On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:15:43 -0000, FC2 Richards wrote: > > Sorry to bust you open on this thread, but last time I > listened to the words > of hey ya it was all about waiting for the right girl. > My wife happens to > think that is the sweetest song on the album just > because of what it is > about. She can look past the whole bitch thing, and I > think most people > can. If you don't like it, you don't have to listen to > it. Just choose > what ever is the lesser of 2 evils. I chose to > continue to listen to > Outkast.
***don't get me wrong, i'm still listening to outkast; coincidentally, my fiance's favorite song on the double album is hey ya, and in my last live set i did sort of a live remix of hey ya/i like the way you move admist some of my own electro. i'm not hatin' on outkast. i wasn't singling out any lyrics in hey ya, i was just talking about outkast's lyrics in general--outkast came up on the list and the lyric thing has always been something i've been aware of when listening to them so i mentioned it (i still remember a negative bit that was said about lesbians in a song they did in the past that featured erykah badu; people would say to me "hey, i'm digging that new outkast song with erkyah badu" and i'd be saying "yes, the music is great, but i wish they didn't have that line in there about lesbians". i can't even remember the song, but negative things like that stick with me. i could say nothing, but i say something because it bothers me. i don't see a need for heterosexual men to talk about lesbians at all, let alone negatively. i know my lesbian friends don't appreciate lyrics like that). anyway, what jumps out at me on first thought is the song on the new album whose last 2 minutes riffs on "bitch...crazy bitch." as you said, i can just not listen to it. i listen to it, just cringe a bit when that bit comes on and let it keep playing. (my fiance, however, skips that song when she plays the album on her own; she says, "damn, i can understand he's mad, but why does he have to say 'bitch' so much in this song? the point was made 20 'bitches' ago!" i agree with her) different strokes for different folks, i suppose; i realize we all have different reactions to what is said in lyrics. as i said below, i like outkast, i just wish they were more positive lyrically about women and sexuality, that's all. (not meaning to drag this thread on and on, just wanted to clarify what i had said--pardon the pun--below) :) that's all from me on outkast's lyrics, i promise :) take care. andrew duke > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 6:22 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: (313) Re: hey ya? > > I'm under the impression that it came out promo-only as > a double A side with "I Like The Way You Move", both as > album cuts, ie no remixes or anything. I'm a huge fan > of Outkast's music but I wish they would talk about > women and sex in a more positive way. I just can't > stand hearing men use the word "bitch" and continue to > be apalled by how many men in hip hop and r n b > continue to talk about lesbians in a negative way ie > either "i'm so much of a man lesbians want me too" > and/or "she doesn't want me so she must be a lesbian". > i still think much can be learned from prince, who > talked about women and sex very very often, but always > positively. Prince seemed to celebrate sexuality for > the sake of it, whereas for Outkast and many hip hop > and r n b acts, sexuality is talked about as a "power" > issue of "men having power over women", which I find > distasteful. Speaking of NERD, Pharrell seems to talk > about women and sex positively. my CDN .02. Andrew Duke out now: Environmental Politics http://and-oar.org Take Nothing For Granted http://acidfake.tk Sprung http://bip-hop.com http://warprecords.com/mart/music/release.php? cat=BLEEP12&fc_type=CD *Canadian electronica album of the year nominee* More Destructive Than Organized http://staalplaat.com Highest Common Denominator http://pieheadrecords.com Physical and Mental Health http://dialrecords.com 74'02 (split with Hypo) http://tsunami-addiction.com Waveforms: Halifax Electronic Music Compilation http://cognitionaudioworks.com
