i was trying to make the point that if it really is an artistic statement and not a business decision then the artistic statement isn't, in my opionion, compromised. the business side of it is obviously a different ball game.
>> it would be the same as your vase maker making only 5 vases >> and then someone >> piling in with 500 reproductions - in years to come the >> objects that hold >> value (monetary) will be the five originals. >Dunno what your trying to say with this? There are legal laws in the music >industry protecting your artistic creations and giving you the right to >control it. i was making the point that if talking artistically then if the limited press was part of an 'artistic statement' as has been intimated then a bootleg is not stripping this artifact of value. again, the business implications are different. -----Original Message----- From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 April 2003 12:00 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: '313@hyperreal.org' Subject: RE: (313) artists vs. bootlegging > in the instance that you are discussing here the 'piece of > art' is the whole > package, right? a bootlegged copy isn't actually the same artifact so > someone who buys that isn't actually getting the real deal, if indeed > releasing only a few of the actual item is part of the > artistic 'statement'. > this statement isn't compromised by producing a 'fake' > version, the profits > might be though. This is only the case for some record collectors who are looking for that very first original unside out :) Some people just want the music. > it would be the same as your vase maker making only 5 vases > and then someone > piling in with 500 reproductions - in years to come the > objects that hold > value (monetary) will be the five originals. Dunno what your trying to say with this? There are legal laws in the music industry protecting your artistic creations and giving you the right to control it. > Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:22:12 -0500 > To: "::)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > <313@hyperreal.org> > From: "Matthew MacQueen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: artists vs. bootlegging > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > the bootleggers would have a lot less market if the record were = > repressed > > I can't disagree with that logic. BUT... I've been following this = > thread for awhile and a voice I'm not hearing in this debate > (that is = > kind of troubling to me, actually) is the rights of the > ARTIST. Art is = > not necessarily subject to the same demands as say, any old consumer = > product where the goal is to sell as many as possible (say, > toothpaste = > or something). One of the benefits of owning and running > your own label = > (or printshop, for example) is to control the trickle - or > flood - of = > your art into an art-buyers market -- more control over your own = > destiny. You can still keep things limited or special if, as the = > artist, you feel like that is a part of your 'statement' so > to speak, of = > what you have created.=20 > > When a famous potter makes a vase, and they decide to make 5 > of them, = > not 500... it makes that vase unique. You have to think the > artist has = > a reason to only make 5 if that's what they choose. > > Is everyone forgetting that the artist has a right to release > as many or = > as few pieces of art as they feel? Sure there are ramifications of = > releasing few, I'm not denying that: if demand is high > enough and the = > art is scarce, it may get bootlegged. That is a risk. =20 > > But an artist of any medium is certainly never OBLIGED to > fill the needs = > of every consumer! That is the artists right. I have detected this = > slight tone of "well if he just would have pressed up more it > wouldn't = > matter, he deserved it, etc." -- but the reality is sometimes > an artist = > might want LESS of something out there, not more, as part of the = > artistic statement itself. I respect artists who choose to release = > less, not more... even if I can't have a copy myself. But > that doesn't = > necessarily mean I'm going to bootleg it (and profit from it) > if I can't = > find my copy.=20 > > peace, > Matt > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --------------------------------------------------------------
