Phil Taylor writes:
| John Chambers wrote:
| >
| >The K:D=C_E_B^c example has a  natural  on  the  C  line  (below  the
| >staff),  flats  on  the E and B lines, and a sharp on the c line.  It
| >might be better to put them in a different order; I just expressed it
| >that way to make the scale clear.
|
| There's a problem here.  In conventional notation, sharps and flats
| in the key signature affect all octaves, unlike accidentals which
| affect only the octave marked.  You are proposing to change that
| rule, not just for abc but for standard notation too.

You're right.  That's a rule that isn't always followed  in
all  kinds of music.  Others here can supply examples.  And
even in "standard" Western music, this rule is sufficiently
poorly  followed  that many editors like to insert advisory
accidentals just to make sure that readers won't miss them.
This  may encourage people to believe that a different rule
applies.

| >Which does remind me that, although there's a conventional order  for
| >the  accidentals in classical key signatures, there really isn't such
| >an order for others.  Some particular musical  styles  might  have  a
| >conventional  order, but I don't know of them.  In recent music books
| >that use non-classical key signatures, there are several orders used.
| >I  think  they  position  them  so  that  they look good on the page,
| >whatever that might mean to the editor.
|
| The conclusion we came to the last time that this was discussed is that
| programs should draw the symbols in the order in which they are given in
| the abc.  That way the order is left up to the user.

A very good idea.  (That's what I did, of course. ;-)

There's a lot to be said for tools that do  what  you  tell
them,  even  if  someone else might think you're stupid for
doing it that way.  Then, if  it  doesn't  work,  it's  the
user's fault, not the fault of the programmer.

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