot of the best dubstep producers' DJ sets you'll find influences from all over the last 25 years and within the various styles of dubstep. Also, I think there's a misperception that it's just kids making this stuff. Untold has been producing since '93 according to this RA article: http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature.aspx?1105 Not that I think the comparison can stretch for miles or that anyone should take it out of context. Ultimately, I'm just getting a bit irritated with people making more out of it than it is or of writing it off altogether. Whether it's to everyone's taste is one thing but I would hope it's evident that this isn't narrow or purely derivative. In my mind it's one of the more interesting things to happen in a long time precisely because it's not as narrow and codified as any of the previous big electronic music trends. It's almost the complete opposite. Tristan ######################################################################## ############# Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@channel4.co.uk Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 ######################################################################## ############# ##################################################################################### Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@channel4.co.uk Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #####################################################################################
