hey JT, I meant no personal offense to you, I'm sorry if I upset you.
but, I disagree that about techno being futuristic, I think juan atkins, the
self proclaimed inventor of techno, said it is exactly that.
as far as you saying"maybe you should go be a fan of something else"...
I've been making music this music for 15 years and I love it. I always knew
I'd make music in my bedroom until I was a deaf old man, regardless of trend
unfortunately that doesnt exactly equate to a yearly music festival
----- Original Message -----
From: "J.T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "/0" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Re: [ok] RE: (313) Saunderson not doing Fuse-In.
no one told you to quit loving the music, but at least admit that after 4-5
years of having the even lose money, cant we all admit that the scene cant
support it the way we want it?
uh no? i cant even agree that's the point of view to look at it from. even
the first year the majority of festival-goers didn't look like scenesters to
me, and in the years since they've clearly been ravers who know f-all about
the music being played. i dont think anyone has ever assumed the relatively
small legion of people into "the scene" could support the festival. they do
however help validate the festival as something more than just some big
party a bunch of kids go to and drug out to, but thats beside the point.
people a lot more involved and in-the-know than you seem to think the event
has a future of some sort....if it didn't seem viable in the past it
wouldn't have happened, it doesn't seem viable this year it won't, end of
story. seems to me last year was the first year the festival generated solid
numbers to base a strategy from, and wasn't mismanaged and sold on grossly
exaggerated sales forecasts, which is a good start.
but i thought we were admitting that the music of the festival (and this
list) is irrelevant nostalgia music and that we were akin to dead-heads and
hair-band fans? and toss in, wah wah techno isnt "futuristic" anymore, i'm
so sick of hearing that sh:t! it never was, it was the people who made it
and listened to it that attached futurist fantasies and imagery to it, and
that was a product of the times. the fact that that "futuristic" element is
no longer such an intoxicating part of the music (to some) has nothing to do
with the music, it has a lot more to do US, with the disappointment of the
"space age", a more up-to-date perception of how technology is progressing,
living in a new century etc. and "the scene"? when was there ever really a
"scene" in detroit? at it's heydey it was tiny according to those who were
part of it, you are romanticizng the death of a myth, which is all well and
good i suppose. i'm all for an intelligent discussion of the future of the
festival, altho it may be relatively pointless here, but you are talking
about trendiness, and insecurities about how uncool we are, and "the scene",
and other bullsh:t which is just ineffective self-relevant nonsense if you
ask me which no one did but FFS gimme a break already.
Im glad few of you made this about me vs techno or me vs you, you're a
classy group of people to be able to have a mature conversation about
something as devisive as the "is the scene too dead for demf" thread. its
like talking about religion at work, because with the scene as dead as it
is, generally the people still at it are REALLY into it, and into it for
the
right reasons.
----- Original Message -----
From: "J.T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "/0" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Re: [ok] RE: (313) Saunderson not doing Fuse-In.
i understand what you're saying, except techno is not hair-band, and i
could care less about what is perceived as trendy/nostalgic, good music
wins out and most of what is trendy IS nostalgic, go figure. anything with
devout fans results in whining/assumption over one thing or another. the
more popular, the more ridiculosu whining and assumption. i'm secure about
the music i love. maybe you should go be a fan of something else. maybe
you
look like a hair-band fan. maybe you should get a haircut.
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Sent: Feb 21, 2006 3:53 PM
To: Fred Heutte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: (313) Re: [ok] RE: (313) Saunderson not doing Fuse-In.
to no-one in particular,
maybe we could just let it go... this festival and all the
whining/assumption surrounding it reminds me of the dead heads or the
people that just cant accept the fact that kurt cobain is dead.
something
disgusting about futuristic music being constantly approached from a
nostalgic angle.
if the music and the scene were strong, the status of the festival
wouldnt
be so endlessly tenuous. seriously guys, we're starting to look like the
early 90s hair bands that were about 5 years too late to realize that the
80s were over.
