>no one told you to quit loving the music, but at least admit that after 4-5 >years of having the even lose money, cant we all admit that the scene cant >support it the way we want it?
uh no? i cant even agree that's the point of view to look at it from. even the first year the majority of festival-goers didn't look like scenesters to me, and in the years since they've clearly been ravers who know f-all about the music being played. i dont think anyone has ever assumed the relatively small legion of people into "the scene" could support the festival. they do however help validate the festival as something more than just some big party a bunch of kids go to and drug out to, but thats beside the point. people a lot more involved and in-the-know than you seem to think the event has a future of some sort....if it didn't seem viable in the past it wouldn't have happened, it doesn't seem viable this year it won't, end of story. seems to me last year was the first year the festival generated solid numbers to base a strategy from, and wasn't mismanaged and sold on grossly exaggerated sales forecasts, which is a good start. but i thought we were admitting that the music of the festival (and this list) is irrelevant nostalgia music and that we were akin to dead-heads and hair-band fans? and toss in, wah wah techno isnt "futuristic" anymore, i'm so sick of hearing that sh:t! it never was, it was the people who made it and listened to it that attached futurist fantasies and imagery to it, and that was a product of the times. the fact that that "futuristic" element is no longer such an intoxicating part of the music (to some) has nothing to do with the music, it has a lot more to do US, with the disappointment of the "space age", a more up-to-date perception of how technology is progressing, living in a new century etc. and "the scene"? when was there ever really a "scene" in detroit? at it's heydey it was tiny according to those who were part of it, you are romanticizng the death of a myth, which is all well and good i suppose. i'm all for an intelligent discussion of the future of the festival, altho it may be relatively pointless here, but you are talking about trendiness, and insecurities about how uncool we are, and "the scene", and other bullsh:t which is just ineffective self-relevant nonsense if you ask me which no one did but FFS gimme a break already. >Im glad few of you made this about me vs techno or me vs you, you're a >classy group of people to be able to have a mature conversation about >something as devisive as the "is the scene too dead for demf" thread. its >like talking about religion at work, because with the scene as dead as it >is, generally the people still at it are REALLY into it, and into it for the >right reasons. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "J.T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "/0" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> >Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 4:45 PM >Subject: Re: (313) Re: [ok] RE: (313) Saunderson not doing Fuse-In. > > >>i understand what you're saying, except techno is not hair-band, and i >>could care less about what is perceived as trendy/nostalgic, good music >>wins out and most of what is trendy IS nostalgic, go figure. anything with >>devout fans results in whining/assumption over one thing or another. the >>more popular, the more ridiculosu whining and assumption. i'm secure about >>the music i love. maybe you should go be a fan of something else. maybe you >>look like a hair-band fan. maybe you should get a haircut. >> >> -----Original Message----- >>>From: /0 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>Sent: Feb 21, 2006 3:53 PM >>>To: Fred Heutte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org >>>Subject: Re: (313) Re: [ok] RE: (313) Saunderson not doing Fuse-In. >>> >>>to no-one in particular, >>> >>>maybe we could just let it go... this festival and all the >>>whining/assumption surrounding it reminds me of the dead heads or the >>>people that just cant accept the fact that kurt cobain is dead. something >>>disgusting about futuristic music being constantly approached from a >>>nostalgic angle. >>> >>>if the music and the scene were strong, the status of the festival wouldnt >>>be so endlessly tenuous. seriously guys, we're starting to look like the >>>early 90s hair bands that were about 5 years too late to realize that the >>>80s were over. >>
