i think it's a little bit of the same. I mean, my perceived idea of quality is entirely dependent on my personal taste. Unless you're one of those folks who feel that there is an objective technical definition of Quality (but we've been through this though, yes?). but then that's why lists like this exist. So we can examine these points through a shared (and sometimes not-so-shared) lens made up of few key agreeances (quality, placement, arrangement, etc). either these things are not as important, or they have a different emphasis to other heads (trance-boys) and hence the great divide.
I mean, I just heard a MURS track (hip-hop) where he states, " I'm tired of the same old verse-chorus-verse-chorus-verse...". now that may not be important to other hip-hop heads, but it's spawned a whole subculture of rap based on non-standard stuff. And in that culture, the more experimental bizniss is held high even though half of it couldn't move anything below the neck. Meaning at some point a group decided that it's more important to push boudaries than to merely move booties. I guess it's just what's important to people at any given time. Make any sense? k -----Original Message----- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 12:10 PM To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) RE: Neotrance (Was (313) EevoNext presents: Terrace Unchained EP) Of course Twatkins should pop up and remind us that there was a time when Trance wasn't a dirty word ... back when Tom Cox was rocking Vanilla Ice tapes in 6th Grade ;-) There are a lot of artists who seem to really jump the shark, apparently to get the big gigs in the big rooms in Europe. The Circulation series had some gems that really work on the dance floor, and then they got all 'Progressive' or whatever you call it, and they seemed to be bathing in a giant vat of Suck. Sander Kleinenberg has made some truly beautiful tracks that are in that indefinable sweet spot between techno, deep house and trance, stuff you could mix with e.g. Terrace and John Beltran. And then he's got the stuff he does in order to be a big room DJ in Europe for the E'd up teens... *shudder* Which brings up a more relevant-to-313 point: Sure we all think 'our' guys -- i.e. real techno, Detroit House/Deep House/Whatever DJs -- rule, and Trance DJs are a bunch of narcissistic pederasts. But -- isn't _every_ really well-made DJ set on some level emotionally manipulative? So you don't have a long build up with simplistic A Minor, C Major, G Major, D Major synth twittering, but aren't you trying to do the same thing, only with Tracks That Do Not Suck? Is there something inherently more authentic and deep about the manipulations of 'our' DJs vs the TranceWankers? I'm not trying to stir the pot, I'm actually curious what people think. How much of the judgement is based on any perceived idea of quality, and how much is just a matter of taste?
