finalscratch : Be patient Ever heard of the step by step program ? we move slowly first we imitate then we innovate
But i'm not gonne tell you here how to lay down you creativity on a tool it ain't all 'bout what's here now ;-) Mad'R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Subject Detroit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 2:35 PM Subject: RE: RE: [313] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] everywhere > Mr. Woolums has taken the words RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH!!!!! > How advanced is a piece of equipment that can finally do today what certain > Detroit Djs could do 12 years ago? > Where is the progress in TALENT? All this does is make it easier for djs who > lack the ability to do it by hand. > Instead of raising the bar, they lowering it and trying to step over. > > back.....Bone > > > >From: Yair Etziony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "'Vince Woolums'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'313@hyperreal.org'" > ><313@hyperreal.org> > >Subject: RE: [313] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] everywhere > >Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 22:25:07 +0200 > > > >Regards. > > i really enjoyed reading your stuff vince i think that u r like 90% > >right. > >most of the time we think that technology will make us more innovative and > >more creative, but alas i think technology is just making us more and more > >dependent on it. > > creative is something that comes from the mind not something u can have > >with technology, like any new gimmik the final scratch will come and go. i > >am not too sure that vinyls will stay for ever but i know one thing- all > >the > >new technology stuff for dj`s is simple uncreative. they made software who > >acts as turntables ,they make cd who acts like a turntable. if technology > >were really creative they would just try to immitate but to innovate > >something REALLY new. > > > >y/ > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Vince Woolums [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:54 PM > >To: 313 List > >Subject: re: [313] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] everywhere > > > > > > > i don't think you understand what final scratch is, and how de9(?) was > >made. > > > final scratch is a tool that allows use to use two regular turntables > >and > >a > > > regular mixer to control any a digital file on a computer just like you > >would a > > > slab of vinyl. you slow the turntable down and the digital file slows > >down > >etc. > > > you do it live. it's not digital editing tool like pro tools or peak > >etc. > > > anything you do with you do live. > > > >i'm briefed on final scratch. i've seen acquav!va use it. in addition, > >i'm > >aware of the production techniques involved in the creation of both de9 and > >closer to the edit. i'm also aware of the physics behind the technology. > >i've watched these develpments rather closely. > > > >you're missing one of my points: that many other DJs dont need it, dont > >prefer it, and whose performance would be limited by said technology. > > > > > as for the detrimental trade on vinyl. well, it's heavy, wears out, and > >is > >hard > > > to distribute. digital files can be endlessly copied and emailed all > >over > >the > > > place, placed on sites. it allows more people to have access to more > >music. what > > > you do on the turntables should be determined by your skill level and > > > inventiveness, not by the vinyl you can afford or have access to. > > > instead of letting record companies, distributors, and record stores > >determine > > > what tracks you have access to you can play tracks by anybody that cares > >to post > > > them. > > > >your words are very interesting. so what if vinyl is heavy, wears out and > >is hard to distribute? all of those things are unique to the DJ trade and > >the art form. thomas brinkmann is able to utilize a unique technological > >tool, one final scratch can't even approach and that relies on vinyl and > >not > >mp3. > > > >that not just anyone can have any track is central to my argument. dont > >think i'm preaching vinyl elitism - but if everyone had access to any and > >every track, would they create something unique, special, or anything but > >homogenized? here's an analogy - if everyone had the exact same make, > >model > >and color Porsche, would it still be special?? > > > >more people with more access is giddy hat-tip to liberalist egalitarianism. > >part of the fun of DJing, to me, is digging through crates in used shops, > >looking on the internet for out of print tracks, trading them with my > >friends, cleaning them up once in a while and chatting with people all over > >the world when buying or selling vinyl. > > > >"what you do on the turntables should be determined by your skill level and > >inventiveness, not by the vinyl you can afford or have access to" > > > >contradiction! first you say that everyone will have access to more music, > >then you assert that 'inventiveness' will occur? my retail experience > >shows > >me first that as soon as a new mix CD comes out kids are lining up to buy > >the tracks on that mix. and often they don't just want the tracks - they > >want to play them in the SAME order. second, since anyone can own and play > >anything, what will stop the 'top' DJs from playing all the songs a crowd > >wants to hear? easy access is exactly why mp3 DJs devalue our beloved > >music! > > > >also, your statement seems focused solely on 'smooth mix' djs like hawtin, > >and i daresay, many of the big room trance djs. what about those who dont > >blend for hours? are you asserting that that m!lls is not inventive? rob > >swift? cut chemist & dj shadow? et al? > > > >i agree that people with too much money own a lot of good tracks. > > > >but making tracks FREE to people will make that problem much, much worse. > > > >while i support unknown artists sharing their work, universally accepting > >this style of DJing will most certainly mire music production and DJing in > >a > >rut of banality. > > > >it's clear that you're behind this technology as some sort of 'bar-raising' > >effort that would urge DJs to be more creative. in fact, like so much > >globalization and imagineering, it's only going to homogenize an already > >dilute musical form. > > > >i can live with being a vinyl junkie but i'll never be an mp3 junkie. > > > >in the spirit of healthy debate, > > > >vince > > > > > Subject: Re: [313] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] everywhere > > > > > > Personally, I just can't get into Final Scratch and digital editing. > >There > > > are hundreds DJs out there who are equipped with the physical hardware > >to > > > (nearly) do this kind of audio montage live. They're called > >turntablists. > > > And in techno, a few names shouldn't be too far out of mind - Mills, > >Young, > > > Parker, Bone to name a few key Detroiters. > > > > > > Not to mention the detrimental effect use of digital files may have on > >the > > > trade of vinyl discs... > > > > > > Vince Woolums > > > AOL IM: vincewoolums > > > http://bnsrecords.gemm.com > > > http://www.recordcollectorinc.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Glyph1001 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 5:28 PM > > > Subject: Re: [313] hawtin hawtin everywhere > > > > > > > > > > Mixed reviews is the consensus. I personally thought musically, the > >cd > > > > was pretty cool and funky. I've said before that it sounded Studio > > > > One-ish. This series is all about the gear and techniques that goes > >into > > > > the production of these mixes, not necessarily the music itself, > > > > although some people expected way too much from R1chie musically, > >hence > > > > the mixed reviews. > > > > > > > > g. > > > > > > > > Rusty Blasco wrote: > > > > > > > > > So what's the consensus floating around thus far concerning the new > > > > > R!chie H!wtin joint? I personally haven't heard it yet and am > >waiting > > > > > for my first paycheck in months (fingers crossed it doesn't get held > > > > > up somewhere in the bureaucratic process); a positive public opinion > > > > > will increase the excitement I have towards my not-too-distant > > > > > purchase. Has he mellowed out or become any housier (as a colleague > > > > > informed me)? Please respond to me personally. > > > > > > > > > > Rusty > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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