i should also add, just to counter myself, that the greatly reduced distribution costs idea might end up being a big lie anyway. it sure was with the switch to CDs. we'll see.

At 7:31 AM -0700 8/15/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
exactly.. you can record to a pristine digital 24/96 environment if you like, and then play that digital recording out. only consideration is file size. so technically finalscratch could sound better than records ever did.

as for independent labels and distribution, a) this won't happen over night - vinyl production isn't going anywhere anytime soon, and b) sooner or later digital music distribution will finally dump its two left feet and figure out a way a safe and efficient way to work. seems so ironic that all the hard to find music we buy is almost exclusively on vinyl, when it started out as a digital master. artists need to be paid for their work, but in what format we receive it shouldn't matter. people seem to have gotten used to CDs just fine... plus, if music got cheaper due to the reduced distribution costs, there's a very good chance people would buy a lot more of it. i know personally there's tons of housier records that i ignore every month because it's just not in the budget. this also has huge implications for all the tiny, regional labels out there around the world that very few people get exposed to.

At 6:53 AM -0700 8/15/01, Kevin Conrad wrote:
Final Scratch can also play wav files, so someone
using FS doesn't necessarily have to worry about the
low quality of MP3's.

Kevin


--- "M. Todd Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 While I agree with what Lauryn has said for the most
 part (because we have
 already seen the effect of Napster on the music
 industry).  We must include
 one more particularily special point.

 MP3 Quality at less than a bit rate of 192 sounds
 shoddy on the extreme low
 end and extreme high end.  MP3 is a compression
 algorithm which lops off the
 signal at the extent of the human hearing range (ie
 20, 000 Hz but most
 codecs lop off around 16, 000), and the sub-extent
 of human hearing (around
 20hz but again most codecs lop off around 100Hz).
 When listening at home
 this isn't so bad since most in home stereo systems
 already reduce extreme
 low-high end by means of a crossover either in the
 speaker itself or
 digitally in the amplifier.  At the club however the
 is no roll off, and
 things like these become more apparent.

 Worse is the fact that despite our inability to hear
 these frequencies, we
 can hear the harmonics that they create with
 frequencies we do hear.
 Moreover even without knowledge the producer of the
 track may have utilized
 those particular harmonics.  With MP3 those will
 never be heard.

 I've heard both MP3's and vinyl on the same system,
 and to be honest unless
 you have a good soundcheck and all your files are
 recorded and EQ'ed
 properly beforehand, your set will sound lackluster.

 MP3's with a bitrate higher than 192 sound great,
 the higher the better, but
 they take up more room.  As we progress into a
 generation where physical
 memory is no longer an issue I'm sure this will
 become more viable.

 Cheers
 todd
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "miss lauryn g" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To: <313@hyperreal.org>
 Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 9:10 AM
 Subject: Re: [313] ANyone know about Finalscratch
 (maybe OT)


 > i think the idea of this technology is fantastic.
 however, what i am
 > wondering is what this is going to do to the
 independent record label
 > industry. use of mp3s right now doesn't currently
 affect them as much as
 > it does the major record labels. but what this is
 going to do is
 > discourage buying vinyl. (at least that is how i
 see it.) all you have to
 > do is basically find a track online or find a
 friend with that record and
 > > rip an mp3. it's going to cause a lot of producers
 > to not make any money.
 > > i wonder how much people are going to start
 > fighting within the dance
 > > music community after this becomes readily
 available. i personally think
 > that final scratch is going to be pretty popular
 > and that after it gets
 > some more attention, it's going to be utilized by
 more and more people,
 > especially after they see that it works so well.
 it's just also a question
 > of people supporting their artists and buying the
 vinyl still. (which
 > is something that i would still be doing if i
 really really wanted a
 > certain track...it would cause a lot less of that
 "ooooh why did i buy
 > THAT?" syndrome that i occasionally get here and
 there if i used final
 > scratch and just had an mp3 of the track.)
 >
 > i dunno...i'm just going to sit back and watch and
 see how people start
 > changing their minds on the mp3 argument when it
 starts affecting THEM.
 >
 > -l
 >
 >
 >

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