I fully endorse Rakesh's views that what we demand is highly contextual. In his case, separate space For VI teachers was the demand, and due to shift of staff room to another poorly connected building it became pressing necessity. You cannot, in a government bureaucratic setting, make nice distinctions between staff room and separate enclosure for VI teachers. Separate quiter space for VI teacher which they can easily access is the demand and by calling it a staff room it could be obtained easily.
We should refrain from needless hairsplitting, me thinks. Rajesh Asudani Assistant General Manager (PPS), Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?" John Milton -----Original Message----- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rakesh Kumar Gupta Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 1:36 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] staff room Happy Teachers Day Hi Kanchan and others, What we demand, it depends on matter to matter. As far concerned to my matter, following points should be mainly noted: 1. Each employee has use to report directly to Principal Office at arrival and departure time about his or her presence in everyday and princile office is in first building. 2. Each teacher has to be present in whole school time in at least five and half hours, whether his or her period is vacant or not. 3. Each teacher have to complete the syllabus of his or her subject in limited time which is prescribed in Week Wise syllabus of concerned subject. 4. No proper connectivinity path properly maintained between First and third building and Second and third building, so that non of any totally VH person can move in same without taking help of other normal colleague. 5. only VH employees were suffering much in comparison with normal employees specially for his teaching performance in their classes and also from toilet problem (because no toilet was available in third building), so that normal employees / teachers did not raise this demand to reshift the common staff room in its previous place. While, Vh teachers were fully depended on their students for visiting their regular classes and due to not having satisfactory environment of study in my school, mostly students did not take interest for attending their classes regularly. So, students did same according to pre-expectation. 6. If any teacher finds absent without any specific reason in his class during routine visit by school authority or surprised inspection by any higher authority of our department, any disciplinary action may be taken against the concerned teacher. 7. Finally, There is great difference between Vh teacher and Vh students specially at school level. There is no vacant period for any vh students, while some vacant periods are given to each teacher. Normal teacher can use better their vacant periods, but lack of some facilities related to basic instruments for VH persons, VH teachers can not do the same in specially Govt schools of Delhi. Regards, Rakesh. ----- Original Message ----- From: "pamnani" <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [AI] staff room Happy Teachers Day > Vikas, > I am only referring to your third point. When I asked Rakesh the question > I > wanted to know exactly what you have answered. A vi student needs some > place > to work seperately and so does a vi teacher. I cant work if my staff is > talking.So we have to balance the general with the segregated. > Unfortunately the discussion went off on a tangent. I just wanted to > highlight that we have to be careful for what we demand. I also wanted to > hear others opinion on the point. > Kanchan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vikas Kapoor" <dl.vi...@gmail.com> > To: "Rakesh Kumar Gupta" <rkgd1...@gmail.com>; > <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 22:13 > Subject: Re: [AI] staff room Happy Teachers Day > > > First of all, please don't generalise things on the statement of just only > one teacher, particularly if you are likely to present the facts/your > views > before a public forum, and the timetable allotted to a particular teacher > in > a college/university may very considerably. > Secondly, the time you mentioned about the strength of the students is too > old and the circumstances that we have today are very much different from > what you had in your time. Therefore, I strongly urge you to update your > knowledge about certain facts. > In the third place, and also about the gist of this discourse, I think the > VI people, be it in a school or college/university, under all > circumstances > must have the privilege to be having a separate room for simply there are > certain special needs/activities which could be facilitated only by having > a > separate place, but this should in no way be construed with having a > separate staffroom or a segregated place. I think quite often, we > over-emphasize certain things which are associated with doing something > with > the people with vision impairment in the notion of presenting ourselves as > equal with the rest of the society. I can very well justify my statement > by > explaining what exactly happens in a staffroom in most of the > school/college/universities, for example in my case only, the kind of > noise > that we witness in our staffroom, it is almost impossible to hear anything > with the help of any screen reading software, therefore, one must > certainly > have an opportunity for doing things honestly if one wishes to do in a > conducive environment. and, in order to be able to work in such > environment, > special people should be given special environment in the same way as we'd > like to argue special people should be equipped with special devices to > enable them to have a better opportunity to be able to give their best > performance. Therefore, demanding a separate place for the people with > visual impairment shouldn't > be considered as an offense. > Vikas Kapoor, > MSN Id:dl_vi...@hotmail.com, Yahoo&Skype Id: dl_vikas, > Mobile: (+91) 9891098137. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rakesh Kumar Gupta" <rkgd1...@gmail.com> > To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 7:31 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] staff room Happy Teachers Day > > > I am not College teacher and if any fact is wrong, it may be corrected by > college teacher too. > The fact about per day period is based on the statement of one of college > teacher of DU, who is appointee on 2007. The fact about the students' > strength is given on the bases of my college time between 1984-1987. > Regards, > Rakesh. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vikas Kapoor" <dl.vi...@gmail.com> > To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 5:20 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] staff room Happy Teachers Day > > >> On what basis you can claim that a University/college teacher has to take >> 2-3 classes and the strength is not more that 30 students? Please correct >> your facts and don't unnecessarily over-fascinate the college teaching, >> it >> is equally challenging in terms of managing and organising classes and >> other >> activities. >> Vikas Kapoor, >> MSN Id:dl_vi...@hotmail.com, Yahoo&Skype Id: dl_vikas, >> Mobile: (+91) 9891098137. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rakesh Kumar Gupta" <rkgd1...@gmail.com> >> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >> Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 3:01 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] staff room Happy Teachers Day >> >> >> There are some great difference between colleges and Govt schools >> specially >> in Delhi and also some in between govt schools and my school. I am not >> viewing so same for defending my personal point, it is based on my >> personal >> working experience of about 20 years in different 12 or 13 Govt schools, >> in >> where, I have taught. >> >> Mostly, in college, a lecturer / professor takes hardly two or three >> periods >> in a day and strength of students is not more than 30 per class. >> If road connectivity between two or three buildings are good and under >> reach >> of VH employees nothing is possible. >> >> But, in my present school, Principal office is in first building in >> where, >> every must has to present personally at the time of arrival and >> departure. >> Due to having vacant first period of each VH employee, all VH employees >> must >> had to go common staff room in first period. My 2nd, 3rd and 4th periods >> were in 2nd building, 5th and 6th periods were in third building, 7th >> period >> was in again 2nd building and in 8th period, I had to go in common staff >> room and then, at the end, I had to report principal office in 1st >> building >> at the departure time. This was the regular routine in whole last cession >> of >> 2008-2009 which was obviously very tidy for me. >> Regards, >> Rakesh. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Shyam M. Sayanekar" <sayane...@gmail.com> >> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >> Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 1:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] staff room Happy Teachers Day >> >> >>> Hi Kanchan, I fully agree with you. I have been teaching in a college >>> for >>> the last thirty years and my lectures are spread over all the three >>> buildings of the college, and many times, my one lecture is on the third >>> floor of one building and the next lecture is on the third floor of >>> another building. But to maintain parity with others, I never grumbled >>> about this situation. I will never prefer any type of segregation due to >>> my own demands. >>> Yours, >>> Professor Shyam M. Sayanekar >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "pamnani" <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> >>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 8:28 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AI] staff room Happy Teachers Day >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> Everything seems to be working towards a better tomorrow. Only one >>>> thing >>>> I >>>> am not sure of Rakesh. >>>> Should you have a seperate staff room for the visually challenged >>>> teachers? >>>> I would like to know what others think. My present thought is that >>>> maybe >>>> it >>>> is convenient but is this not exclusion and segregation. >>>> Kanchan >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Rakesh Kumar Gupta" <rkgd1...@gmail.com> >>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>> Cc: "rambabu adikesavalu" <rambabu_...@yahoo.com> >>>> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 20:56 >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Happy Teachers Day >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> Thanks and same to you and also other teachers / professors >>>> In one hand, Being a teacher of political science, this should be my >>>> very >>>> first lesson for all my students to aware them about their rights and >>>> duties >>>> and specially how to use their rights with obeying their duties too. In >>>> my >>>> opinion, this is the main challenge before us. >>>> >>>> But in other hand, due to having visually challenged person, at >>>> present, >>>> I >>>> and lots of us have to face various problems in our working >>>> institutions, >>>> society and even our own family too, specially for getting equal >>>> opportunities with dignity and honor, making our personal identity for >>>> positive works etc. >>>> >>>> However, We must have to fight more against different type of >>>> exploitations >>>> with firmed decision and extraordinary patience because we are in >>>> minority >>>> and our any harsh behavior may give wrong message to any part of >>>> society, >>>> who use to try to generalize our any weakness with whole community of >>>> Visually challenged persons. >>>> >>>> Here, I would like to share some recent positive results with all of >>>> you. >>>> >>>> May be, some friends know this fact that my nearest bank "Bank of >>>> Baroda" >>>> Dilshad Garden Branch Delhi refused to provide me ATM/ Debit card and >>>> internetbanking facilities in August of last year. Now, after long >>>> positive >>>> fight against the negative attitude of the bank and interference of RBI >>>> (NEW >>>> DELHI BRANCH), my bank branch has issued me ATM/DEBIT CARD on today, >>>> although struggle against delaying for providing internetbanking >>>> facility >>>> is >>>> still continued. >>>> >>>> Another news, my present working school is running in four buildings >>>> and >>>> in >>>> where, we four Visually Challenged teachers are working at present. We >>>> all >>>> VH teachers have been compeled to take our classes at least in three >>>> buildings since long time. >>>> After completing long writing process to higher authorities of our >>>> Delhi >>>> Government, all classes, to which we VH teachers teach, have been >>>> shifted >>>> in >>>> one building and one separate Staff Room has also been alotted to us in >>>> same >>>> building in July of this year. >>>> Regards, >>>> Rakesh. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "rambabu adikesavalu" <rambabu_...@yahoo.com> >>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>> Cc: <jnuvis...@yahoogroups.com> >>>> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 12:48 PM >>>> Subject: [AI] Happy Teachers Day >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear Friends, >>>> I wish all the Teacher-members on the list a very very Happy Teachers >>>> Day. >>>> Today is the day for 'Self-introspection' for all of us belonging to a >>>> profession which deserves more recognition than it currently enjoys. >>>> I am pasting a poem which was I recieved from an online networking >>>> forum >>>> named Bookbole.com. >>>> >>>> Teachers are one of the greatest people we come across in life. They >>>> are >>>> selfless givers and mentors for life. At every step, you come across >>>> teachers who devote their entire life to the enlightenment of students. >>>> We >>>> are indeed honoured to share with you a poem titled "Treasure Trove of >>>> Books" by Leela Jacob, an English teacher from Bhavan's Public School, >>>> Baroda. >>>> >>>> >>>> Treasure Trove of Books >>>> >>>> >>>> Deprived of eyesight, >>>> Milton didn't falter. >>>> He reached his height >>>> With Paradise Lost, >>>> And Paradise Regained, later. >>>> >>>> Books galore await your pleasure, >>>> A feast for the inner eye. >>>> Dive for the bountiful treasure, >>>> Savour the thrill to the full, >>>> Till you reach as high as the Sky. >>>> >>>> For you we have 'bookbole', >>>> Technology at your doorstep. >>>> Everything is easily available. >>>> Flex your intellectual muscles, >>>> Till you plumb your own depth. >>>> >>>> >>>> Team Bookbole >>>> >>>> With regards and best wishes, >>>> Dr. A.Rambabu, >>>> Assistant Professor, CSSEIP, >>>> TISS, Mumbai >>>> Phone: 09969747312. >>>> Office: 022-25525329. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>>> with >>>> the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>> please >>>> visit the list home page at >>>> >>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>>> with >>>> the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>> please >>>> visit the list home page at >>>> >>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>> please visit the list home page at >>>> >>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> please visit the list home page at >>> >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with >> the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please >> visit the list home page at >> >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please visit the list home page at >> >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with > the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. 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