As variant: 1. I receive /22 2. I create 2 x inetnum with type ASSIGNED PA 3. I announced it for about 1 month 4. I sell it
Such way I fully correspond to 5.* statements. 23.04.2015, 15:54, "Opteamax GmbH" <[email protected]>: > On 23.04.2015 14:50, Vladimir Andreev wrote: >> 3.0 Goals of the Internet Registry System >> >> can be treated by a lot of ways. >> >> I (personally) doesn't find any prohibition in st. 3.0 to have many /22 per >> LIR. > > Number 3 after the _link_ not 3.0 (#51 anchor) > > Number 5.1 paragraph No.3 > > "The LIR must confirm it will make assignment(s) from the allocation." > > so the LIR opened and requesting the /22 only for selling does not > fullfill the policy. Without a real assignment , the /22 may never be > sold, as the LIR first need to fullfill his confirmation >> 23.04.2015, 15:39, "Opteamax GmbH" <[email protected]>: >>> On 23.04.2015 14:31, Vladimir Andreev wrote: >>>>> openig a bunch of LIR only for transfering their /22 V4 to another LIR >>>>> is - and always was - abusing the policy. >>>> Any links to documents proving it? >>> https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-643#51 >>> >>> Number 3 >>>>> but for me the way you are proposing to run a "business" is >>>>> almost the same as the one of a guy selling stolen stuff ... >>>> Such a comparison is incorrect. >>> Maybe my comparison lacks do to difficulties translating into english: >>> The guy selling the stuff does not (necessarily) know that the one he >>> bought it from stole it. There are some of those shops, everybody know >>> that they not ask where stuff comes from, but nobody can blame the >>> shopowner ... >>> >>> Jens >>>> 23.04.2015, 15:27, "Opteamax GmbH" <[email protected]>: >>>>> Hello Gabriel, >>>>> >>>>> openig a bunch of LIR only for transfering their /22 V4 to another LIR >>>>> is - and always was - abusing the policy. So you acutally don't want to >>>>> speak against the change of Transfer-Policy but want to keep the >>>>> backdoor open. >>>>> >>>>> So if you think the last /8 policy is not OK - where consensus was >>>>> reached - you should stand up and make a change proposal for that. >>>>> >>>>> Knowing the way to bypass policy still does not mean, that it is >>>>> fair/legal. IMHO LIRs which are willingly abusing policies shall get >>>>> their entire resources withdrawn immediately, as they are not willing >>>>> to >>>>> be part of the community, so shall not profit from community. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, but for me the way you are proposing to run a "business" is >>>>> almost the same as the one of a guy selling stolen stuff ... >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Jens >>>>> >>>>> On 23.04.2015 14:05, Infinity Telecom SRL wrote: >>>>>> Hello Gert, >>>>>> >>>>>> "at the transfer services" i saw sellers that want 17-20 USD per IP, >>>>>> this is crazy, do you want forward ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you think this is a normal ? >>>>>> >>>>>> If right now they ask soo much even when they know someone like me >>>>>> can >>>>>> open a new LIR an close after 1 year. >>>>>> >>>>>> What will happen when someone like me will open a LIR and pay 2 yrs >>>>>> before to move the IPs to the old LIR >>>>>> >>>>>> I tell you what will happen, the sellers will put another 5-7 USD >>>>>> per >>>>>> IP, for sure. >>>>>> >>>>>> Most of the guys that are pro this proposal have large blocks for >>>>>> sell.. >>>>>> >>>>>> I dont have large blocks.. i want to keep my IPs and have more >>>>>> resource.. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> /-- >>>>>> Cu stima, >>>>>> Gabriel Voitis | Sales Manager >>>>>> /[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> /INFINITY TELECOM SRL | Bd-ul Iuliu Maniu nr 7, Corp A, Scara 2 >>>>>> Mobil: +40 0725 677 477 | Tel: +40 021 7808805 | Fax: +40 021 >>>>>> 7808806 >>>>>> /[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> -- >>>>> Opteamax GmbH - RIPE-Team >>>>> Jens Ott >>>>> >>>>> Opteamax GmbH >>>>> >>>>> Simrockstr. 4b >>>>> 53619 Rheinbreitbach >>>>> >>>>> Tel.: +49 2224 969500 >>>>> Fax: +49 2224 97691059 >>>>> Email: [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> HRB: 23144, Amtsgericht Montabaur >>>>> Umsatzsteuer-ID.: DE264133989 >>>> -- >>>> With best regards, Vladimir Andreev >>>> General director, QuickSoft LLC >>>> Tel: +7 903 1750503 >>> -- >>> Opteamax GmbH - RIPE-Team >>> Jens Ott >>> >>> Opteamax GmbH >>> >>> Simrockstr. 4b >>> 53619 Rheinbreitbach >>> >>> Tel.: +49 2224 969500 >>> Fax: +49 2224 97691059 >>> Email: [email protected] >>> >>> HRB: 23144, Amtsgericht Montabaur >>> Umsatzsteuer-ID.: DE264133989 >> -- >> With best regards, Vladimir Andreev >> General director, QuickSoft LLC >> Tel: +7 903 1750503 >> >> !DSPAM:637,5538ed66295344115222871! > > -- > Opteamax GmbH - RIPE-Team > Jens Ott > > Opteamax GmbH > > Simrockstr. 4b > 53619 Rheinbreitbach > > Tel.: +49 2224 969500 > Fax: +49 2224 97691059 > Email: [email protected] > > HRB: 23144, Amtsgericht Montabaur > Umsatzsteuer-ID.: DE264133989 -- With best regards, Vladimir Andreev General director, QuickSoft LLC Tel: +7 903 1750503
