here`s my 2 cents.
 my defenition of techno (when people ask me what i spin thats what i
answer) is music with some sort of feeling. innovative and kool. i know that
as a genere TECHNO was created in detroit. i love detroit - but i think good
music (or techno) is created in many other places.
defenitions are bad!
as for trance i have mixed emotions about this genere since in my country
most of the people who like elektronic music are into trance (goa, psy, or
progressive). many of my friends are dj who spin this music. the early stuff
were great lots of emotion but in a weird way their scene is more like
drum`n`bass no more new innovation. the progressive music for me is just
rubbish with no soul.

A
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From: "Kent williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Dan Sicko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Phonopsia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "M. Todd Smith"
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Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: [313] technology


> On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Dan Sicko wrote:
> > >>Trance in its roots was a marketing tool to identify techno with
melody
> >
> > That's a real shame that the definition of "techno" had degraded that
> > quickly in the early 90s, don't you think?
> >
> Well real Detroit techno was over before it started in some respects.
> Kind of like the Velvet Underground -- by the time anyone paid attention
> it was long since gone.  Later on it was seminal in influencing a later
> generation. The people nowadays that call what they do techno, and more
> particular Detroit techno are influenced and informed by the originators,
> but Techno stopped being 'TECHNO' when it spread beyond a very exclusive
> scene that only really involved a few hundred people in and around
> Detroit.
>
> Which isn't to say that good music in the dance idiom stopped in 1990 --
> it's just not the same thing. There's a global dance culture that has
> as much to do with fashion and pills as it does with music, and thousands
> of people producing music on every continent, each with their own agenda.
>
> About trance: I've seen a couple of trance DJs that I really liked, and
> it was because they have taste and seek out interesting things outside the
> mainstream. The real problem with trance is the same problem with things
> like filter house, drum and bass, and two step: Specific, limited
> production tricks and rhythms, that a producer should use once or twice
> and then try something new, become codified and serve as the basis of a
> thousand slight variations, all inferior to the original.  That there's
> a market for all that cheap repetition says something about the
utilitarian
> nature of dance music -- DJs always want something new and slamming, but
> it can't be so new they lose their audience.
>
>
>
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