Last noon, I was discussing your case with my friends over the lunch. One of them shared his enlightening experience which is worth-sharing with the list. While travelling once from Dehradun he sensed majority of passangers in the boggy were non-disabled ant didn't self-volunteer to get down, he made noice alleging that his purse got stolen. The GRP/RPF troops came inside and wielded lathis to disperse the non-disabled from the boggy. Lets be innovative while dealing with such problem.
On 10/7/15, Zoher <zos...@gmail.com> wrote: > I have following questions. > 1. who is aligible to travel in handicaped coach of train? > 2. the rools to travel in hp coach of local and long distence train are > same? > 3. cenior citizens and pregnant ladies are allowed to travel in this coach? > 4. can some 1 on the list provide the rool or cercular regarding the > traveling in hp coach, as I could not find the same after googling it. > > Thanks to you all for giving your input on this issue. > Bhaavya you are right disabled people always shout if nondisabled person > board in the compartment, In my case there were not many disabled > passengers. I can say this thing because when police come in the compartment > > nobody was there to support me. > The police man should not have asked who have given the complain and should > > not ask for ticket number. > The police should alsow have lady constable. > Most of the time Passenger get down after the police comes but the daly > commuters are very resistive. > Only getting them down will not solve the problem but they should be > peenalised by police. I asked the police but he replied I dont have that > authority. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah...@gmail.com> > To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerningthe disabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 11:06 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] A bad Incidence In Indian Railways > > >> Hi, >> Such incidents of non-disabled people boarding the compartment for >> PWDs is very frequent in my case. Recently, I have had to travel by >> train often for certain classes from Bombay Central to Vile Parle. >> Below are some of my personal observations and remarks: >> * Non-disabled ladies are more likely to be the travellers in our >> compartment than on-disabled men. >> * Visually impaired people almost always become aware because senior >> citizens and people with physical disabilities, for instance, do >> almost always protest agains this and ask non-disabled passengers to >> leave, by shouting in chorus 'Handicapped ka dabba hain' and similar >> phrases. Their protests enlighten us about the boarding of >> non-disabled people and visually impaired travellers too begin to >> protest. >> * Although the quantity and frequency of non-disabled people >> continuously boarding the compartment of PWDs does sadden me, I am >> often gladdened to observe that there are always protesters who >> instruct and often fight (advocate rather) for their illegal boarding >> and the nuisance they were creating. 'Fighting for rights' is very >> well demonstrated by persons with different disabilities unitedly in >> the many incidents I have witnessed. >> Narrating some noteworthy incidents belo: >> * Once, a non-disabled lady with her child (young the child was, but >> not an infant) casually boarded the PWDS compartment. People (senior >> citizens, my mother and a visually impaired person) asked her to >> leave. She continuously argued that she had often travelled in the >> PWDs department with her child without being censured, she had a young >> child to travel with and she was unaware of any rule that disallowed >> non-disabled people from boarding PWDS compartment. Despite her vague >> arguments, legal protesters of the compartment patiently explained to >> her, asked her to quickly move to the Ladies compartment at the next >> station, explained her the eligibility criteria to board the PWDS >> department, asked her to call the railways office to clarify the same >> etc., yet, she persisted and remained in the compartment refusing to >> leave. The incident finally concluded with an officer arriving at the >> next station and us passing her to clarify her doubts about the same >> with the officer, resulting in her departure from our PWDS >> compartment, for good. >> * Once, with a minorly disabled lady, an unreasonably large group of >> ladies boarded the PWDS compartment, 6 or more ladies in all, till I >> recall. Everyone in the compartment asked the group to leave because >> such a large group of escorts for one single disabled lady was not >> permitted. A visually impaired man, who was incidentally standing >> nearby, became aware of this right and rule violation and continued >> the argument. One of the ladies in the group began shouting, and >> subsequently abusing, to which the visually impaired man reciprocated >> in the same language as well. Conclusively, the group had to depart >> due to the excess amount of people in their opposition and due to the >> heat ignited in the argument. >> * In general, often groups of ladies or girls, school and college >> students and other individuals, often simply illegally board the PWDS >> department anticipating that their arrival will not be unwelcome. >> Either they come with an argument prepared or with an intention to >> retaliate back if they are censured, or simply take a chance to see if >> they will be permitted to travel in the PWDs compartment. >> * I didn't listen too carefully, but, a few days ago, on the Mumbai >> railways, there was an announcement going on emphasizing that >> non-disabled people were not permitted to travel in the PWDs >> compartment and violation would result in a fine (missed the amount of >> the fine). >> Thanks. >> >> On 10/6/15, sampath raj rao <sampath.4...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> If that's the case, will the cops wait till some passenger in the >>> first class boggy launches a complaint against a passenger with third >>> class ticket? then why should cops wait till a disabled passenger >>> complaints against a non-disabled in a disable compartment??? >>> Can't they stop their entry as they restrict in the boggies of first >>> class and Ladies's ??? >>> I haven't experienced such issues but have heard such cases before to... >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/6/15, Rohiet A. Patil <patil_ro...@dataone.in> wrote: >>>> Hi! >>>> The suggestion does not seems practical. Because, when the police will >>>> try >>>> to vacate the coatch, at that time other passengers may ask them if >>>> there >>>> is >>>> >>>> no complaint from anyone then what is the problem? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Surya Prakash Sharma >>>> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 8:49 PM >>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>>> concerningthe disabled. >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] A bad Incidence In Indian Railways >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> i've a suggestion in this regard to avoid direct confrontation with >>>> the non-disabled passengers boarding in the coatch reserved for PWDs. >>>> we should request the railways that in such cases when the railway >>>> police acting on such complaints must not reveal that there was a >>>> complaint from the coatch. they should pretend as if they were acting >>>> suo moto. >>>> >>>> On 10/5/15, vivek doddamani <vivekka...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Friend, do not worry keep the message what you have sent to Indian >>>>> railways, the second thing is why did that lady get into disabled >>>>> coach, in this case what you have to do is switch recording button in >>>>> your mobile record whatever she is abusing you, do not worry nothing >>>>> will happen, empty vessals make more noise. >>>>> >>>>> On 10/5/15, Amar Jain <amarjain2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Boss, >>>>>> >>>>>> No wrong in giving complaint. If police inspector at all calls you, >>>>>> first ask him for a copy of the complaint. Secondly, save that >>>>>> message >>>>>> for some duration so that you can show that this is what you had done >>>>>> and what is now happening is the consequence of your good deed. >>>>>> >>>>>> One of the point to be carefully looked at in the complaint is the >>>>>> time of incident which that lady reports. If it is after your >>>>>> complaint, then god saves her wisdom. And ideally that lady shouldn't >>>>>> have travelled at all in the disabled coach! >>>>>> >>>>>> Next time, take a video yourself keeping the phone in the direction >>>>>> of >>>>>> such person hoping that somehow we are able to capture the face >>>>>> itself! >>>>>> >>>>>> And no point taking it seriously right now, because you will only >>>>>> bother yourself. 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