I think it's telling that Kate and William agree that Miller had a 
"good/workable" definition of art, but neither tries to say what it was. Here's 
a 
potentially interesting drill: Each of the listers describes his/her notion of 
Miller's definition of 'mark' -- without trying to look up in the archive 
what Miller said. I'd expect there to be immense variation in their notions,  
 and yet they'd all think they are talking "about" the "same" notion.

When Mando was brave enough to try this:

" Is mark the essence of a style of each artist?"

-- Kate cleared things up for him:

"No, a mark is a mark."

Earlier, I quoted Orwell using 'mark' in his comment on Dickens. "The 
outstanding, unmistakable mark of Dickens's writing is the unnecessary detail." 
The usage conforms somewhat to Mando's thinking -- i.e. it seems to dodge 
asserting that the "unnecessary detail" is something Orwell might or might not 
call the "essence" of Dickens's style, in favor of conveying that it's, 
let's call it, an "indicator", "evidence of the presence of".

But I think Orwell had something more in mind than just "the conclusive 
clue that this writing is by Dickens". Orwell also had approval in mind -- not 
approval of all "unnecessary touches" in all writing, but the singular 
felicitous impact of their use by Dickens. 

I don't know what Miller's definition of 'mark' was, or the notion in the 
mind of any other lister except perhaps Mando. This leaves me ignorant -- but 
smart enough to discern the likelihood of unjustified assumptions by 
listers that they are "all talking about the the same thing. (i.e. all have a 
serviceably identical notion in mind when they use the word 'mark'.)



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