here here --- Nick Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For f**ks sake!!!! Why do we have to go over the > same > sh*t again and again week after f**king week???? I > thought we had come to some sort of conclusion but I > realise that non of these "discussions" ever reach a > conclusion and ppl continue dissing and flamming > about > the same old b*ll*cks... > > Who gives a f**k about the colour of the music? I > don't... I don't exclusively listen to detroit > techno > either because I'm not biased and neither are most > ordinary people. You like what you like regardless > of > it's origins unless you're a nazi.... or a > hypocrite... > > Hypocrites seem to make up the bulk of the > subscribers > to this list... No wonder so many heads have > unsubbed... No one wants to find an answer, they > just > wanna moan about the same old sh*t... > > I'm gonna give it 2 months and we'll be back on this > subject again... > > out, > Nick (Dj Pacific:) > > --- christos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I agree. Our music isn't "black" enough. It's > too > > fast, there's no > > > rappin, mackin and pimpin in it, it's not > "urban" > > enough. House is too > > > "gay". I have stopped worrying about it. If I > was > > waiting to get paid > > > from negroes, I'd be living under the overpass > on > > I-75 and Mack. Or > > > living in a refrigerator box like my man > > Jean-Michel Basquiat. > > > > This is something that really bothers me. > Although > > I am white (or > > caucasian, or whatever) , I think that cultural > > diversity and a strong > > black influence are what make Detroits music > excell. > > Think about this- > > how many cheesy trance djs or happy hardcore djs > are > > black? Without the > > black influence, or any cultural influence on > dance > > music, the music > > becomes bland, boring, and lame. > > > > One reason behind this, is that 90% of Americans > > think that "techno" or > > electronic music in general is a European thing. > > The mainstream music > > industry adapts to such a belief and markets thier > > product of dance music > > to a white audience. Its amazing how well this > > works, for even when you > > have an alleged "underground rave scene" which has > > grown nationwide, yet > > still attracts a largely white suburban audience- > > despite the fact that > > the music originated in Black communities, and > > despite the fact that > > "ravers" cling to that stupid, hypocritical slogan > > "PLUR." Market > > segmentation, audience building, and stereotyping > > are very sucessful tools > > used by the media coroporations. > > > > To be able to go agianst the current black > musician > > stereotype is VERY > > difficult. The media has burned in the minds of > > America's youth that > > black culture is all about "chillin in the > ghetto," > > and sex. A lot of > > these racist stereotypes have been around for > > hundreds of years. The > > current "pimp" stereotype of a black man is very > > insulting and dangerous > > as it is reminicent of the old stereotype of black > > men as sexual > > preditors. It was this stereotype that slowed the > > growth of early rock > > and roll, as parents were scared that thier young, > > teenage daughters were > > idolizing Black men. I recall Mos Def once saying > > that in the media, > > whenever you see a white "pimp" they are always > > running legal businesses, > > and they are always referred to as "businessmen" > > with a very professional > > appeareance. Black "pimps" however are always > > fitting the same stereotype, > > and are often linked with sexual violence. > > > > Sorry about this rant, I can go on about this > > forever. It just scares me > > that dance music MIGHT fall down the same path as > > rock, r'n'b, etc. It is > > already heading that way with trance. > > > > -christos > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of > Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
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