hee, stella and i posted nearly simultaneously... thanks for a far more productive + less obviously grumpy post stella : )
On 5/10/2009, at 10:20 AM, Stella wrote: > hi, > as one of those fat-cat, non-hacker artists who's just deinstalled a > cnz-supported > >> for-sale, month-long solo-show somewhere in Ponsonby > > (actually, Starkwhite in Karangahape Road, but close enough! > (http://eyecontactartforum.blogspot.com/2009/09/between-culture-and-nature.html > > ) > ) I thought I might have something to contribute. I have to say, too, > that just because it is possible to buy something, doesn't mean it's a > likely prospect, or that the commercial artworld is entirely evil. > > This conversation seems to have a strand of hostility to stuff like > going to art school (one possible way of meeting other artists and > making better artwork). What we do have a healthy culture of in NZ is > artist-run spaces (None, Rm, A Centre For Art, Enjoy, Newcall, Gambia > Castle...), which often serve the studio and salon functions that > hackerspaces seem to be useful for. I guess the differences are > falling within the mainstream of contemporary art, and a lower level > of electricity use. Are there other distinctions? How different are > digital artists from other artists? > > Perhaps this preponderance of artist vs. hacker spaces has something > to do with the historical fact of CNZ not funding digital art > separately, whereas Australia used to have a pot labelled 'new > media'. This is one reason, perhaps, that digital practices in NZ > often exist within, say, a sound art/music or screen innovation realm, > and perhaps is also why this particular area seems more developed in > Australia (correct me, please, if I'm wrong). > > I agree that the area of public culture is something we don't > necessarily do very well at in NZ, and is something it would be great > to think of ways around improving. On the other hand, as Douglas > pointed out, collaborative environments are not productive for every > artist (I find them often really pleasant socially, but impossible to > get work done in). The idea of trying to work in a room full of > computers and other people fills me with dread, which is why Adam's > mention of Sarai was useful, because, although I've never been there, > it seems distant from that model. > >> I meet heaps of people in my travels that tell me they'd love to go >> to New Zealand, that ask about medialabs or residencies there. > > > Well of course! New Zealand has just been ranked in the world’s top > five best destinations by readers of prestigious Condé Nast Traveller > magazine for the sixth year running! > > The tenor of this conversation seems to be that 'this is something > that someone should provide for us because we'd like to use it', > rather than 'this is something I've found valuable, and would like to > help build... here's some thoughts on how. I'll do this bit...'. > > I think it would be useful to turn the conversation in this direction, > but also to recognise what already exists, like Makerspace in > Wellington (http://makerspace.org.nz), or the Audio Foundation > (www.audiofoundation.org.nz > ), working in a related realm. > > In terms of the actual lab stuff, in Auckland, there is Colab > (http://www.colab.org.nz > ), which, you can see by the extensive lineup of logos on the bottom > of the page is a project by AUT University and MIC (which receives by > far the largest wodges of public money for digital arts and "promotes > a dynamic and growing culture of interdisciplinary media-arts practice > in Auckland and New Zealand, supporting an environment of innovation, > in which fusion of art and technology is developed and > nurtured." (according to MIC's own website). > > Perhaps this might be a good place to point prospective visitors? > > best, > Stella > > > On 5/10/2009, at 4:45 AM, Julian Oliver wrote: > >> ..on Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 12:40:43AM +1300, Douglas Bagnall wrote: >>> >>>> that's what it means to me, and that's why i care, because i know >>>> there >>>> are other people back home dealing with the same shit i was >>>> dealing with >>>> in my head, and that since such a place would have helped me, it >>>> could >>>> help them too. >>> >>> >>> You know Damian, probably not. Young men, early twenties, feeling >>> isolated and confused, think they might be artists? There is >>> nothing >>> that can help them. >> >> Hehe. >> >> Well, people aren't annointed 'Artist' by some Divine Paintbrush at >> birth, >> bearing that mark with unbridled self-determination until death. >> Much of the >> time people find that they have made something that someone else >> considers 'Art' >> and as such are then called 'the artist'. The term only has value in >> the context >> of what's made, where and how it is read. >> >> I've taught "young men, early twenties, feeling isolated and >> confused" in >> workshops or university contexts in Europe, The Americas, Asia and >> Australia. >> I've found that all it often takes is just a little guidance and >> encouragement, >> some basic resources, documentation in their language, time and >> space and >> they're coming out with great work, 'Art' or not, in no time. Some >> of that work >> has gone on to do very well in the electronic art circuit. >> >> Good ideas are everywhere. Implementations are not. An advantage to >> a 'hacklab' >> (read: central working space, talks, tools, library, coffee machine >> and >> bandwidth) is that it provides direction and facilities to those >> still learning >> and/or making their minds up about where to take their ideas. >> >> Anyway, as I say, you know the weather in NZ better than I. The >> picture you >> paint is of a country of careerists too self-interested to publicly >> dissemenate >> skills and knowledge. If so, that's both boring and sad. >> >> No wonder media artists I know that've visited NZ return entirely >> lost as to why >> they couldn't find or connect with any local scene of makers. >> Perhaps that's >> because there just isn't one! >> >> Cheers, >> >> -- >> Julian Oliver >> home: New Zealand >> based: Berlin, Germany >> currently: Berlin, Germany >> about: http://julianoliver.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Ada_list mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://aotearoadigitalarts.org.nz/ > > _______________________________________________ > Ada_list mailing list > [email protected] > http://aotearoadigitalarts.org.nz/ This email may be confidential and subject to legal privilege, it may not reflect the views of the University of Canterbury, and it is not guaranteed to be virus free. If you are not an intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and erase all copies of the message and any attachments. 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