..on Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 08:53:46AM +1300, Bronwyn Holloway-Smith wrote:
> Morena,
> 
> Thought I'd better point y'all towards Makerspace - already happening in
> Wellington: http://makerspace.org.nz/
> 
> ...sounds a bit like what you were describing Damien.
> 
> There is a real techy focus at the space in Wellington, but I'm sure the
> fine folk there would be most welcoming to ADAers, and even more keen to
> hear of funding possibilities!

Great to see! I'll be sure to visit it when next in Wellington.

Julian

> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:47 AM, Julian Oliver <[email protected]>wrote:
> 
> > ..on Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 04:27:39PM +0200, Damian Stewart wrote:
> > > i remember some discussions that happened hear a couple of years back
> > along
> > > the lines of 'does New Zealand need a medialab?' well, i don't know about
> > a
> > > /media/lab, since 'media' is a bit of a loaded word and corries with it a
> > > lot of the kind of pretentious nonsense that can have a whole lot of
> > money
> > > spent on flash without very much content (eg the Film Archive 'Mediaplex'
> > > in Wellington).
> > >
> > > but, based on what i've seen in my travels, some of the most interesting
> > > creative stuff seems to be happening in and around /hack/lab spaces: the
> > > kind of spaces which put together, in one place, open-source enthusiasts
> > > who want to spread the word, and artists who are interested in working
> > with
> > > new technology and want access to equipment, workshop space, or just a
> > > social space to hang out with other likeminded people.
> > >
> > > i just went this morning to visit the Metalab in Vienna (
> > http://metalab.at)
> > > and am inspired. they have a very small space - 200 square metres - and
> > in
> > > it manage to pack the following:
> > >
> > > . main room with couches, chairs, tables and cheap roll-down projection
> > > screens for presentations, meetings, or just hanging out
> > > . library/meeting room with books, tables, a more quiet/intimate
> > > workshop/work space.
> > > . tiny sound studio with some basic synth gear (lent from one of the
> > > members, who occasionally takes it back to use at his house)
> > > . kitchen with cooking equipment (to facilitate social interaction),
> > > honesty-box fridge with beer and energy drinks (Club Mate of course)
> > > . the 'whateverlab', with a bunch of electronics gear, electronics books,
> > > two kitset 3d printers (offspring of the RepRap), a 3-axis CNC lathe, and
> > a
> > > laser cutter.
> > > . a darkroom/chemistry experiment lab
> > > . blinkenlichts of some kind in every room
> > >
> > > membership is 20$/month but you can go in and hang out and use the
> > > equipment without membership; it's a lot smaller, friendlier, and more
> > > practical/workshop-feeling than CBase in Berlin (if anyone else has been
> > > there). it's funded by the City of Vienna and some commercial sponsors,
> > and
> > > seems to have been initially set up as an 'innovation incubator' kind of
> > > project.
> > >
> > >
> > > so, in my mind, the best, cheapest single thing they could do is
> > part-fund
> > > the formation of a hack-space or several hack-spaces, strategically
> > located
> > > in major cities. in Wellington, a small space (Happy-sized) somewhere in
> > > the not-yet-gentrified bits around upper cuba or tory st, or in newtown.
> > in
> > > Auckland, divert some of the funding from the absurdly enormous Galatos
> > > place into a smaller, more realistic sized space.
> > >
> > > this could be funded all sorts of ways, in Wellington at least. if only
> > the
> > > City Council still owned Citylink, that would take care of some things.
> > and
> > > back in the day i'm sure paradise.net would have been interested. the
> > > Wellington Linux Users Group might like to play. certain people
> > associated
> > > with 127 Abel Smith would be interested i'm sure. on the open source
> > side,
> > > Catalyst IT might be interested; from the graphics programming/hacking
> > > side, Sidhe or Wandering Monster might like to play too.
> >
> > I reckon this is also a good basis for a proposal. Good words Dames.
> >
> > More often than not it's the medialabs that help make media-artists sing.
> > I've
> > especially seen this again and again with the Medialab Prado in Madrid,
> > who've
> > I've worked as teacher and participant. You've seen it first hand too
> > Damian,
> > being a valued collaborator and artist at the Medialab Madrid on more than
> > one
> > occassion.
> >
> > There's an excess of technical/creative talent in NZ. Recycle!
> >
> > A hacklab with:
> >
> >        - coffee machine
> >        - hard and soft knowledge archive (leverage FLOSSManuals)
> >        - strict open-source distribution and development models
> >        - working area with lockers
> >        - free code repositories for remote collaborations
> >        - Friday arvo "I'll tell you how I made this project" talks with
> >          a beer and concert chaser
> >
> > .. would be a great contribution.
> >
> > Take 'Grow Your Own MediaLab' as a good model for aquiring a basic
> > inventory vis
> > a vis Sheffield's Access Space; ie engineer a little guilt with a
> > corporation
> > like BNZ, convincing them to redirect the mandatory obsolescing of 20 PCs
> > and
> > give them a sponsor badge on your web site.
> >
> > Here's a template:
> >
> >        http://www.access-space.org/?c=recycling
> >
> > This is something I'd be tempted to sink my teeth into one day.
> >
> > >From what I see NZ seems to have overlooked this opportunity.. Rather, it
> > seems
> > a culture of individualism in art and curatorial interest is predominant,
> > even
> > at the artist-run-space level.
> >
> > Chairs,
> >
> > --
> > Julian Oliver
> > home: New Zealand
> > based: Berlin, Germany
> > currently: Berlin, Germany
> > about: http://julianoliver.com
> >
> > >
> > > Douglas Bagnall wrote:
> > > > So this one is really boring.  I mean, "Creative New Zealand Strategic
> > > > Plan" -- any one of these words would send you to sleep by itself.  I
> > > > won't be surprised if no-one answers.  Here's the link
> > > >
> > > >
> > http://www.creativenz.govt.nz/WhatWeDo/StrategicPlan/StrategicPlanPublicConsultation/tabid/4910/language/en-NZ/Default.aspx
> > > >
> > > > but don't look.  It's boring.  It is better that we have an uninformed
> > > > and interesting debate.  Supposing we did submit something, what should
> > > > we say?
> > > >
> > > > The obvious and expected tactic would be to notify them of our
> > > > unrecognised brilliance and diversity, of the exceptional art
> > > > experiences that we offer New Zealand and International Audiences, of
> > > > the warm glow they will feel from seeing our well-funded, important,
> > > > edgy work rise up on the world stage and represent the wise, culturally
> > > > aware, courageous CNZ.  But we will be cunning, and carefully frame it
> > > > in such a way that we don't look like greedy sycophants.  We don't like
> > > > money, but we will accept it for the good of the nation.  We will also
> > > > not mention that they are funding our rivals to make crap, nor that
> > they
> > > > are a bunch of conservative retards, nor anything else at all that
> > might
> > > > sound disparaging of bureaucrats or strategic plans.
> > > >
> > > > That would be expected, and it would probably be wise.  Perhaps
> > > > accurate.  But it also sets up the temptation to do the opposite, to
> > > > scream and yell, and let them know that they have no idea about
> > > > anything.  They are at best irrelevant, we'd say. They should disband
> > > > and give the money back to the paupers who bought lotto tickets.
> > > >
> > > > Then, of course, there's an expanse of middle ground, where we outline
> > > > the areas about which they have no clue, and try to tell them how they
> > > > could do better.  Most likely they would like to.  Which brings us back
> > > > to: what should they do, actually?
> > > >
> > > > Personally, I have few ideas at the moment.  That's mainly because it
> > is
> > > > one in the morning, but also because I haven't had much to do with them
> > > > for a while.  The paperwork is not worth it for the piddly amounts I
> > > > apply for: I do better just getting a job for the days that I would
> > > > spend writing proposals and aquittals, and I don't get bound up in the
> > > > kinds of idiotic commitments I put in funding proposals, nor do I have
> > > > to wait at the letterbox to know what I'll be doing over the next six
> > > > months.  But you lot will have ideas.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Douglas
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