On 23.04.2015 14:50, Vladimir Andreev wrote: > 3.0 Goals of the Internet Registry System > > can be treated by a lot of ways. > > I (personally) doesn't find any prohibition in st. 3.0 to have many /22 per > LIR.
Number 3 after the _link_ not 3.0 (#51 anchor) Number 5.1 paragraph No.3 "The LIR must confirm it will make assignment(s) from the allocation." so the LIR opened and requesting the /22 only for selling does not fullfill the policy. Without a real assignment , the /22 may never be sold, as the LIR first need to fullfill his confirmation > > 23.04.2015, 15:39, "Opteamax GmbH" <[email protected]>: >> On 23.04.2015 14:31, Vladimir Andreev wrote: >>>> openig a bunch of LIR only for transfering their /22 V4 to another LIR >>>> is - and always was - abusing the policy. >>> Any links to documents proving it? >> >> https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-643#51 >> >> Number 3 >>>> but for me the way you are proposing to run a "business" is >>>> almost the same as the one of a guy selling stolen stuff ... >>> Such a comparison is incorrect. >> >> Maybe my comparison lacks do to difficulties translating into english: >> The guy selling the stuff does not (necessarily) know that the one he >> bought it from stole it. There are some of those shops, everybody know >> that they not ask where stuff comes from, but nobody can blame the >> shopowner ... >> >> Jens >>> 23.04.2015, 15:27, "Opteamax GmbH" <[email protected]>: >>>> Hello Gabriel, >>>> >>>> openig a bunch of LIR only for transfering their /22 V4 to another LIR >>>> is - and always was - abusing the policy. So you acutally don't want to >>>> speak against the change of Transfer-Policy but want to keep the >>>> backdoor open. >>>> >>>> So if you think the last /8 policy is not OK - where consensus was >>>> reached - you should stand up and make a change proposal for that. >>>> >>>> Knowing the way to bypass policy still does not mean, that it is >>>> fair/legal. IMHO LIRs which are willingly abusing policies shall get >>>> their entire resources withdrawn immediately, as they are not willing to >>>> be part of the community, so shall not profit from community. >>>> >>>> Sorry, but for me the way you are proposing to run a "business" is >>>> almost the same as the one of a guy selling stolen stuff ... >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Jens >>>> >>>> On 23.04.2015 14:05, Infinity Telecom SRL wrote: >>>>> Hello Gert, >>>>> >>>>> "at the transfer services" i saw sellers that want 17-20 USD per IP, >>>>> this is crazy, do you want forward ? >>>>> >>>>> Do you think this is a normal ? >>>>> >>>>> If right now they ask soo much even when they know someone like me can >>>>> open a new LIR an close after 1 year. >>>>> >>>>> What will happen when someone like me will open a LIR and pay 2 yrs >>>>> before to move the IPs to the old LIR >>>>> >>>>> I tell you what will happen, the sellers will put another 5-7 USD per >>>>> IP, for sure. >>>>> >>>>> Most of the guys that are pro this proposal have large blocks for >>>>> sell.. >>>>> >>>>> I dont have large blocks.. i want to keep my IPs and have more >>>>> resource.. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> /-- >>>>> Cu stima, >>>>> Gabriel Voitis | Sales Manager >>>>> /[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> /INFINITY TELECOM SRL | Bd-ul Iuliu Maniu nr 7, Corp A, Scara 2 >>>>> Mobil: +40 0725 677 477 | Tel: +40 021 7808805 | Fax: +40 021 >>>>> 7808806 >>>>> /[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> -- >>>> Opteamax GmbH - RIPE-Team >>>> Jens Ott >>>> >>>> Opteamax GmbH >>>> >>>> Simrockstr. 4b >>>> 53619 Rheinbreitbach >>>> >>>> Tel.: +49 2224 969500 >>>> Fax: +49 2224 97691059 >>>> Email: [email protected] >>>> >>>> HRB: 23144, Amtsgericht Montabaur >>>> Umsatzsteuer-ID.: DE264133989 >>> -- >>> With best regards, Vladimir Andreev >>> General director, QuickSoft LLC >>> Tel: +7 903 1750503 >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Opteamax GmbH - RIPE-Team >> Jens Ott >> >> Opteamax GmbH >> >> Simrockstr. 4b >> 53619 Rheinbreitbach >> >> Tel.: +49 2224 969500 >> Fax: +49 2224 97691059 >> Email: [email protected] >> >> HRB: 23144, Amtsgericht Montabaur >> Umsatzsteuer-ID.: DE264133989 > > -- > With best regards, Vladimir Andreev > General director, QuickSoft LLC > Tel: +7 903 1750503 > > !DSPAM:637,5538ed66295344115222871! > -- Opteamax GmbH - RIPE-Team Jens Ott Opteamax GmbH Simrockstr. 4b 53619 Rheinbreitbach Tel.: +49 2224 969500 Fax: +49 2224 97691059 Email: [email protected] HRB: 23144, Amtsgericht Montabaur Umsatzsteuer-ID.: DE264133989
