to me it's like ... i'm sitting here ... and I ain't moving principle ... and yes you have some points
but also the label should be thankfull that ppl buy their records it takes two to tango ... to say it in dutch het bestaan van de 1 bestaat bij de gratie van de ander and now i'll shut up cause I also feel that it's not right what has been done by bootlegging a new release ... that's wrong period and something has to be done about it ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 3:27 AM Subject: Re: (313) artists vs. bootlegging > yep thanks to matt and the others who support artist & label rights! but > really....DUH!! > > >would add is that even though I think it's a tad irresponsible to release > > but wait tristan..."irresponsible" !? labels have ZERO responsiblity, much > less any inherent ability ($ wise or business sense) to maximize > supply/demand or follow some maximum-efficiency capitalist model > bullchit...no offense! it is of no concern to the record collector whether > something gets repressed or not, they have no right to expect it, it's all > on the label/artist to do it..if they do it the collector should be > thankful, period...personally, once something sells out, thats good enough > for me, the fact that it might be going for a bit of $ on gemm and there are > more people out there that want it...i really don't care. its nice to make > more money and reach more people but once you've already succeeded in your > original plan there's no strong compulsion to do it all over again just to > see how far you can go...know what i mean? > > i give a personal example since it is something i know in my own experience > -- there is one dL record in particular, macho cat garage, which is sold out > and our distributor has been pushing us for almost a year now to repress as > there are lots of re-orders etc etc. well, someday we will (probably) but in > the meantime we are spending our money on new releases and paying our > artists. we do try and make money but there is a time and a place and i > swear if somebody bootlegged our chit before we even got a chance to execute > our own plans (afterall, dammit, we own this music!) then minto and i would > get on our brass knuckles and be after some fools!!...we would be soooooo > mad -- there really isnt any rationalizing around how wrong and just illegal > bootlegging something that is still clearly the property of another label > is...even once a label doesnt own music anymore (usually a 5 year term), at > least contact the artist because then it is owned by them again. it's just > completely PUNK (and i dont mean rocknroll) to not even make contact and try > to do things right, not to mention ILLEGAL (ok some laws are stupid but not > laws that protect artists!). no one asks for bootlegging to happen, thats a > crazy and selfish way to look at it. who cares if suckers and record junkies > are dropping all their $$ on overpriced stuff on gemm that you can still > find in shops, or have some email buddy of yours find in one of their local > shops..that's part of being a record collector!!...there are loads and loads > of records out there in demand but out of print, if it is suddenly excusable > to bootleg them just because the labels/artists choose not to....things are > gonna get really nasty...thats gonna kill the appeal of even running an > underground label and putting out music for a lot of label owners and > artists... > > >ultimately a moral (or artistic) issue - and if you don't buy that, it > > actually, really, it's neither -- when it comes down to it, it's a legal > issue!! looking at it as an artistic issue is just being nice. it's much > more black & white than that. copyrights exist for a reason.. > > i do think older records/songs, which have no clear legal ownership anymore > (dead label and or unreachable artists -- making licensing > difficult/impossible), well then thats when bootlegging is strictly a > moral/artistic issue. like these automan records -- altho i wonder if > automan even tried to license any of the songs?...usually licensing is not > even very expensive, it's usually very reasonable and flexible. i do > understand how dj's can get pissed when some rare record they play and have > made "their own" suddenly gets bootlegged and everyone has it...but the dj's > would be just as frustrated if the record was officially re-released so > thats not really a complaint that has much merit.. > > needless to say, i agree with ur and kdj completely...i see no gray area in > this... > > jt > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > >
