Right, but some people like chin stroking music. I'm not saying it's better or 
worse, that's up to you. I'm just saying that it IS music, and some people like 
it, and some people actually do FEEL something for music that others find to be 
perversely intellectual. I like quite a bit of dance music, I like chin 
stroking stuff, I have both sides, I just don't try to set up some kind of 
hierarchy of what is best. There's a place for everything.

As far as African American music goes, I would suggest balancing out your view 
by considering what Anthony Braxton calls the "sweating brow" syndrome; the 
idea that if a black musician is making intellectual music, or isn't up there 
sweating on stage, then (s)he isn't "really black". (Just like if they make 
techno, as opposed to RnB or Hip Hop, they aren't really making "black music".)

When I see Surgeon play, he looks very distant and unemotional, but as far as 
I'm concerned, he's about the best techno performer out there, because what 
comes out of the speakers SOUNDS GREAT, and certainly provokes emotion in the 
audience. People went nuts the last two times he played in Chicago! Again, 
performer emotion, and audience emotion = two different things.

As far as the question of whether intellectual music "loses" an audience - I 
don't think this is really a very important issue. Most people who write 
experimental types of music aren't aiming for the biggest possible audience. 
They are writing to express something they need to express, for whatever 
reason, whether it is an idea,  feeling, or just an urge to play around and see 
what happens. To me, lots of supposedly chin stroking music is PLAYFUL and FUN, 
but people just take it (and themselves) too seriously.

I still argue that emotional responses often, or even usually, say more about 
the listener than the music itself. Emotion is a characteristic of HUMAN 
BEINGS, not of sonic waveforms. Only a human listener can experience an 
emotion. Sound waves do not somehow "contain" emotions... 

~David

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Subject: Re: (313) The more things change
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 13:14:01 -0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: David Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

sounds like the difference between dancing and "chin-stroking"

the first group reacts to the music physically while the other reacts to it
intellectually

I still contend that if you get too much of the later you begin to lose
portions of the audience


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~David Powers

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