I do not take the facility of scribe but people who use the facility have no chocie but to take scribes provided by the institute which are mostly teaching associates (who work with faculty members in teaching and research) and in some cases doctoral students.
Looking at the comments from different organizations, I could think of the following 1. If scribe is also qualified to take the exam or has taken the exam previosly then a restriction is necesary to avoid malpractices. It could be that the scribe should have a maximum grades/marks in the subject/overall marks/GPA. *There was a case in some institute (I canot name it) whre the first year MBA student actually chose the scribe from second year MBA students based on their first year grades in the subject. *If we restrict totally the overqualified people as scribe then first year students in residential camous will always be at loss as there will be no junior to help them and they may not be in their city of schooling Not sure how this can translate into competititve examinations like UPSE, SSC CAT etc. 2. If the student qualification is lower then no such restriction should be there. In case I have any other thought/suggestion, I will share with the group. Regards ]Amit Jain On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 7:14 PM, Kanchan Pamnani <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> wrote: > So Amit who did you use as your scribe for the first yearof the MBA course? > What else can I give to salvage this situation. > See the comments of the authorities including NIVH in my other emails > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf > Of Amit Jain > Sent: 14 December 2017 19:06 > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent > > One batch lower would be a harsh condition I would say. > > Take IIMs as an example, MBA is for two years, so when I enter in the first > year, I will have no junior to help me out, seniors is out of question, so > there is effectively no pool for me to choose a scrieb and I have to depend > on the institute to provide scribes. This will happen with most of the > campus colleges which are far away from the city. > > Regards > Amit > > On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Kanchan Pamnani <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com > > > wrote: > > > > > Lets get the facts straight. > > 1. These guidelines are wonderful. > > 2. There has been a lot of misuse by many candidates. > > 3. Many of the candidates have complained to the Authorities. > > 4. We as the sector should have complained about it and disciplined > > our juniors I have heard private grumblings from many but no one has > > taken it up legally. > > 5. There has been only one complaint regarding a bad scribe given by > > the Authorities or atleast that is what I have been informed in one of > > the meetings. > > 6. The Expert committee was set up by the Ministry and not by Court. > > 7. It was set up on the request of UPSC and they had facts and figures > > to back them. > > 8. The visually impaired community is represented-Mr. rungta, Ms. > > Anuradha Dalmia, S. R. Mittal and I 9. I will defend these guidelines > > that is no restriction on scribes even though NIVH has taken a > > different stand. > > 10. If we need to compromise and give a little then: > > a. Definitely no close or blood relative and spouse should be allowed > > as scribe. > > B. What do you all think about the one batch lower than the exam in > > question. This was in the 2006 Bombay High Court guidelines. If you > > all could respond to this I will be grateful. > > Thanks > > Kanchan > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > > Behalf Of Mohib Anwar Rafay > > Sent: 14 December 2017 17:53 > > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > > concerning the disabled. > > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent > > > > The court doesn't take notice of the incidents those occur because of > > bad scribe or completely worthless scribes provided by exam centres, > > and also court doesn't deliberate upon outlandish scribe guidelines > > set by public authorities like so called public service commissions of > > the states! Yes, court quickly jumps upon setting up the committee for > > looking the possibility for changing such revolutionary scribe > > guidelines. I am totally in agreement with what has been said by > > Avinash, the burdon of strict invigilation should be on the exam > > conducting authority, or provide accessible examination environment by > providing computer and screenreaders. > > > > On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Avinash > > > Agree with you completely. > > > However someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked for ban > > > of private scribes. Luckily court has not agreed but has put the > > > onus on the Expert Committeee which is meeting tomorrow. > > > Will try and send you comments of NIVH to understand how we are > > > going to fall. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > > > Behalf Of avinash shahi > > > Sent: 14 December 2017 16:43 > > > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > > > concerning the disabled. > > > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent > > > > > > No limitations should be imposed on scribes. The only remedy to > > > check the mal-practices is strict vigilance. Just think how > > > non-scribe user examinees are not allowed to cheat cause the strict > > > enforcement mechanisms. the limitation such as Educational > > > qualification is an absurd and the government had rightly done away > with > in the past. > > > Until we've requisite modification in the exam patern for majority > > > of jobs and computers are not equipped with screen reading softwares > > > at the exam venue, the candidates should not be burdened with > > > unnecessary limitations/restrictions. You please lobby for reforms > > > in the patern of exams rather than putting archaic restrictions > > > which had ruined many brilliant candidates' future due to > discriminatory > writer rules. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> Referring to OM of 26th Feb 2013 > > >> > > >> What limitations can we allow on scribes > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> This is critical because tomorrow there is a meeting. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked that private > > >> scribes be banned. 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