I think keeping one grade lower may work in school and university examination if taking scribe from the same stream, but this formula shouldn't be fixed for competetive examination. As most of the competetive examination have the eligibility being graduate, as happens in most of the state and all India civil services examination. It mean all the time a candidate appearing in civil services examination will have to necessarily engage a scribe who has not earned his bachellor degree. It will be a harsh restriction looking at the examination pattern, as the scribe should be quite efficient in reading and writing. moreover one grade lower criteria may be problematic in UGC NET and Centrel Eligibility test, as the eligibility of UGC Net exam is Master degree, mean first year student of the same master degree may sit as the scribe of the candidate? Here again the chances of cheating will be there. Therefore better we defend the currently existing office memorendum .
On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> wrote: > How about this : > > 3. Scribes chosen by Candidate > > > a. In case the candidate avails the services of his/her own scribe/writer, > the scribe/writer should be one grade junior in academic qualification > than the candidate if from the same stream. However, this condition shall > not apply if the scribe/writer is from a different stream. > > b. For competitive examinations the scribe needs to be one level below the > eligibility criteria of the competitive exam in consideration. > > c. For internal exams of schools and colleges the condition of the scribe > being one grade junior in academic qualification than the candidate should > not be enforced strictly as this would cause undue hardship to the > candidate > and give rise to unviable solutions. > > -----Original Message----- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of Amit Jain > Sent: 14 December 2017 19:52 > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent > > I do not take the facility of scribe but people who use the facility have > no > chocie but to take scribes provided by the institute which are mostly > teaching associates (who work with faculty members in teaching and > research) and in some cases doctoral students. > > Looking at the comments from different organizations, I could think of the > following > > 1. If scribe is also qualified to take the exam or has taken the exam > previosly then a restriction is necesary to avoid malpractices. It could be > that the scribe should have a maximum grades/marks in the subject/overall > marks/GPA. *There was a case in some institute (I canot name it) whre the > first year MBA student actually chose the scribe from second year MBA > students based on their first year grades in the subject. *If we restrict > totally the overqualified people as scribe then first year students in > residential camous will always be at loss as there will be no junior to > help > them and they may not be in their city of schooling Not sure how this can > translate into competititve examinations like UPSE, SSC CAT etc. > > 2. If the student qualification is lower then no such restriction should be > there. > > In case I have any other thought/suggestion, I will share with the group. > > Regards > ]Amit Jain > > On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 7:14 PM, Kanchan Pamnani <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> So Amit who did you use as your scribe for the first yearof the MBA > course? >> What else can I give to salvage this situation. >> See the comments of the authorities including NIVH in my other emails >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf Of Amit Jain >> Sent: 14 December 2017 19:06 >> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning the disabled. >> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent >> >> One batch lower would be a harsh condition I would say. >> >> Take IIMs as an example, MBA is for two years, so when I enter in the >> first year, I will have no junior to help me out, seniors is out of >> question, so there is effectively no pool for me to choose a scrieb >> and I have to depend on the institute to provide scribes. This will >> happen with most of the campus colleges which are far away from the city. >> >> Regards >> Amit >> >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Kanchan Pamnani >> <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com >> > >> wrote: >> >> > >> > Lets get the facts straight. >> > 1. These guidelines are wonderful. >> > 2. There has been a lot of misuse by many candidates. >> > 3. Many of the candidates have complained to the Authorities. >> > 4. We as the sector should have complained about it and disciplined >> > our juniors I have heard private grumblings from many but no one has >> > taken it up legally. >> > 5. There has been only one complaint regarding a bad scribe given by >> > the Authorities or atleast that is what I have been informed in one >> > of the meetings. >> > 6. The Expert committee was set up by the Ministry and not by Court. >> > 7. It was set up on the request of UPSC and they had facts and >> > figures to back them. >> > 8. The visually impaired community is represented-Mr. rungta, Ms. >> > Anuradha Dalmia, S. R. Mittal and I 9. I will defend these >> > guidelines that is no restriction on scribes even though NIVH has >> > taken a different stand. >> > 10. If we need to compromise and give a little then: >> > a. Definitely no close or blood relative and spouse should be >> > allowed as scribe. >> > B. What do you all think about the one batch lower than the exam in >> > question. This was in the 2006 Bombay High Court guidelines. If you >> > all could respond to this I will be grateful. >> > Thanks >> > Kanchan >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> > Behalf Of Mohib Anwar Rafay >> > Sent: 14 December 2017 17:53 >> > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> > concerning the disabled. >> > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent >> > >> > The court doesn't take notice of the incidents those occur because >> > of bad scribe or completely worthless scribes provided by exam >> > centres, and also court doesn't deliberate upon outlandish scribe >> > guidelines set by public authorities like so called public service >> > commissions of the states! Yes, court quickly jumps upon setting up >> > the committee for looking the possibility for changing such >> > revolutionary scribe guidelines. I am totally in agreement with what >> > has been said by Avinash, the burdon of strict invigilation should >> > be on the exam conducting authority, or provide accessible >> > examination environment by >> providing computer and screenreaders. >> > >> > On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > Avinash >> > > Agree with you completely. >> > > However someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked for >> > > ban of private scribes. Luckily court has not agreed but has put >> > > the onus on the Expert Committeee which is meeting tomorrow. >> > > Will try and send you comments of NIVH to understand how we are >> > > going to fall. >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] >> > > On Behalf Of avinash shahi >> > > Sent: 14 December 2017 16:43 >> > > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> > > concerning the disabled. >> > > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines urgent >> > > >> > > No limitations should be imposed on scribes. The only remedy to >> > > check the mal-practices is strict vigilance. Just think how >> > > non-scribe user examinees are not allowed to cheat cause the >> > > strict enforcement mechanisms. the limitation such as Educational >> > > qualification is an absurd and the government had rightly done >> > > away >> with >> in the past. >> > > Until we've requisite modification in the exam patern for majority >> > > of jobs and computers are not equipped with screen reading >> > > softwares at the exam venue, the candidates should not be burdened >> > > with unnecessary limitations/restrictions. You please lobby for >> > > reforms in the patern of exams rather than putting archaic >> > > restrictions which had ruined many brilliant candidates' future >> > > due to >> discriminatory >> writer rules. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On 12/14/17, Kanchan Pamnani <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> Referring to OM of 26th Feb 2013 >> > >> >> > >> What limitations can we allow on scribes >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> This is critical because tomorrow there is a meeting. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Someone has gone to the Bombay High Court and asked that private >> > >> scribes be banned. 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