Cheerskep.  Alright, I accept the criticism. But it's impossible to avoid the 
'reification of abstraction' when making generalized comments about culture or, 
in the case at hand, capitalism.  There will always be exceptions to any 
generalization and usually they are assumed. What counts is not the presence of 
exceptions but whether or not any of them are fatal, or game changers.

The supposed benefit of capitalism is that it is construed as amoral. Only the 
market counts.  Good and bad actions may be intermingled with purely capitalist 
actions but for pure operation of capitalism they should be excluded simply 
because they are relative and usually serve someones self-interest and the 
expense of another's.  For example fracking has become a hot-button issue and 
those on either side bring up its moral implications.  Fracking will produce 
income and jobs, aid the economy for the common good, etc., but it may also 
harm 
the environment, and abuse the 'rights' of people to a enjoy a safe 
environment. 
 If the issue is looked at from pure capitalist perspective, it is a matter of 
return on investment and the general notion is that if there is profit then 
it's 
ultimately a good.

I'm a clear case of the suspicious capitalist.  I have investments and I seek 
profits. I don't do very well at it.   I have always been a member of the 
so-called management class in any full-time employment (beyond school day 
jobs). 
 I have never belonged to a union or was ever a piece-worker, etc. I have hired 
employees.  But I'm not a socialist proper by any means.  I do think capital 
tends to pool up and ultimately dam up any dispersion.  It needs effective 
policy to ensure spreading it out, not only to avoid excessive pooling but to 
'water' the surrounding terrain, as it were.  One important function of the 
State is to fairly disperse capital away from the centralizing pools.  It's 
common sense.  Adam Smith said it would happen naturally because people are 
always trying to attract capital to new empty pools and that takes capital away 
from the big pools already filled.   Those  natural workings were to him the 
'invisible hand' that keeps fair play desirable...and moral.

That does work to the large extent and your business was clearly an example.  
It 
was in your self-interest to treat others fairly and yet to explore new 'pools' 
where you could direct capital for hopeful profit.  When it no longer works we 
find huge pools of excessive capital that is not being dispersed to 'water' 
other areas where capital is needed.   Right now we are aware of big 
corporations that are holding onto big profits and not dispersing capital in 
the 
way of new expansion, jobs, etc, simply because of their political aims to 
further self-interest at the expense of the larger society.  The same could be 
said about those who amass huge fortunes of billions of dollars, far more than 
they can ever spend to satisfy any self-oriented goal of life, liberty, and the 
pursuit of happiness.  Their excess wealth could be dispersed to everyone's 
benefit, even their own.

My totally unscientific formula is that anyone is entitled to have a fortune of 
10 million dollars in personal wealth.  Above that, 100% tax or compulsory 
charity giving.

What do greed-oriented purely amoral capitalists think will happen in a society 
when, say 100 million people are destitute and underemployed, uninsured, 
without 
hope and being told what to do and being surveilled day and night (for obvious 
intimidation)?  They will do what they always do in those situations. Revolt 
with passion and unmitigated murderous rage.  It is now happening all over the 
world in unstable regions where wealth has pooled to obscene levels among a 
few. 
 It can easily happen in America, too.  No society has ever withstood the gross 
divisions of haves and have-nots.  No society has ever before had the 
technology 
now easily available to  the dispossessed to organize destructive actions.  

Capitalism that does not always aim to improve the lot of the many instead of 
just the few is evil. 


----- Original Message ----
From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wed, August 22, 2012 11:16:53 AM
Subject: Re: Subjective - Objective

I have to admit you're beyond me in much of what you've thought about in
this subject, William. For example, I'm not familiar with Adam Smith's
"Invisible Hand"; and the distinction between equality of "condition" and of
"opportunity" is far from clear to me.

Still, what I can see is that you tend to announce condemnations based on
what philosophers call the "reification of abstractions", and an assumption
of uniformity of performance within that imaginary entity. I'll give two
examples.

You say: "America has come to despise the old fashioned sense of morality
and ethics, the real and visible hand, when it comes to the implementation of
capitalist economics. Now it's proper to only follow the money, care about
the money, ignore values that any society needs, and claim that unfettered
self-interest is the only true and impartial way to manage wealth."

When I first began to go abroad I was startled, aghast, and then angered by
the assumption that "America" was a single, monolithic, homogeneous thing.
Our publishing house had an author who regularly began observations with,
"Like all Americans, youb&"  She was a "successful" author, with large sales
that were important to us because we were a small house just beginning to
grow. It would hurt us financially if I were to alienate her.   Nevertheless I
wrote her, "Some Americans are smart and some are dumb, some are educated and
some are ignorant, some vicious and some virtuous, some bigots and some
devoted to human rights. The one thing we aren't is ALIKE."

I reject assertions that begin, "America has come tob&", and I deny that any
of the accusations in your paragraph above describe the way our capitalist
publishing house did business. We rejected potentially profitable books we
felt were "morally" deleterious, and we went ahead with the publication of
books we were "warned" would bring dire repercussions upon us.   And we
certainly published books we felt deserved publication but which we knew would
lose money.   Once, we sold the Japanese language rights of one of our books
to
a Tokyo publisher, and we sent the authors their share of the advance.
Three years later, that house sent us a large check for additional
royalty-earnings.   But by then the writers had split up and effectively
disappeared. We
took righteous pleasure in tracking them down so we could send them their
share.

Over time, as I came to understand our complicated industry-standard
author-contracts more, I revised ours. I concede I took delight in watching
agents
squinting at the revisions, working to discern what new advantage I was
trying to sneak in. In fact the revisions were largely devoted to eliminating
contractually allowed intricate devices a publisher might cunningly use -- to
the great detriment of authors.

Throughout those years we, largely unprompted, increased the benefits to
our employees.

In sum, your assertion, "America has come to despise the old fashioned
sense of morality and ethics," is false and nasty.

The second example of reification I deny is this:

"The inherent concept of capitalism ignores and actually discredits that
idea of an overarching morality."

There is no "THE inherent concept of capitalism". Whenever any speaker
starts out saying, "I am now going talk about THE concept ofb&" you can know
he
is going to be wrong. Just think of how many "concepts" of "art" this forum
has heard. None was THE concept, because (claim I) concepts are mental
entities, and they are as various as the mental apparatuses and assorted
experiences of the people who entertain them.

To insinuate that all "capitalists" are the same is flatly wrong.

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