the 'point' is that mahler expresses himself one way, hawtin (for example) another. the fact that hawtin's music is generally more stripped/minimal than mahler's doesn't mean that it's emotional content/expression is more universal/pure. they are both equally universal/pure in my view (it's the self expression that is universal, not the method). i.e. suggesting that mahler can be reduced into more basic components (techno?!) is, in my view, meaningless : his work exists as it is.
in reply to your second point, i think i would agree that generally a musician's/artist's work will spring from a fledgling idea and be built upon into a complete work, but this doesn't mean that this initial idea is the defining vision of the finished work, it's just a starting point. secondly i would be willing to bet that Mozart (don't know about Mahler) _did_ have entire pieces in his head before writing them down. but, there aren't a lot of mozart's around :) h -----Original Message----- From: darw_n [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 December 2000 16:36 To: Williams, Howard; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] err... > minimal techno is an > approach/attempt at expression, as is mahler's 5th: clearly mahler's works > are far more dense, but to suggest that they could be 'distilled' into > something more universal seems to miss the point. and what is the "point"? I am not being retaliatory here, but I am curios. I have heard that so much, but never heard it explained. When ever I talk about art, another artists always seems to chime in, "no way man, that's not the point of art!!!", well, what is this "point", and who made it law? Anyways, to protect my statement, for the fun of it, I am willing to bet the mahler's very first glimpse of his 5th. was only a few notes, in his head, he heard these notes and felt the need to expand on them, I mean surely he didn't have the entire piece already there in his head!!! If we can agree on that, than we can see that 1.) all music starts from a super simple point, 3.) you can strip a song or piece down to reveal its core, this few notes in the artists head... darw_n "create, demonstrate, toneshift..." http://www.mp3.com/stations/clevelandunderground http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com
